Why was Mayweather held to such standards from certain posters?

Lots of reasons. Although when you run around proclaiming yourself TBE you should expect people to look at your claim critically. http://e1.365dm.com/15/03/768x432/floyd-mayweather-welterweight-tbe_3280557.jpg?20150322161031

are you f#cking joking :lol1? getting old, perhaps :D? bob foster archie moore floyd patterson joe frazier and arguably sonny liston, though i'd probably be unlikely to indlude him in the top 100 if i ever hashed one out. Floyd Patterson an ATG :lol1: That's a laugh. Frazier most definitely not an ATG. Archie Moore obviously an ATG but why bother including him for Ali? Foster arguably an ATG, same scenario as above.

Ok? Leonard beat Duran twice and Hearns once and a controversial draw much like Ali's controversial 3 fights with Norton. And yes, outside of those NAMES, Kalule is better than most, if not all of those names. Who's really better? Jimmy Ellis and Lyle could maybe be argued but not really. Chuvalo, Cooper, Foster, Quarry? No. Heavyweight was a more popular divison than Welterweight. Don't see the relevance to the discussion there. Benitez is the only one that's not a Top 50 ATG (arguable), the only fighter Ali beat who's arguable an ATG at all is Foreman. are you f#cking joking :lol1? getting old, perhaps :D? bob foster archie moore floyd patterson joe frazier and arguably sonny liston, though i'd probably be unlikely to indlude him in the top 100 if i ever hashed one out.

also, do you really think wilfred benitez is a top 50 all time great? accomplished and great fighter, sure, but top 50? i typically don't see him in a solid top 50 list. What's a solid top 50 list to you?

duran's a much, much higher ranked fighter than frazier. i'm not going to speculate on whether he's "half" the great duran was, as it's not all that productive. but was he in shape and prepared when he fought ray leonard in the rematch? it's well documented that he didn't train pariticularly hard, and that he ate his way to 190ish lbs between the two fights, which were only 4-5 months apart. And I suppose Frazier was at his best for the 2nd and 3rd Ali fights and Liston was at his best for either of the Ali fights?

you're counting names, not wins. ali beat frazier 2x, liston 2x, norton 2x, foreman. that's 7 fights. so no, kalule is not a better win than whichever win you place as 5th best on that list. at least, you're not going to get a lot of people who agree with you. the kalule win doesn't separate itself much over the "pack" of contenders that ali beat. and when you consider that he lined them up basically for 2 decades, back to back, and leonard spent a lot of time retired, i don't think the disucussion needs to be carried on much further. again, 154 was still a transitionary, young weight class at the time of leonard / kalule's career, and HW boxing was arguably the most popular sport in the states during ali's. Ok? Leonard beat Duran twice and Hearns once and a controversial draw much like Ali's controversial 3 fights with Norton. And yes, outside of those NAMES, Kalule is better than most, if not all of those names. Who's really better? Jimmy Ellis and Lyle could maybe be argued but not really. Chuvalo, Cooper, Foster, Quarry? No. Heavyweight was a more popular divison than Welterweight. Don't see the relevance to the discussion there. Benitez is the only one that's not a Top 50 ATG (arguable), the only fighter Ali beat who's arguable an ATG at all is Foreman.

Do you honestly think Joe Frazier is half the fighter Roberto Duran is P4P??? duran's a much, much higher ranked fighter than frazier. i'm not going to speculate on whether he's "half" the great duran was, as it's not all that productive. but was he in shape and prepared when he fought ray leonard in the rematch? it's well documented that he didn't train pariticularly hard, and that he ate his way to 190ish lbs between the two fights, which were only 4-5 months apart.

Bottom line, Manny Was still the second best welterweight in the world and he beat the #3 P4P fighter in the world only a year before he fought Floyd and a year after he fought Floyd. Manny indeed didn't look like he did in 2009, but Floyd wasn't same either! they were both well past it and Floyd looked like crap in his 2 fights against Maidana, a guy he was supposed to easily beat, in both Maidana fights we saw Floyd miss with a lot of his punches, we saw him get hit with silly stuff, we saw him fatigue, we saw him hold more than any other fight in his whole career, etc....., Floyd's last great performance was in 2013 against Canelo, Pacquiao had 2 very good performances in 2014 against 2 champs and one last great performance in 2016 after he fought Floyd. Floyd beating Manny in 2015 is a huge accomplishment and it shouldn't be diminished by the delay due to the fact that both fighters aged and it is pretty obvious that both were almost equally past their best, difference is Floyd didn't get KOed in a fight he was easily dominating because he got reckless, Manny getting KOed by Marquez is btw NOT a sign of him deteriorating, his speed and skills were in point that night, he just got reckless and paid for it, and stop wit the " oh he became scared of getting hit after he got KOed" excuse since he threw almost 600 Punches against Bradley and 700 against Algieri. he threw almost 2/3 of that against Floyd just like all other Floyd's opponents. you're welcome to any opinion you'd like, but i think the bold is completely inappropriate. manny was a former flyweight fighting much larger men with a style that didn't lend itself to a prolongd career. he took punches in victory and defeat, and FFS the guy was a world class professional as a flyweight. he's small, probably had serious trouble making weight in those days, and that takes a huge toll on your body. \ he was on a completely different level in terms of how far he had slid. you're welcome to present any case that you'd like to try and convince me otherwise, but i don't think you'll have much success. manny was still high ranked but he had slipped immeasurably both physically and also mentally. career as a high level politician very obvious lack of a killer instinct in contrast to early stages in his career. troubles training with cramps, lower body issues, a shoulder that was obviously not fully blown out the way they try and tell you, but that was probably giving him problems / a nagging injury. and manny wasn't dominating the 4th marquez fight. he was dropped hard and badly hurt, and there was a give and take even if i'd agree that manny was looking better at the time of the stopapge. he had looked old and lost on any reasonable card to marquez in 2011. 2011 was a long, long time ago, and manny had been on the slide the entire time.

Americans in general will be held to a higher standard because of that Rich History in boxing that America have. Other countries don't have that history so their is no STANDARD and their is no BAR Following Ray Leonard foot steps as that next great Welterweight should be a tough act to follow, same with Ali as a Heavyweight same with Hagler at Middleweight. So yeah the International Guys don't get the same high expectations because most of them are the Trailblazers for their Country so it is no standard or bar set for them yet. However when it comes to the Americans, that bar is always going to be high and basically unrealistic because all of the greatness that was already seen

classic tactic of a fanboy to believe anybody who disagrees is a fanboy of the opposing party. i went to floyd - canelo, FFS, and i wasn't there to watch the red headed kid. cost me a lot of money, and was one of the more fulfilling experiences of my life. shoulder doe :lol1: and manny never struggled with tim bradley. and he was badly depleted, damn near retirement, when floyd finally stopped crapping on the fight. both sides delayted that fight. their careers / movement by the end were essentially a promotion towards that fight. if you disagree with that you're a fanboy. and yes, manny was much, much more deteriorated than floyd. again, refuse to believe that and you're a fanboy with no business evaluating the level of deterioration in a fighter. not saying floyd was 25 and prime, only that any swinging dick worth his salt can tell you that manny's career had taken a greater toll, and that he was more shopworn. he'd been out cold against marquez, and visibly slowing and losing his edge for years to any trained eye. Bottom line, Manny Was still the second best welterweight in the world and he beat the #3 P4P fighter in the world only a year before he fought Floyd and a year after he fought Floyd. Manny indeed didn't look like he did in 2009, but Floyd wasn't same either! they were both well past it and Floyd looked like crap in his 2 fights against Maidana, a guy he was supposed to easily beat, in both Maidana fights we saw Floyd miss with a lot of his punches, we saw him get hit with silly stuff, we saw him fatigue, we saw him hold more than any other fight in his whole career, etc....., Floyd's last great performance was in 2013 against Canelo, Pacquiao had 2 very good performances in 2014 against 2 champs and one last great performance in 2016 after he fought Floyd. Floyd beating Manny in 2015 is a huge accomplishment and it shouldn't be diminished by the delay due to the fact that both fighters aged and it is pretty obvious that both were almost equally past their best, difference is Floyd didn't get KOed in a fight he was easily dominating because he got reckless, Manny getting KOed by Marquez is btw NOT a sign of him deteriorating, his speed and skills were in point that night, he just got reckless and paid for it, and stop wit the " oh he became scared of getting hit after he got KOed" excuse since he threw almost 600 Punches against Bradley and 700 against Algieri. he threw almost 2/3 of that against Floyd just like all other Floyd's opponents.

also, do you really think wilfred benitez is a top 50 all time great? accomplished and great fighter, sure, but top 50? i typically don't see him in a solid top 50 list. Do you honestly think Joe Frazier is half the fighter Roberto Duran is P4P???

also, do you really think wilfred benitez is a top 50 all time great? accomplished and great fighter, sure, but top 50? i typically don't see him in a solid top 50 list.

You can also argue that Ali wasn't the fighter of either decade whereas it's pretty hard to argue Leonard wasn't the fighter of the 80's. Leonard's best wins are better then Ali's best wins though. Foreman Frazier Liston and Norton aren't even close to Duran, Hearns, Hagler and Benitez. The latter 4 are ATG's, most of which Top 50. Ali's got the quantity, but quantity doesn't always mean better. Loads of people have quantity over Leonard but what Leonard has is probably the most quality packed into a small resume in the history of the sport. How many fighters have 4 top 50 ATG's on their resume and 3 in their prime? Not many. Plus, we're including names like Foster, Chuvalo, Moore, Cooper etc who are hardly exceptional wins. Kalule is a better win than any of Ali's outside of the top 4. Either way both Ali and Leonard are around the Top 10-15 mark for me. you're counting names, not wins. ali beat frazier 2x, liston 2x, norton 2x, foreman. that's 7 fights. so no, kalule is not a better win than whichever win you place as 5th best on that list. at least, you're not going to get a lot of people who agree with you. the kalule win doesn't separate itself much over the "pack" of contenders that ali beat. and when you consider that he lined them up basically for 2 decades, back to back, and leonard spent a lot of time retired, i don't think the disucussion needs to be carried on much further. again, 154 was still a transitionary, young weight class at the time of leonard / kalule's career, and HW boxing was arguably the most popular sport in the states during ali's.

Larry sees that GGG is dominating the boards so he decides to make a bumweather thread and give him shine with a topic that he has posted like a million times already. Great job Larry. Why don't you update us on your kids instead of this crap

you'll be basically the only person at any reasonable, objective table arguing that ray leonard's resume is better than ali's :lol1:. he beat liston twice. frazier twice. norton twice. ali lost to frazier in arguably his biggest fight, and leonard lost to duran in his biggest. leonard's resume drops right off, and your post actually alludes to that. it's really only when you take the exact slice you've taken of their resumes when they're comparable in any capacity :lol1:. ali was a physical phenom in the 60's, and in the 70's he'd slowed and was vulnerable, but he still went through an ungodly run of tough fights basically in succession. leonard just didn't fight long enough to pile up accomplishments that can compare to ali's. you can argue that ali is the best fighter of either decade, though i might shade duran in the 70's. You can also argue that Ali wasn't the fighter of either decade whereas it's pretty hard to argue Leonard wasn't the fighter of the 80's. Leonard's best wins are better then Ali's best wins though. Foreman Frazier Liston and Norton aren't even close to Duran, Hearns, Hagler and Benitez. The latter 4 are ATG's, most of which Top 50. Ali's got the quantity, but quantity doesn't always mean better. Loads of people have quantity over Leonard but what Leonard has is probably the most quality packed into a small resume in the history of the sport. How many fighters have 4 top 50 ATG's on their resume and 3 in their prime? Not many. Plus, we're including names like Foster, Chuvalo, Moore, Cooper etc who are hardly exceptional wins. Kalule is a better win than any of Ali's outside of the top 4. Either way both Ali and Leonard are around the Top 10-15 mark for me.

Leonard's Wins over Hearns, Duran, Benitez and Hagler are better than Ali's four best wins. Why do you take it personal? Do you know Muhammad Ali? Ali endorsed Leonard and Tyson..why wouldn't he like Floyd? Pacquiao Maidana Cotto Mosley Marquez Hatton De La Hoya Castillo Corrales Hernandez The fact you try to insult that resume is pathetic take it personal? the first thing you said to me was that i was being nostalgic and ranting :lol1: not exactly the friendliest connotation. never once have i "insulted" floyd mayweather's rsume. so don't get your panties twisted :lol1: i am a floyd mayweather fan. paid a lot of money to see him fight. i'm just realistic, practical, and i call fanboyism when i see it. and the guys who are in every mayweeather trhead supporting him are the fanboys, and the guys who go case by case and fighter by fighter, like myself, are objective.

Yet he beat down Bradley a year later, Bradley btw is the same guy Pacquiao struggled with in 2012 when he was supposedly in his prime while Bradley was fighting for the first time at 147. Hopefully you don't start with the shoulder excuse now. classic tactic of a fanboy to believe anybody who disagrees is a fanboy of the opposing party. i went to floyd - canelo, FFS, and i wasn't there to watch the red headed kid. cost me a lot of money, and was one of the more fulfilling experiences of my life. shoulder doe :lol1: and manny never struggled with tim bradley. and he was badly depleted, damn near retirement, when floyd finally stopped crapping on the fight. both sides delayted that fight. their careers / movement by the end were essentially a promotion towards that fight. if you disagree with that you're a fanboy. and yes, manny was much, much more deteriorated than floyd. again, refuse to believe that and you're a fanboy with no business evaluating the level of deterioration in a fighter. not saying floyd was 25 and prime, only that any swinging dick worth his salt can tell you that manny's career had taken a greater toll, and that he was more shopworn. he'd been out cold against marquez, and visibly slowing and losing his edge for years to any trained eye.

IMO you could easily argue Leonard has the better resume. Aging Liston Frazier Foreman Norton Aging Hagler Duran Hearns Benitez Which four are better? In my eyes clearly Leonard's. Ali has more fights and thus more depth but the quality goes with Leonard IMO. you'll be basically the only person at any reasonable, objective table arguing that ray leonard's resume is better than ali's :lol1:. he beat liston twice. frazier twice. norton twice. ali lost to frazier in arguably his biggest fight, and leonard lost to duran in his biggest. leonard's resume drops right off, and your post actually alludes to that. it's really only when you take the exact slice you've taken of their resumes when they're comparable in any capacity :lol1:. ali was a physical phenom in the 60's, and in the 70's he'd slowed and was vulnerable, but he still went through an ungodly run of tough fights basically in succession. leonard just didn't fight long enough to pile up accomplishments that can compare to ali's. you can argue that ali is the best fighter of either decade, though i might shade duran in the 70's.

Yet he beat down Bradley a year later, Bradley btw is the same guy Pacquiao struggled with in 2012 when he was supposedly in his prime while Bradley was fighting for the first time at 147. Hopefully you don't start with the shoulder excuse now. Their arguments pretend Mayweather was ageless while everyone around him got old or fell off. There will always be an excuse and you can't blame them. It's human nature. Look at the the list of accomplishments people have raised in this thread: A 19-year career where he was champion for nearly 18 of them. Won titles in five divisions, beating 22 past or present champions without tasting defeat. Was the world's best fighter up until his retirement, closing out the last 10 years of his career facing a current champ in damn near every fight. The list of names on his dossier are insane. If everyone was held to the standards Mayweather is held to -- apparently, calling himself the Greatest not after winning his first title but about 15 years into an ATG career is a reason? -- then they'd have to admit he deserves the least scrutiny and the most plaudits. There you have it.

lol at the same 15-20 dudes supporting mayweather in virtually ever scenario and every thread acting like they are objective. nobody is fooled! how can you take the bscene money team seriously when they side with floyd mayweather in every scenario like a f#cking yesman, or a cheerleader. it's the subjectivity that has made this place toxic. some of the people in this thread think floyd is a top 5 ALL TIME fighter. to somebody who doesn't think you're a top 5 all timer, don't you think calling yourself TBE might rub you the wrong way? doesn't it sound disrespectful to the other men who have boxed before? at the very least you're not in the wrong for getting a bad taste in your mouth when a boxer starts to call HIMSELF TBE. ali called himself the greatest of all time, but he went out and cemented a legacy as arguably the toughest matched fighter of all time, and his brain and body stopped working. also, if you think ali wasn't "held to a certain standard" or let's put it more planly "discriminated against," you just aren't familiar with the era. floyd calls himself TBE. but it's health first. but boxing is a business. we fight for a prize, dummy. but i did everything in my power not to fight manny until he was clearly on the downside. don't you see why some people might be rubbed the wrong way? i'm saying not that it needs to rub you the wrong way, but i am saying that you're a fanboy if you don't at least acknowledge the potential for a reasonable, objective fan to be rubbed the wrong way by a fighter who isn't the greatest of all time and claims that he is. the fanboyism on bscene has to stop. floyd mayweather is not the best fighter of all time. i can't take 90% of this board seriously any more. Yet he beat down Bradley a year later, Bradley btw is the same guy Pacquiao struggled with in 2012 when he was supposedly in his prime while Bradley was fighting for the first time at 147. Hopefully you don't start with the shoulder excuse now.