Ok Canelo just shook the boxing world by vacating the belt. Is it a good look for him? no even coming from a big Canelo fan. Call me crazy but its part of selling this fight to make it bigger. If you look at what mayweather did to become such a huge PPV star wasnt just on his boxing skills alone.
Mayweather became the villain of boxing. Controversy sells! Open your eyes Canelo isnt scared to fight GGG thats not true at all. Canelo is taking a page out of Mayweather, Trump type of controversy . If you notice this got so much headlines everywhere and got everyone talking about this fight and making everyone want to see it that much more!
Canelo will become the villain in this fight and this was his first step in doing so... dont worry boxing heads the fight will happen..
To be honest, I just think the WBC was trying to get too involved and Canelo didn't like it. I'm still the confident that the fight gets made for either this September or next May
you're not seeing the whole picture... Mayweather acting like he was scared of pacquiao all these years. that what canelo is doing . tjheres no such thing as bad publicity
floyd acting like he was scared of pacquiao? floyd asked for a drug test and pacquiao refused this situation is nothing like that
what im trying to tell you is that canelo doesnt have what it takes to "get people to dislike you". 99.9% of his fan base is from mexico. and the .1% such as yourself is defending this move. so again, how can he get people to dislike him?
so wrong . id say up to 40% is from US
I agree with you 100% EL -Blanco.
People really underestimate how important being the best is when it comes to viewership. It's why people watch djokavic in tennis, used to watch tiger in golf, and currently watch Lebron and curry. People want to watch the best in anything even if they don't regularly follow the sport. That was a big part of Floyd's success along with the other things I mentioned. Canelo just isn't in a position to capitalize on any of the things that made Floyd a star.
He beat de la Hoya and is/was the best boxer. Add in the fact that he has a polarizing personality and it was a recipe for success. Canelo has none of those wins or attributes.
1. He has no big name victory.
2. He is not the best.
3. He has no personality.
Mayweather and Canelo are two totally different commodities. You can't look at what one did and think it will work for the other. Nor should you assume that's their new angle. What they did has no spin. They just didn't want to fight golovkin at the moment and possibly ever. There is no long game and it won't garner any further interest by pulling this move. This will actually hurt him in the short term because people are disgusted by his actions.
I agree with you 100% EL -Blanco.
my point is still that is not about what fans like. Haters will still contribute to the PPV i can guarantee you that. if you look at canelos page hes got people left and right calling him a coward and chicken etc. You dont think he knew that this was gonna happen? he knew this was a bad look and some people would turn against him. Now those people will tune in this fight when it happens evenmore so than before. Bottom line they are doing what they think will sell the fight. Its all greed all the moves are calculated
you don't understand haters dude. When you are great and people pretend otherwise, those are haters. They watch all the time because deep down they know how great you are. You have to be polarizing to have haters
Canelo is not great, he isn't polarizing and doesn't have haters like Floyd. People are just disgusted with what he did. They are so disgusted that they will not buy the fight unless its GGG-that doesn't improve Canelo's negotiating position.
I think the opposite could happen with fans turning away and not buying the GGG fight, but I could be wrong.
Maybe Canelo isn't personally afraid to fight him, i don't think many fighters are afraid to fight other fighters, but this is a huge business and he's Golden Boy's only big money fighter they have left. They're trying their hardest to make him the face of boxing. They already got him schooled by Floyd and had to rebuild a bit. The last thing they want is the possibility of him laid out on the canvas aired across the world anytime soon.
Canelo could want the fight and scream for it until he's blue in the face, Golden Boy still won't put their only cash cow in there with GGG now. That's why Oscar has been talking about "marinating" stuff like he's Gordon Ramsay. Although i suspect Canelo isn't that keen on it either. It's not happening anytime soon either way, let's just forget about it.
He beat de la Hoya and is/was the best boxer. Add in the fact that he has a polarizing personality and it was a recipe for success. Canelo has none of those wins or attributes.
1. He has no big name victory.
2. He is not the best.
3. He has no personality.
Mayweather and Canelo are two totally different commodities. You can't look at what one did and think it will work for the other. Nor should you assume that's their new angle. What they did has no spin. They just didn't want to fight golovkin at the moment and possibly ever. There is no long game and it won't garner any further interest by pulling this move. This will actually hurt him in the short term because people are disgusted by his actions.
Like it or not Canelo is the biggest name in boxing right now. He doesnt have to have to biggest names or biggest wins. the boxing world is focused on every move he does right now. If you dont think every move De la hoya makes is for making this fight bigger idk what to tell you cause in the end boxing is a business and they will do what they must to fill their pockets. Remember that crowd and group that has been calling canelo a coward for ducking GGG just doubled in size and guess what they will be spending their hard earned cash just as well as the loyal fans will for this fight. more $$$$ more PPV buys bottom line
Manny fans were convinced he was scared. Media guys that hated Floyd and ESPN clowns like dan and skip bayless acted like he was scared. Any real person with common sense didn't think that.
Again, Mayweather developed that role against the biggest name in the sport on a TV show dedicated to their fight. That isn't the situation here, Canelo vacated the belt INSTEAD of signing to fight.
Floyd flossed, and cussed and insulted people. He had 50 Cent with him who was the Uber gangster of the day and a pop culture phenom. casual fans love the gangster image floyd was putting on. They don't love what Canelo just did.
I get you like Canelo and are thinking out of the box. But really dude, the situations are nothing alike. If you think otherwise, so be it.
my point is still that is not about what fans like. Haters will still contribute to the PPV i can guarantee you that. if you look at canelos page hes got people left and right calling him a coward and chicken etc. You dont think he knew that this was gonna happen? he knew this was a bad look and some people would turn against him. Now those people will tune in this fight when it happens evenmore so than before. Bottom line they are doing what they think will sell the fight. Its all greed all the moves are calculated
Tell me why did Mayweather become a PPV star?
He beat de la Hoya and is/was the best boxer. Add in the fact that he has a polarizing personality and it was a recipe for success. Canelo has none of those wins or attributes.
1. He has no big name victory.
2. He is not the best.
3. He has no personality.
Mayweather and Canelo are two totally different commodities. You can't look at what one did and think it will work for the other. Nor should you assume that's their new angle. What they did has no spin. They just didn't want to fight golovkin at the moment and possibly ever. There is no long game and it won't garner any further interest by pulling this move. This will actually hurt him in the short term because people are disgusted by his actions.
That right there shows me you live in a bubble. Floyd fans never thought he was afraid of Manny and would beat him. Manny fans never thought he was afraid of Floyd and would beat him. Canelo fans suspected he was afraid of GGG and wasn't sure he could beat him. Well he proved he's afraid of him so that also answers the second question.
the point is that there are more haters than fans! Haters will buy the fight! haters are still putting moeny in his pocket. Floyd knew this so its much eaiser to have haters than fans. Especially if you're good at being a ****y rich loudmouth boxer
That right there shows me you live in a bubble. Floyd fans never thought he was afraid of Manny and would beat him. Manny fans never thought he was afraid of Floyd and would beat him. Canelo fans suspected he was afraid of GGG and wasn't sure he could beat him. Well he proved he's afraid of him so that also answers the second question.
good point right here. canelo just confirmed what most of us have posted for the last year.
Thats the reason why they are doing it. Step back and think a bit. What i was trying to say is those 5 years people were convinced floyd was scared to fight pacquiao. he played the villain role and Most people (casual fans) wanted to see Mayweather get knocked out. thats what really sold that fight. Now Canelo is putting up the same front as mayweather did making it look like he's avoiding this fight at all costs so people will tune in just like they did mayweathers fight and now the PPv will become 1.8 million buys instead of 850K- 1M buys. Im not saying they will be successful in doing this but this is the reason for this. Its all about the PPV numbers and they will do whatever it takes
Manny fans were convinced he was scared. Media guys that hated Floyd and ESPN clowns like dan and skip bayless acted like he was scared. Any real person with common sense didn't think that.
Again, Mayweather developed that role against the biggest name in the sport on a TV show dedicated to their fight. That isn't the situation here, Canelo vacated the belt INSTEAD of signing to fight.
Floyd flossed, and cussed and insulted people. He had 50 Cent with him who was the Uber gangster of the day and a pop culture phenom. casual fans love the gangster image floyd was putting on. They don't love what Canelo just did.
I get you like Canelo and are thinking out of the box. But really dude, the situations are nothing alike. If you think otherwise, so be it.
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think about it larryx you're one of the biggest Mayweather fans i know . There were more mayweather haters than fans. Both tuned in for different reasons. How long did pacman fans call mayweather chicken and afraid because they thought he was running from the fight but in actuality he was selling the fight..
I think Canelo actually did something positive. People complained about him being a 160lb title holder that didn't actually compete at the division's weight limit; now that issue is resolved.
If GBP makes an honest effort to negotiate the fight GGG at a fair weight (155-157?), then the backlash won't be as severe.