Fury is athletic in footwork and ranks up there with the best the difference is hes not just 6'9 he also has an85 inch reach so the necessary attributes have to be there to get to him .Joshua like Wlad have the most underatted footwork ever and this is because ppl look at the phyiques and all together watch fights with beer goggles on and dont see how they cover distance and punching range.For a 6'9 250 plus guy he would probably rank the best ever as a mover . But if you think Joshua cqant do that you would be wrong ,theres simply mo reason for him to prance around the ring and waste energy since hes a total different style and fast finisher.
You're right in that Joshua doesn't need to move about the ring like Fury due to his power, but we saw that when he gets hurt he sort of freezes, which isn't good anyway you look at it. Fury uses footwork to get into and out of range and to save him from an ass whooping when he's hurt. We haven't really seen Joshua show that yet. Maybe he's capable of it, maybe not. The Whyte fight shows he has a ways to go.
Nothing about what you posted has anything to do with athletism.More natural fighter is subjective,if that was the case he would have better technique and be able to end fights faster because that requires more explosive body movement he doesn't have either.You get more stamina through experience nothing to do with who can go longer now,which im sure Aj could go any amount necessary now. fury may be able to adapt better to a fighter b/c hes more experienced but that's not athletism. Its not rocket science that wlad didn't throw enough punches and I know a little something about that fight which is why im 90% sure Wlad wins this one in july.
Yeah, I sort of acknowledged that. I guess I just don't really get what people mean when they say athleticism. Like who can jump higher and run faster? How does that have any bearing on a boxing match? Fury has all the athletic talent needed to succeed as a boxer, meaning he picks up and internalises skills very quickly and has the ability to utilise and combine them in an effective way. He's not amazingly explosive or super fast or super coordinated, but some of the things he does no other heavyweight can come close to doing (cue face punch gif). I guess I just find that more impressive than one or two facets of athletic performance taken to a high degree.
Fury more athletic than Joshua ?:rofl:
Joshua excelled at football and was a track and field star .He was also an iron worker where he probably gets alot of his power from bc the stronger your wrist /hand and Forearm are the more power you are able to generate with less likely hood of injury as well .
Fury isn't more athletic than Joshua in a track and field sense. In fact about the only event I'd pick Fury to beat him in would be a long distance one. However, he is by far the more natural fighter. He just displays a freakish ability to read other fighters, pick them apart, spin them around, and put them together again with all the dangerous parts removed. He did that to Wlad, and all the fans picking Wlad to demolish him were left scratching their heads and wondering what the hell happened. Most of them still don't know.
Maybe that's more of a mental skill than a physical one, but it no doubt requires a certain level of athleticism to pull off.
It's obvious to see what makes Anthony Joshua good. It's harder to see what makes him great. I don't think we've seen enough of him to determine the latter, but we've seen of him thus far shows that he's a cut above most other heavyweights in the division. I'm not a huge fan personally, but I can certainly understand what others might see in him.
One thing in particular that impresses me about him is that he combines huge heavy handedness with great timing and technique. That's very rare in the division. Usually the heavy handed guys are either slow or crude or both. This enables Joshua to hit guys with hurtful shots from almost any angle and from any position, usually with crisp counter shots or shots they don't see coming, all of which makes him extremely dangerous.
He also has a very good jab which he uses to set up his shots in an intelligent manner, blindsiding opponents to an overhand right, stunning them or forcing them onto the ropes, where he's as dangerous as anybody. His jab enables him to determine distance, and get fighters onto the backfoot, where they're considerably more vulnerable.
I'm not so impressed with his footwork or defence. So far he strikes me as a bit of a plodder, just used to stalking guys round the ring and beating them down. Maybe his footwork's better than that, but he hasn't fought an opponent yet who can force him to do anything different. Until he does this will remain a bit of an unknown (though the Whyte fight didn't paint the greatest picture of him in this regard). To a degree his upper body movement compensates for his static footwork, as does his height advantage which allows him to lean out of harm's way from incoming shots, but that might get him in trouble the first time he fights a competent taller opponent.
The biggest thing I like about him is that he genuinely seems to want to improve and hone his skills. He has a great attitude, and combined with his rocketing levels of confidence that can bode extremely well for him in the future.
I just wish he'd lay off the 'roids a bit.
In Ring IQ, if you watch him he doesn't just try to come in and Overpower his opponents, Joshua will take his time and box and find his openings and create them instead of just swinging wildly and gassing early
Most people don't catch the little thing in boxing which truly the difference between being "Good" and being "GREAT" all they talk about is "Muscles" and "Power"
The man has good Boxing skills and excellent timing which is rare at heavyweight because many are not quick enough to pull this off, very good at catching and shooting which means he can catch guys with stuff they don't see coming which is usually how guys get knocked out:
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He is:
- Very big
- Young but mature
- Extremely powerful
- Reasonably skilled
- Reasonably fast
We don't know about his chin or stamina yet, but he is certainly dangerous and got a lot of potential. He will soon have knocked out 4 undefeated opponents in a row (when he is done with Breazale).
I agree with this...The main thing that stands out for AJ is the potential...He could potentially make waves, it is early for him and he doesn't have spectacularly dazzling skills or style, but he is all the of the above, which gives us potential of a big name in the HW division in the near future.
He may not be the second coming of any ATG, but in this era a guy coming through with these factors is great and provides potential, and thats what makes him an attraction. He could become more than that when he steps up and we see how he handles the world level.
Fanboys like are incapable of breaking down anything legit .My guess is you've never actually stepped foot in a boxing gym,but at least you got Fury top 10 correct but its nothing to do how smart you are more your fanboyism for him !
Son, you'd lick the sweat off AJ's ballsack given half the chance, i suppose you have him top 5? :lol1:
Is he actually that athletic though?
He seems rather flat footed and stiff to me which is probably the reason i feel the worst fight out there for him is Haye, IF Haye is still agile enough. Some of Joshua's opponents would make Chris Arreola seem cat-like.
He does have some very good attributes though.
He beat Mo Farah in a 100 meter dash.
He's athletic for sure
He is:
- Very big
- Young but mature
- Extremely powerful
- Reasonably skilled
- Reasonably fast
We don't know about his chin or stamina yet, but he is certainly dangerous and got a lot of potential. He will soon have knocked out 4 undefeated opponents in a row (when he is done with Breazale).
Only time will tell ,hes k.od some of what was considered excellent chins .Im guaranteed to judge power alot more than you believe me ,and AJ is one of the hardest hitters ive ever seenYou keep claiming BUMS when Fury has never fought anyone who wasnt damaged goods ? I Know one thing you certainly dont know what OVERATTED means:dead1:
Where do you rank Fury all time head to head ?This should be good,lets see who can actually piece together reality and separate fantasy !
You're correct, i don't know what "overatted" means. It's hard to take someone seriously when they write like an infant.
Fury all time? No idea. Probably top 10. There's never been another boxer in history with his attributes.
You seem to consider yourself an expert at breaking a boxer down. Dwyer does the same and considers Fury-Joshua a mismatch. Interesting eh?
Until he fight a decent fighter theres nothing to suggest he is really that good, once we see him against some decent opposition then we will see.
But look at furys resume before wlad. He had nothing to suggest he would come close to beating wlad and look what happened.
Personally i think joshua can go far but he needs to stop gaining lean muscle, do more stretching and concentrate on his footwork. He has power and speed but can look very robotic
Its all of those combined and you can add attributes to the list,at 6'6 240/250 he is extremely athletic . Moreso right now it would be style and mental attitude of not making it a secret he wants the fight over as quickly as possible so he is forcing an action fight and only a few will be able to make it past rnd 3 at this point if he goes in to try and end a fight,because he hits that hard .His only flaw ive noticed he tends to pause when landing a power right hand and look at his hurt opponents instead of sometimes following up with another punch,you can see this when he puts his right hand dangling up in the air at the side of his head after landing as if hes admiring his work a he steps back ,that habit needs to go otherwise not really anything else at this stage thats wrong.
His power is overrated. Wilder & Wlad hit harder. These bums that AJ has faced have all turned up to get paid, not win.
His strength, power, style, technique?
He is very athletic for his size, also has good fundamentals, has a decent jab and he has a good punch variety and variation in combos for a heavyweight. Unless his chin gets checked by wilder, Haye or Ortiz who are all in their 30s, he may end up being the next dominant heavyweight champ.
Tyson Fury is a joke. Decent fighter, plenty of swag but I dont think he beats all the top heavies. He has been dropped twice by smaller men, lower calibre heavies. The top guys may make sure he doesnt get up.