Would Wilder have fought povetkin last year knowing he was taking melodium ?

He had 3 negative tests before the positive test man..there is no question See post #29.

Legal or otherwise, Povetkin had no business being on a drug to treat a heart condition. Neither did Sharapova or any of the other Russians who were on it. Would Wilder have fought him last year? He'd probably have fought him this year if he was advised to by his managers and advisors.

Yes, we know Povetkin took meldonium. The issue is whether he took it before or after the ban. He had 3 negative tests before the positive test man..there is no question

Wilder was set to make 4.6 million. Why wouldn't he want to fight? Win or lose he wins the lottery & that would help give him & his daughter a better life. Povetkin screwed up. He already has millions stockpiled. Wilder doesn't...

My point is no matter how low it was YOU TOOK IT!!!!! Yes, we know Povetkin took meldonium. The issue is whether he took it before or after the ban.

Errr.. No. Why the hell wouldn't Povetkin want Wilder? Povetkin is 36 already, and Wilder's the weakest HW champ. He's prime target. And think about the Meldonium situation. His camp probably was delaying the fight because they knew he would test positive for Meldonium since he definitely took in 2015. It wasn't even a question. They thought it would be out of the system by May thus tried to push the fight off. As for 'trying to cheat', that's heavily arguable. None of us on these boards know what actually happened. Here's what we know: -Povetkin tested for Meldonium. -WBC postponed the fight. -VADA has stated that concentration of less than 1000 nanogram in any test taken BEFORE March 1st is due to intake in 2015 and thus is not considered cheating. Here's what we are told (this info could be false): -Meldonium concentration was 70 nanograms. -Povetkin tested clean 3 times before in early April Assuming all the info above is actually true, that means he somehow tested dirty for very small amounts after testing clean. I'm gonna borrow next part from another thread: And if you think I'm some Povetkin excuser like the /// dude.. I'm not. I don't like neither Wilder nor Povetkin. But I was really looking forward to their fight. VADA also stated they feel he took sometime in April. Microdose maybe to give the edge he has had for years and years and felt he was missing? Made a mistake. And if he knew it would be banned after Jan but received the letter in Sept then why continue to use? Oh yeah had another fight that he needed edge on too. No one to blame but him in either scenario and i dont buy the 8/9 months for system to be clean with 3 clean tests in-between. You can if you want. Why wouldnt Wilder want to fight Povetkin? Hes 36 and his team are the ones that have been pushing it back for months. Maybe pushing back the fight cause of the "Meld"? Why? They pushed back when it was legal so why push back to a time when it isnt? Makes no sense at all! Unless the rampart reports out of Russia are true and he was trying to get other things out of his system. And who pushed fight back again and again is well documented so its not just me making this up in my head. Just like many i wanted the fight so badly to see if Wilder is real cause Povetkin would have been his biggeset test and i think Wilder would have KO'd him but we wont know that cause Povetkin got popped. Shame but oh well.

This whole situation is bull****. The drug he was taking is about as big of a performance booster as coffee. I understand why the Wilder team pulled out of the fight, Povetkin was taking a CURRENTLY illegal drug. Still though, everything we know about the drug makes it seem less and less like PED. I think some of you guys really need to read about this. Additionally this move could have been political: soviet medicine developed differently from Western medicine. There are drugs that ex-soviet athletes take that Americans would never come in contact with. Given the current political climate the banning of this drug world wide could be western retaliation and a political move. It could be akin to the Russians choosing to ban a painkiller that all western athletes are on and calling all those athletes cheats. From the wikipedia"Forbes reported that anesthesiology professor Michael Joyner, at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota, who studies how humans respond to physical and mental stress during exercise and other activities, told them that "Evidence is lacking for many compounds believed to enhance athletic performance. Its use has a sort of urban legend element and there is not much out there that is clearly that effective. I would be shocked if this stuff had an effect greater than caffeine or creatine (a natural substance that, when taken as a supplement, is thought to enhance muscle mass).” Ford Vox, a U.S.-based physician specializing in rehabilitation medicine and a journalist reported "there's not much scientific support for its use as an athletic enhancer"" - read the sources.

An what's that got to do with meldonium? My point is no matter how low it was YOU TOOK IT!!!!!

It was legal last year so of course they would have fought. :boxing:

Thats just dumb. Povetkin is the one who never wanted this fight by continuing to push fight back and then tried to cheat when it arrived Errr.. No. Why the hell wouldn't Povetkin want Wilder? Povetkin is 36 already, and Wilder's the weakest HW champ. He's prime target. And think about the Meldonium situation. His camp probably was delaying the fight because they knew he would test positive for Meldonium since he definitely took in 2015. It wasn't even a question. They thought it would be out of the system by May thus tried to push the fight off. As for 'trying to cheat', that's heavily arguable. None of us on these boards know what actually happened. Here's what we know: -Povetkin tested for Meldonium. -WBC postponed the fight. -VADA has stated that concentration of less than 1000 nanogram in any test taken BEFORE March 1st is due to intake in 2015 and thus is not considered cheating. Here's what we are told (this info could be false): -Meldonium concentration was 70 nanograms. -Povetkin tested clean 3 times before in early April Assuming all the info above is actually true, that means he somehow tested dirty for very small amounts after testing clean. I'm gonna borrow next part from another thread: There are a couple of possibilities of what actually happened: He knowingly and willfully took Meldonium He unknowingly took Meldonium, and someone on his team gave it to him. He unknowingly took Meldonium, and it was an accident by his team member, such as using an old water bottle or mixing in an old pill His physical condition affected his test. Athletes at the end of the training usually carry less water weight, which makes it easier to detect low concentrations of drugs. Wilder's team framed Povetkin oneoneoneone!!! People on NSB will follow with whatever suits their agenda. All the white supremacists will claim #5, all pro black fans will claim #1. The intelligent people are gonna shut their traps and wait for more information. My hypothesis is either 3 or 4. But again, I'm just guessing. And if you think I'm some Povetkin excuser like the /// dude.. I'm not. I don't like neither Wilder nor Povetkin. But I was really looking forward to their fight.

lol depends entirely on the job. I think what OP was saying is that if they made this fight last year, the fight would happen and the banned substance would be perfectly legit last year. There would have been no issues whatsoever. Obviously it's not anymore since January of this year and that's the obvious problem here and now. Team Povetkin screwed up, it's all on him, he should be punished, etc. But it's still interesting to think about that a regularly used substance for 45 years which was accepted by drug agencies as being OK to take is now not OK to take and therefor a difference of 1-year changes massively in the perception of Povetkin! Crazy isn't it? This fight happens in December 2015 - Povetkin - clean fighter. May of 2016 - he's a cheater. That's a dramatic difference! Makes you wonder what other stuff will be banned in the future that is legal right now. Most all fighters take supplements and various things during training and more often than not, it's because they are trying to stay fit, trying to be strong and healthy, give them a mental and/or physical boost during training, not because they want to cheat but because they want to work hard. Well, your regular diet today could have banned substances in it a couple years down the road. That's the scary thing. As a professional athlete, you could be taking any number of things right this moment which are perfectly legal under anti-doping guidelines and find yourself this time next year a filthy drugs-cheat, simply because of a change in policy. What's the solution? Avoid taking anything which might potentially be banned in the future? How are you supposed to know that? Take nothing at all? But then you're not giving yourself the best opportunities to succeed. Or continue to take whatever you can get away with and hope for the best? That seems to be the most popular option athletes are going with these days.

I don't think meldonium makes an ounce of difference in either case. It was legal for 50 years for a reason. It has some performance enhancing properties, just like a million things that are still legal and used by both russian and western athletes. But it's no steroid. Wilder is blameless in the whole situation, but this is a real downer for the fans. The reason I say that is because Povetkin is dangerous. Wilder's team knows this, and they've kept him away from dangerous opponents his whole career. This Meldonium situation is their golden ticket out of Povetkin mandatory. Thats just dumb. Povetkin is the one who never wanted this fight by continuing to push fight back and then tried to cheat when it arrived. Maybe he saw this as a way out and avoid being KO'd in front of his whole country

I don't think meldonium makes an ounce of difference in either case. It was legal for 50 years for a reason. It has some performance enhancing properties, just like a million things that are still legal and used by both russian and western athletes. But it's no steroid. Wilder is blameless in the whole situation, but this is a real downer for the fans. The reason I say that is because Povetkin is dangerous. Wilder's team knows this, and they've kept him away from dangerous opponents his whole career. This Meldonium situation is their golden ticket out of Povetkin mandatory.

No job will hire you if you test positive for alcohol period....you know why?? because alcohols comes out of your system with in hours so that means you were drinking on the way to the test An what's that got to do with meldonium?

The effects of those drugs is well known to impair performance. If you're going for a job which required hand-eye coordination and large degrees of concentration then it makes sense. Even so, I don't know of any regular jobs that will refuse to take you on if you 'test positive' for 70 nanograms of alcohol. What the hell kind of jobs are those? Alcohol rehabilitation officer? No job will hire you if you test positive for alcohol period....you know why?? because alcohols comes out of your system with in hours so that means you were drinking on the way to the test

Marijuana is legal in Colorado....if you test positive for 70 nanograms of it guess what...you still wont get the job..alcohol is legal and if you test positive for it..you wont get the job....stop making excuses for Povetkin man The effects of those drugs is well known to impair performance. If you're going for a job which required hand-eye coordination and large degrees of concentration then it makes sense. Even so, I don't know of any regular jobs that will refuse to take you on if you 'test positive' for 70 nanograms of alcohol. What the hell kind of jobs are those? Alcohol rehabilitation officer?

He would have fought him then and now but the WBC made the choice to cancel fight cause many (WBC, VADA, Team Wilder) thought he tried to cheat after Jan and you can throw my name into that mix too.

There are still legal PEDs out there, that are on WADA monitoring list, that any athlete can be taking legally right now, just like Meldonium was this time last year This is the thing which the moral indignation crowd don't seem to get. Athletes will continue to take whatever the hell they can get away with, and the only thing separating a cheater from a clean athlete most often is simply whether they get busted or not. If the drug is legal then so much the better. No chance of any repercussions at all. So why not take it?

Was coke legal up until a couple months ago? Ok then. Marijuana is legal in Colorado....if you test positive for 70 nanograms of it guess what...you still wont get the job..alcohol is legal and if you test positive for it..you wont get the job....stop making excuses for Povetkin man

If you took a drug test for a job and they found 70 nanograms of coke in your system do you think you'd get the job? That depends, from what i read (and it could be false) they are allowed to have over 10 times that amount in their system. So if it was acceptable to have that amount of cocaine in your system then yes. however i am against PEDs even though i know the sad reality of our sport that majority of the fighters use them or use methods to get around them like IV drips or whatever.... oh well