I don't get it. Post 2000? We have boxers who started boxing after then that would be considered ATGs?
Not necessarily that their careers started after 2000, just that they won important fights after the year 2000.
I challenge you to name one who has been caught and found guilty of doping. Your asinine opinion doesn't count, so I doubt you will be able to come up with a legitimate answer to this question. However, if you know of one that falls in the category of having been caught and found guilty of doping by a legitimate boxing agency or authority, please share that person's name with us.
Just because boxing is corrupt doesn't mean things didn't happen. Go look at Mosley's interview where he admits to using steroids. Just because they aren't caught doesn't mean they didn't do it. Its the old adage of who oversees the overseers.
Lennox Lewis? Maybe?
I challenge you to name one who has been caught and found guilty of doping. Your asinine opinion doesn't count, so I doubt you will be able to come up with a legitimate answer to this question. However, if you know of one that falls in the category of having been caught and found guilty of doping by a legitimate boxing agency or authority, please share that person's name with us.
Well there's the 4 most credible people I've ever seen lol...
Atlas ever find that email yet?
Manny's objetion and handling of the testing situation was more proof than any email could have given me on what was going on in the Pacquiao camp. From that day he's been a dirty fighter to me, period. No other fighter reacted like that over testing that both fighters would be subjected to.
Yup! We grew up on the same street as kids. Glad he finally made it.
No way!!!! Lol I just guessed cause he had a sicc goal and I remember you told me you live Canada. I like him he's very underrated in a team full of stars
Could it be possible that he legitametly thought Manny was juicing? I think he was. Paulie thinks he was. Floyd thought he was. Atlas thought he was. Whether you want to admit it or not there were those who thought he was fishy. Floyd asked him to test. Manny's objection was a guilty verdict for me. If it wasn't for you, cool. But don't act as if Manny is this ighter who has given no one reason to question him, that's idiotic.
Well there's the 4 most credible people I've ever seen lol...
Atlas ever find that email yet?
Nice try. But this was the arguement made by pact@rds 6 years ago.
Its not "floyds testing demands" - it was having to adhere to WADA protocol - that team pedquiao turned down. Period.
Since then WADA style testing protocols are the norm in boxing and combat sports. Whether it be an official WADA signatory such as USADA or a cheap knock off version of the WADA code like VADA uses - its still following more stringent testing protocol.
Instead of spreading misguided mayhate you should be thankful of floyd.
Doesnt change the fact that Pacquiao refused wada style testing. All the bull**** lies that came out of top rank about needles and floyds diva demands and imaginary negotiations.....fact remains team pac refused wada style testing. The same test that he performed years later. The same testing that everyone is using now. Thats a hypocrite if i ever saw one. And looks pretty guilty to me.
Floyd and lance iv use was under two completely different scenarios and drug testing technologies. Speak facts kid.
Iv use is common in combat sports. Made popular by lance? Lol. Goofball.
All (including Floyd) used PEDs at one time or another. It's just a part of professional sports as some one else said. Some people make it obvious, some are low key and smart, some are badly advised , some just make little slips and some (Evan Fields) are just idiots.
It is what it is.
Oh, and cocaine was one of the original sporting performance enhancers historically.
he turned down floyd's testing demand.
he didnt turn down testing that his sport requires of him.
Can you name me another sport, another athlete, that gets to dictate what kind of testing his opponent takes????
I mean if you believe pacquiao used peds, then do you will have to automatically assume floyd did as well since he hired pacquiao's very own trainer!
Again, there isnt a SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE THAT PACQUIAO USED PEDs. None whatsoever. Pacquiao never turned down any test his sport REQUIRED OF HIM.
Nice try. But this was the arguement made by pact@rds 6 years ago.
Its not "floyds testing demands" - it was having to adhere to WADA protocol - that team pedquiao turned down. Period.
Since then WADA style testing protocols are the norm in boxing and combat sports. Whether it be an official WADA signatory such as USADA or a cheap knock off version of the WADA code like VADA uses - its still following more stringent testing protocol.
Instead of spreading misguided mayhate you should be thankful of floyd.
pacquiao eventually did as well.
you do know the fight took place right?
he only asked those guys AFTERWARDS the failed first negotiations so he doesnt look like a complete fkcing hypocrite because he didnt ask HIS PREVIOUS OPPONENTS for extra testing but suddenly when its time to face his best opponent to date he asked pacquiao for extra testing despite pacquiao not showing any evidence of ped use and despite not asking his previous opponents.
Doesnt change the fact that Pacquiao refused wada style testing. All the bull**** lies that came out of top rank about needles and floyds diva demands and imaginary negotiations.....fact remains team pac refused wada style testing. The same test that he performed years later. The same testing that everyone is using now. Thats a hypocrite if i ever saw one. And looks pretty guilty to me.
if anything its floyd that has all the suspicious with the iv maneuver deemed a ped masking tactic popularized by lance armstrong according to wada.
Floyd and lance iv use was under two completely different scenarios and drug testing technologies. Speak facts kid.
Iv use is common in combat sports. Made popular by lance? Lol. Goofball.
Roy was popped.
And if my life was the line, I would bet on every single one of those having used a banned substance.
I mean I'm suspicious of some/all but hey, they haven't been caught so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
Atg's?
Well how many atg's have we had since 2000? 3? Floyd, Pac and Wlad?
None of them ever tested positive.
Floyd flat out cheated, it just so happens he had a TUE. That doesn't change what he did.
Pac refused the biggest fight ever in boxing due to testing. He could have called Floyd's buff and maybe negotiations would fall due to another reason. But the fact that they ended because of testing is downright incriminating.
Wlad I don't believe to be an ATG. You can't become an ATG having fought the pathetic current generation of Heavyweights.
Manny, Floyd, Wlad, Marquez, RJJ, Hopkins, etc haven't been caught.
Roy was popped.
And if my life was the line, I would bet on every single one of those having used a banned substance.
pacquiao eventually did as well.
you do know the fight took place right?
he only asked those guys AFTERWARDS the failed first negotiations so he doesnt look like a complete fkcing hypocrite because he didnt ask HIS PREVIOUS OPPONENTS for extra testing but suddenly when its time to face his best opponent to date, he asked pacquiao for extra testing despite pacquiao not showing any evidence of ped use and despite not asking his previous opponents.
if anything its floyd that has all the suspicious with the iv maneuver deemed a ped masking tactic popularized by lance armstrong according to wada.
Could it be possible that he legitametly thought Manny was juicing? I think he was. Paulie thinks he was. Floyd thought he was. Atlas thought he was. Whether you want to admit it or not there were those who thought he was fishy. Floyd asked him to test. Manny's objection was a guilty verdict for me. If it wasn't for you, cool. But don't act as if Manny is this ighter who has given no one reason to question him, that's idiotic.
Would be amazed if any of those 80s guys were clean.
Well yeah you might have a point but I don't think drug usage back in the 70's and 80's were as well understood as they became to be in around the 90's onwards.
Could be wrong obviously, PED's have been around for a very long time surely we'd have some telltale signs from some of these athletes that we suspect to be on something I mean JMM suddenly gained a tonne of chest acne out of nowhere.