This Concept That Canelo Was "Green" When Floyd Fought Him Is Nonsensical

There is no distinct line to separate those two as one blends into the other as a natural progression. It could be argued that you are a little green until you hit your prime. Then, you have guys like Floyd who gave some of his best fights pre-prime, even though he became technically more sound later on. I think Canelo is just coming into his prime now and was still a bit green when he fought May. A lot of the mistakes he was making were things he got away with because he never had to come to terms with them. That loss/clowning caused him to buckle down and really grow as a fighter. Look at the fights before Mayweather vs after and there is a marked difference in his ring IQ and general behavior. No more hesitation/waiting. He can actively pursue in an effective way. Doesn't mean it wasn't a legit win for May or that Canelo would beat him now. I don't know why people are so insecure with the idea that Canelo has improved since Mayweather. At the time, it was still a great fight for Money to take. Canelo being better now doesn't threaten May's legacy. I just disagree that boxers go from being green to being in their prime. There is definitely a stage in between that as guys just keep fighting and improving... until they reach their professional peak.

I can't give Floyd full credit for that fight due to that catch weight bullshit.

Are you saying that he wasnt yet in his prime or that he was green? Cause i dont think OP was saying that Canelo was already as good as he would ever be. There is no distinct line to separate those two as one blends into the other as a natural progression. It could be argued that you are a little green until you hit your prime. Then, you have guys like Floyd who gave some of his best fights pre-prime, even though he became technically more sound later on. I think Canelo is just coming into his prime now and was still a bit green when he fought May. A lot of the mistakes he was making were things he got away with because he never had to come to terms with them. That loss/clowning caused him to buckle down and really grow as a fighter. Look at the fights before Mayweather vs after and there is a marked difference in his ring IQ and general behavior. No more hesitation/waiting. He can actively pursue in an effective way. Doesn't mean it wasn't a legit win for May or that Canelo would beat him now. I don't know why people are so insecure with the idea that Canelo has improved since Mayweather. At the time, it was still a great fight for Money to take. Canelo being better now doesn't threaten May's legacy.

Like Floyd Jr said about CWs, Canelo is still an undefeated fighter. Canelo hadn't fought anyone back then and didn't look good against Trout. The open scoring didn't help Trout either and got him out of his game plan. Floyd Sr said it best. Canelo had trouble making weight and would be drained trying to make 152. Also mentioned that Canelo at one point is no longer losing fat and draining from his muscles. Plus, Canelo fought relatively flat footed, slow work rate and stamina problems. Plus he was green. All this came out from Floyd Sr's mouth while laughing when the reporter commented that Canelo would come out storming. Sr laughed and said that's what we want because he has no stamina.

I distinctly remember saying that it was a little early for Canelo to take the fight. I was rooting for Floyd but felt Canelo was still coming into his own and would be ready in a year or so. I wasn't the only one. That seemed to be the general sentiment floating around. I'm all for praising Floyd's greatness but let's not be children and pretend every single thing he did was spun from gold and every scenario was the most challenging to him. Come on. Edit; just to make no mistake, it was still a ballsy fight for May to take. I give him full credit for that. Everyone said he wouldn't fight Canelo, even though he was favored. Are you saying that he wasnt yet in his prime or that he was green? Cause i dont think OP was saying that Canelo was already as good as he would ever be. At that age, most guys still have room to improve. I think Canelo has done that. Good on him. But the truth is that he wasnt green, didnt lack experience, the stage wasn't too big for him and he wasn't under developed. Its just that Floyd was that much better.

Catch weight queen 152...even out the playing field. You know what's up. Floyd would tax dat ass on any given night.

I distinctly remember saying that it was a little early for Canelo to take the fight. I was rooting for Floyd but felt Canelo was still coming into his own and would be ready in a year or so. I wasn't the only one. That seemed to be the general sentiment floating around. I'm all for praising Floyd's greatness but let's not be children and pretend every single thing he did was spun from gold and every scenario was the most challenging to him. Come on. Edit; just to make no mistake, it was still a ballsy fight for May to take. I give him full credit for that. Everyone said he wouldn't fight Canelo, even though he was favored. The bold pretty much covers it.

He weighed in @ the 154 CW limit the night before the fight. He walks around @ 170. Of course he was weight-drained. http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/9670181/floyd-mayweather-canelo-alvarez-easily-make-weight-ahead-saturday-megafight He weighed in at 153 for trout, only had to weight 1 pound less and there was no rehydration clause. All I hear are excuses.

I distinctly remember saying that it was a little early for Canelo to take the fight. I was rooting for Floyd but felt Canelo was still coming into his own and would be ready in a year or so. I wasn't the only one. That seemed to be the general sentiment floating around. I'm all for praising Floyd's greatness but let's not be children and pretend every single thing he did was spun from gold and every scenario was the most challenging to him. Come on. Green k my man good post

years ago, is someone bound to their statements for life? Fact is if Mayweather thought he could beat canelo at 154 he would have. Theirs a few videos with nate jones when he left mayweather boxing to start his own gym and he says that draining canelo was pretty much the game plan and when we saw him on stage for the weigh in we knew it worked. That fight was won for mayweather on the stipulations he put on canelo. Simple as that mayweather is a good fighter I like him (I talk shit cause too many here have some homo love for the dude) I just wish mayweather didnt always take the bitch route in his fight, waiting fighters out, purchasing advantages, weight draining fighters. Mayweather himself admit he done all these things which shocks me when hes own fans cant. Mayweather himself says hes not TBE in the ring but TBE in the fighting game, the business of boxing. He knows he leverage all of his power to strip his oppenents of pretty much the chances to win. Check 2:54 Your first statement applies to the whole 154-168 for GGG but most Can't-Nelo fan boys hold him to that offer that was made 2 years ago

I distinctly remember saying that it was a little early for Canelo to take the fight. I was rooting for Floyd but felt Canelo was still coming into his own and would be ready in a year or so. I wasn't the only one. That seemed to be the general sentiment floating around. I'm all for praising Floyd's greatness but let's not be children and pretend every single thing he did was spun from gold and every scenario was the most challenging to him. Come on. Edit; just to make no mistake, it was still a ballsy fight for May to take. I give him full credit for that. Everyone said he wouldn't fight Canelo, even though he was favored.

Come on man there is an excuse to discredit all of Mayweathers win...i thought you knew that by now Well since the Oscar fight I would say yes prior hel no he dude was legit

Nelo is green cos he never fought anyone and just wasdnt any good when Floyd beat him! Ifhe was good the average boxing fan would have considered him top 10 PFP at least. Its doubtful in reality if he was top20 even. He literally hadn't beaten anyone in 40 fights. A green srl is better than nelo is now or nelo ever will be. A green benitez is better than nelo will ever be Nelo was struggling and making hard work with the hattons and Gomez of this world, little guys. Nelo just wasn't that good wasn't proven, never beat anyone any good convincingly He was bigger than Floyd, so that was interesting but then he asks cw?He had 6 title defenses and was a unified champion...stop the excuses....

People need to stop saying Floyd fought a "green" Canelo. Before the fight people were making Canelo out to be some unstoppable monster that Floyd would not dare face. After Floyd beats him in a shut out people go back on their claims and say Canelo was too young. People need to stop making excuses by retroactively going back on their initial claims. Just admit Mayweather is a better fighter than Canelo ever could be. Mayweather is a better fighter than Canelo could ever be. Few would disagree with that. But also, Canelo was green at a world class level and moved down to 152 to fight him. This is the context in which the fight happened. No one discredits Duran's win over Leonard because Leonard was 23 years old and only fought pro for 4 years. No one makes excuses for Tyson for losing to Douglas at 23 years old while being pro for five years. So why make excuses for Canelo who had been a professional for EIGHT years by calling him green? I'd say Leonard's resume at that point was deeper than Canelo's was going into the Mayweather fight though. I take it you don't talk to many Mike Tyson fans. Plenty of people make excuses for him. But even if they did not I'd say Tyson's resume at that point was deeper than Canelo's was going into the Mayweather fight. 91s KO Spinks > competitive fight with Trout. And unlike Canelo, he wasn't stepping up to a challenge with which it really mattered whether he was green or not. At the time Floyd fought Canelo, he was 22 going on 23 with a record of 42-0-1 and had been a professional 8 years. If you have done anything in your life for 8 years absolutely no one would call that being "green". Canelo had also competed in two divisions and was the WBC light middleweight champion. True, but he never fought as an amateur. This logic is even worse considering the fact that Mayweather was pushing 40 and had been a semi active fighter himself when he beat Canelo. Can't argue with that. This doesn't mean Canelo wasn't green, just means that the timing wasn't ideal for either. The reality is that some fights, like this one, could never have realistically been made at a time that was ideal for both fighters. There is nothing wrong with that, it was still a great win, but it's not untrue to point those things out. TLDR: I don't think Canelo lost because he was green, but I did think he was not very experienced yet against solid opposition.

I've hear that so many times in real life. NOBODY said this before the fight but that's the narrative now. I suppose people have a hard time calling him washed up or a bum after he lost to Floyd, therfore he was handpicked by Mayweather due to his greeness.

Was Leonard green when Duran beat him?? 24 and only pro 4 years?? Canelo was pro for 8 years Was Benitiez green when Leonard beat him?? he was 21 and pro 6 years these are great wins on their resume but we wanna call Canelo green? ? Nelo is green cos he never fought anyone and just wasdnt any good when Floyd beat him! Ifhe was good the average boxing fan would have considered him top 10 PFP at least. Its doubtful in reality if he was top20 even. He literally hadn't beaten anyone in 40 fights. A green srl is better than nelo is now or nelo ever will be. A green benitez is better than nelo will ever be Nelo was struggling and making hard work with the hattons and Gomez of this world, little guys. Nelo just wasn't that good wasn't proven, never beat anyone any good convincingly He was bigger than Floyd, so that was interesting but then he asks cw?

Was Leonard green when Duran beat him?? 24 and only pro 4 years?? Canelo was pro for 8 years Was Benitiez green when Leonard beat him?? he was 21 and pro 6 years these are great wins on their resume but we wanna call Canelo green? and Mosley was 38 right?? but we refuse to gove Floyd credit for being on top at 38...see the double standards here? I rest my case

the same people tried to say 28 year old Hopkins, with over 90 amatuer fights, and more pro fights than Jones, was green. Even though Hopkins had just as many amatuer fights and a couple more pro smh....people like that try to discredit fighters they dont like,.....oh well....Canelo was far from green with that much experience. Also you made a good example.....was Hearns green when Leonard beat him just to add to your point. Good point...

Canelo had 6 title defenses and was a unified champion holding the WBC,WBA and Ring title...but he was green...BUT BEFORE THE FIGHT IT WAS "FLOYD WILL NEVER FIGHT CANELO"

It is hilarious how people say Durans win over Leonard was PRIME leonard and one of the best wins in history...then call Canelo Green..how in the hell does that work?