Do you guys realise that Golovkin and Canelo have sparred?

lol so canelo has "probably" improved after fighting floyd, trout, lara and cotto. right.... What am I supposed to be seeing improvements in? His power hasn't changed, he still can't knockdown or seriously hurt anyone skilled. His footwork is still terrible, so is his gas tank. He can't cut off the ring properly, but I enjoy seeing his upperbody movement defense, although he's been using that for a while now so how is that an improvement? The guy can't win a fight decisively to save his life, sorry I'm not impressed with that.

Meh, not interested. Is this the same Canelo who couldn't even hurt or knockdown Cotto or Lara, meanwhile Angulo and Pacquaio have both managed to deal with his opponents in a better fashion, despite one weighing considerably less. Has he improved? Probably. Has his power? I don't think so. His power has always been overstated. In regards to the article, I wouldn't call it a good fight, maybe competitive at the start, but as you read further you can see the focus begins to shift to Golovkin putting Canelo in his place. lol so canelo has "probably" improved after fighting floyd, trout, lara and cotto. right....

I don't really make this fight about power but make no mistake Canelo can punch...he is not a one punch KO artist but he can definitely hit. He is not a fighter who looks for a knockout though I will give you that, he looks for openings and is methodical and doesn't force it, so that is probably why he doesn't always get KO's or hurt fighters he was expected to. But if you rush him or are irresponsible in your approach and he hits you right, he will put anyone in and around his weight class down including GGG. I think the one thing I haven't mentioned in this thread is that I think GGG wins this fight right now, but the longer it goes, the more Canelo improves and grows, the closer this fight gets. You say you are not interested, and obviously you are a GGG fan, but if a 28 year old GGG himself said that Canelo (21 year old version) is the best he's been in the ring with and quote "he was strong and fast with very good skills" Then as a fan that is something should definitely show up on your radar as a warning signal in my opinion, and if you think that Canelo today isn't better, isn't sturdier, more powerful, smarter than that version, you most definitely have your head in the clouds. I think some of you GGG fans are going to get a certain lesson for the first time when it comes to your fav fighter that most of us have already experienced. Boxing is about levels, and eventually said fighter fights someone and all of a sudden he doesn't look so good anymore, he looks like there is something wrong with him, he seems slower, less accurate, the other guy seems to be taking the shots better, and your asking yourself, 'why isn't he doing what he normally does?' For GGG win or lose I think that someone will be Canelo, and for a lot of his fans who think he will dominate for years and climb up weight divisions, it will be a bit of a rude awakening. I meant I'm not interested in hearing about Canelo and his power, because I believe it's overvalued, not about GGG vs. Canelo. If they were to fight I'd bet my bank account that Canelo has zero chance of winning besides a robbery, there is literally nothing Canelo does better besides combination punching, for which he can only throw when stationary. The guy couldn't even knockdown or hurt Cotto or Lara, I mean please... give me a break. He's precise with his shots, but power? Not really, it's average.

There is nobody in boxing that is going to beat a prime Canelo easily. This notion that some people have is nonsensical. A 21 year old Canelo, by all accounts, gave Golovkin a damn good fight and he has improved massively since then in every department. That was 2 years before the Mayweather fight, everyone should see the huge improvements he has made, as well as the size and power difference between a 21 year old and 25 year old Canelo. Unless Canelo can figure out how to neutralize GGG's jab, stay inside and smother his power, improves his stamina against a guy who is'nt going to let him take breaks, and somehow learns to get power on his punches without having his feet planted like they are cemented to the ground. He will be an easy victim. He may win a few rounds and I think he will be able to go 8-9 rounds because he is a tough kid, but he does'nt have the inside game or power to stop GGG from having his way with him.

Meh, not interested. Is this the same Canelo who couldn't even hurt or knockdown Cotto or Lara, meanwhile Angulo and Pacquaio have both managed to deal with his opponents in a better fashion, despite one weighing considerably less. Has he improved? Probably. Has his power? I don't think so. His power has always been overstated. In regards to the article, I wouldn't call it a good fight, maybe competitive at the start, but as you read further you can see the focus begins to shift to Golovkin putting Canelo in his place. I don't really make this fight about power but make no mistake Canelo can punch...he is not a one punch KO artist but he can definitely hit. He is not a fighter who looks for a knockout though I will give you that, he looks for openings and is methodical and doesn't force it, so that is probably why he doesn't always get KO's or hurt fighters he was expected to. But if you rush him or are irresponsible in your approach and he hits you right, he will put anyone in and around his weight class down including GGG. I think the one thing I haven't mentioned in this thread is that I think GGG wins this fight right now, but the longer it goes, the more Canelo improves and grows, the closer this fight gets. You say you are not interested, and obviously you are a GGG fan, but if a 28 year old GGG himself said that Canelo (21 year old version) is the best he's been in the ring with and quote "he was strong and fast with very good skills" Then as a fan that is something should definitely show up on your radar as a warning signal in my opinion, and if you think that Canelo today isn't better, isn't sturdier, more powerful, smarter than that version, you most definitely have your head in the clouds. I think some of you GGG fans are going to get a certain lesson for the first time when it comes to your fav fighter that most of us have already experienced. Boxing is about levels, and eventually said fighter fights someone and all of a sudden he doesn't look so good anymore, he looks like there is something wrong with him, he seems slower, less accurate, the other guy seems to be taking the shots better, and your asking yourself, 'why isn't he doing what he normally does?' For GGG win or lose I think that someone will be Canelo, and for a lot of his fans who think he will dominate for years and climb up weight divisions, it will be a bit of a rude awakening.

It's old news, and it's just that. Sparring.

Read the article its a great read if you haven't before. Very good read... Thanks for posting.

Meh, not interested. Is this the same Canelo who couldn't even really hurt Cotto or Lara? Has he improved? Probably. Has he power? I don't think so. His power has always been overstated. In regards to the article, I wouldn't call it a good fight, it looks like slowly but surely Golovkin started dominating him. He badly hurt Cotto in the 12th with a body shot, there's a reason Cotto wasn't throwing power shots during the fight, he was on the move all night. He doesn't have one punch KO power, but he has thudding power and is very strong physically. Compare the Canelo from that time (Rhodes fight) to the current version, it's a completely different level of fighter in every area. There have been many accounts of the Golovkin-Canelo sparring, all of which tell the story of an excellent back and forth battle.

There is nobody in boxing that is going to beat a prime Canelo easily. This notion that some people have is nonsensical. A 21 year old Canelo, by all accounts, gave Golovkin a damn good fight and he has improved massively since then in every department. That was 2 years before the Mayweather fight, everyone should see the huge improvements he has made, as well as the size and power difference between a 21 year old and 25 year old Canelo. Meh, not interested. Is this the same Canelo who couldn't even hurt or knockdown Cotto or Lara, meanwhile Angulo and Pacquaio have both managed to deal with his opponents in a better fashion, despite one weighing considerably less. Has he improved? Probably. Has his power? I don't think so. His power has always been overstated. In regards to the article, I wouldn't call it a good fight, maybe competitive at the start, but as you read further you can see the focus begins to shift to Golovkin putting Canelo in his place.

Well the fact that GGG has always openly said that Canelo is the best fighter he has been in the ring with, based off those sessions, probably means something. Plus what I have been reading recently is a lot of posts and comments about the fight going like every other GGG fight and a lot of people of the opinion that Canlo will be a pushover. The reason for my thread is that quite a few posters here need to realise that regardless of the result Canelo is a significant step up from what GGG has been fighting thus far. There is nobody in boxing that is going to beat a prime Canelo easily. This notion that some people have is nonsensical. A 21 year old Canelo, by all accounts, gave Golovkin a damn good fight and he has improved massively since then in every department. That was 2 years before the Mayweather fight, everyone should see the huge improvements he has made, as well as the size and power difference between a 21 year old and 25 year old Canelo.

Means nothing.....and we all shud already know that Well the fact that GGG has always openly said that Canelo is the best fighter he has been in the ring with, based off those sessions, probably means something. Plus what I have been reading recently is a lot of posts and comments about the fight going like every other GGG fight and a lot of people of the opinion that Canlo will be a pushover. The reason for my thread is that quite a few posters here need to realise that regardless of the result Canelo is a significant step up from what GGG has been fighting thus far.

Thanks man. Good stuff! Read the article its a great read if you haven't before.

No definitely not, it was pretty back and forth from what people who were there say. I will copy and past article. Thanks man. Good stuff!

Means nothing.....and we all shud already know that

Yes we all know. It seems that a great many still don't by some of the comments/posts/opinions recently

The 24-minute sparring session reinforced some critical observations I (and many others) have regarding Alvarez’s style and technique, but I think I gained some insight into his ring temperament. Alvarez is a versatile boxer who can stick and move or stalk and punch effectively. He’s comfortable in the ring (and under pressure), but if he’s hurt or feels that he’s being overwhelmed during a fight, I have the feeling he might just go for broke instead of try to survive. That’s probably not the safe or smart thing to do in the face of adversity, but it’s the kind of attitude that makes an attraction even more popular with his fans. I don’t know if Rhodes will be the guy to do it, but somebody’s going to clip the kid good (better than Cotto did or Golovkin did in the second round of the sparring I witnessed). Alavarez keeps his gloves up most of the time but his hand placement allows for a sharp shooter to pierce the center with uppercuts or come over and around the top with hooks. Here’s a peak at some of the observations I jotted down in my notebook while watching Alvarez spar: “Canelo doesn’t try to avoid confrontation.” (Written during the second round.) “He fights in spurts. He can be outworked by a busy fighter with a constant jab. He’s got a good chin but it’s not indestructible.” (Written after the third round.) So the kid isn’t perfect. I was still impressed with what I saw from him because I realize that he was in with a real beast. Let’s give him credit for daring to test himself. “It was good for him to come here,” said Sanchez. “At home he was the big dog. There was nowhere to go up. He was probably getting complacent in his training. Here, he has to be on his Ps and Qs because there’s a bigger dog.” That’s what the young man wanted. “Rhodes is talented and I know he’s going to be very strong because he’s coming down from middleweight,” Alvarez said through Sanchez. “So if I can spar with a smart, powerful middleweight champion like Golovkin, in my mind, I’m not going to have any problem with Rhodes’ ability or size.” My first look at Golovkin was a treat. I think he’s the real deal. He won’t be able to fight in the States or on American TV until he resolves his contractual dispute with Germany-based Universum, which probably won’t happen until after November (when he says his contract expires), but ‘Superman’ is going to be worth watching whenever ESPN, Showtime or HBO discovers him. Mark my words. Golovkin is a very strong and durable athlete with all-around skill and excellent technique, which includes defensive prowess. He has good footwork. Pivots well. Makes use of feints. He’s brutal but crafty. If he can take a punch, he’s going to be very hard to beat. Here’s a few notes on Golovkin: “His right hand is like a laser beam. It reminds me of Kostya Tszyu’s right. The way he holds his hands also reminds me of Tszyu. Come to think of it, Golovkin kind of looks of like Tszyu. He’s got the same muscle tone, Central Asian facial features and oil-black hair (sans the pigtail).” Miscellaneous Gym Notes: Antillon told me that he signed the contract last week for the Rios fight, which Showtime will televise from the Home Depot Center in Carson, Calif. “It’s a done deal as far as I’m concerned,” he said. “I can’t wait. We’re going to be like two runaway trains meeting at the center of the ring. “It’s happening at the right time for me because I’ve got the experience of my fight with (Humberto) Soto, and I’ve had more time to grow from Abel‘s way of training. Golovkin, who is learning English, said he had more than 300 amateur bouts. His boxing heroes are Sugar Ray Robinson and Sugar Ray Leonard. I met Sanchez in Big Bear back in 1999, when he was training Frans Botha to fight Shannon Briggs that summer. He’s one of my favorite trainers and he happened to train one of my all-time favorite fighters, Terry Norris. I often tell Sanchez that “Terrible Terry” was my main guy in the early 1990s and one of the reasons I became a hardcore fan. He told me that Golovkin would be my new favorite in about a year. We’ll see.

Before the session, which took place on Wednesday, May 25, began, Sanchez told me not to expect a blood-and-guts shootout. Angulo, a big, strong, mature pressure fighter, forced Golovkin’s heavy hand, so to speak. In general, Sanchez discourages gym wars, which is why he's always operated out of private gyms away from an “audience” that might spur on unnecessary displays of machismo in the ring. “Think of this gym like a school,” he said. “It’s not a public gym with pride and egos on the line. This is about learning. We’re here to work and prepare for our upcoming fights.” Golovkin defends his WBA belt against former 154-pound titleholder Kassim Ouma on June 17 in Panama City, Panama. Alvarez defends his WBC strap against Ryan Rhodes on June 18 in his native Guadalajara, Mexico. On this day, they would spar six four-minute rounds (which is no walk in the park 6,000 feet/1,800 meters above sea level). “We’re using ‘Canelo’ for his speed,” Sanchez said. “He’s using us for our size.” That was fine by me. I was using both for a ******.com column. Round one: Alvarez began the session sticking and moving effectively. The young redhead was on his toes when he maneuvered around the casually advancing Golovkin, but he planted his feet every time he let his hands go, including his stiff jab. However, Golovkin picked off most of Alvarez’s shots with his gloves as he quickly cut the ring off, occasionally switching stances as he stepped forward. The 2004 Olympian slipped a beautiful left uppercut through Alvarez’s guard to score the first significant punch midway through the round. Alvarez loaded up with a retaliatory hook that missed and spun him halfway around. Golovkin didn’t jab much, but he landed it whenever he let it go. Alvarez began to look for ways to counter his antagonist in the final minute and scored with a sweet right cross followed by a hook that shook Golovkin down to his shoes. The Kazakh just smiled at him, though. Unfazed, Alvarez stood his ground in the final 30 seconds and took a few hard body shots. Round two: Golovkin stalked a little faster while displaying decent head movement and a nice straight, crisp jab. Alvarez definitely felt the pressure as he gave ground without allowing his back to touch the ropes. He used fluid upper-body movement to evade Golovkin’s short power shots, which prompted co-trainer Jose Reynoso to yell “Bien, bien, muy bien!” from the corner. Alvarez landed a picture-perfect head-to-body hook combination mid-round. Golovkin fired back but the kid leaned away from the punches. Alvarez tried to counter Golovkin but couldn’t get through the older fighter’s guard. Still, the young man’s accuracy backed Golovkin off for the first time during the session. Alvarez followed Golovkin during the final minute but walked into a hard left hook that appeared to rock him with 10 seconds remaining. Alvarez didn’t return to his corner after the bell but instead tried to shake out his right leg, which immediately stiffened on impact of Golovkin‘s hook. Rounds three and four: Alvarez abandoned his jab and his upper-body movement and took the fight to Golovkin with both hands. Golovkin welcomed the aggression, easily blocking Alvarez’s punches while landing most of his. Alvarez sucked it up and even walked forward while attempting to block as much heat as he could, but it was clear that he could not match Golovkin’s strength or power. Still, the budding young star got in an occasional power punch whenever he let his hands go in bunches. His hook-right combination found the mark but his technique was not as tight as it was at the start of the session and his face was turning beet red from Golovkin‘s punches. The kid showed guts but he didn’t merit a single “bien” from Reynoso in the third round. He didn’t hear it until two and half minutes into the fourth round, when he let loose with a blazing five-punch combination. Golovkin dodged or parried most of the shots but Alvarez earned his respect for the round. Round five: A tired-looking Alvarez resumed his jab and lateral movement to buy himself a breather. His jab was especially effective when he shot-gunned it. Golovkin neglected his jab and looked to counter Alvarez’s left stick with single power punches (the hook in particular). Alvarez did more moving along the ring perimeter (his back now grazing the ropes) than punching, but he got off hard shots when he did let his hands go. Round six: Alvarez caught his second wind in the final round, bouncing on his toes with quick one-two combinations. “Muy bien!” Reynoso yelled after Alvarez landed a right uppercut-right cross combination off the ropes. Golovkin grinned again and attacked Alvarez’s body as the kid tried to spin away. They both loaded up with single power punches during the final minute of the round. It was good stuff and definitely worth the trip. I wasn’t the only observer who appreciated the session. “That was great,” said Antillon, who is slated to challenge WBA lightweight beltholder Brandon Rios in a can’t-miss barnburner on July 9. “Two undefeated champions going at it. You don’t see this often.”

Link not working. Is it true that Golovkin put Canelo down in that session you're talking about? I thought I'd heard that before. As much as I detest the long and winding drive up to Big Bear Lake, Calif., I knew I would eventually return to the mountain resort town sometime this year. I’d been hearing too many stories about Gennady Golovkin, the undefeated WBA middleweight beltholder coached by Abel Sanchez at the veteran trainer‘s gym in Big Bear, to stay away. When Sanchez told me last month that rising Mexican star Saul Alvarez would not only arrive to train at The Summit, his high altitude training center, in May but also spar with Golovkin, I knew my time to return had come. By sitting in on a sparring session between the two, I’d find out whether there’s any truth to the outlandish gym rumors I’d heard about Golovkin, a 28-year-old native of Kazakhstan who goes by the nickname “Superman,” and I’d see how talented and tough the 20-year-old 154-pound beltholder really is. I realize that sparring is not the same thing as an actual fight. However, given what I’d heard and read about Golovkin (20-0, 17 knockouts), a 2003 world amateur champ and 2004 Olympic silver medalist who defeated the likes of Lucian Bute (by KO), Andre Dirrell and Andy Lee in the amateurs, I figured he could tell me more about Alvarez (36-0-1, 26 KOs) than the kid’s fights with faded old Carlos Baldomir and naturally smaller recent opponents such as Jose Cotto, Lovemore Ndou and Matthew Hatton. I was able to stave off my usual altitude sickness during the drive up to the remote San Bernardino mountain town with thoughts of all the hype I’ve heard on Golovkin in recent months. It began with a text message from Sam Garcia late last June. “Perro is getting lit up in sparring by this Russian dude!” read the text message from Garcia, an assistant trainer for junior lightweight prospect Eloy Perez, who frequently trains in Big Bear. “Perro,” of course, is Alfredo Angulo, the rugged junior middleweight contender who was preparing for his HBO-televised fight against Joachim Alcine last July when he locked horns with Golovkin at Sanchez‘s gym. Garcia later gave me a more-detailed account of the sparring session. Lightweight contender Urbano Antillon, who is trained by Sanchez, supported Garcia's story. A few months later I got a phone call from the producer of a Spanish-language sports show, who swore that he witnessed Golovkin "embarrass" Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. at the Wild Card gym during an open workout held for the Latino media a few weeks before the unbeaten middleweight pulled out of scheduled Dec. 4 card. A Wild Card regular who spotted me at the Alvarez-Hatton fight in Anaheim, Calif., this past March whispered that he saw Golovkin give undefeated super middleweight prospect Peter Quillin all he could handle at Roach’s famous boxing club. The producer and the gym rat didn’t want to go on record for fear of being banned from Wild Card, which is understandable (I guess), but Garcia, who watched Golovkin and Angulo spar in Big Bear, has no problem sharing his observations with his fellow boxing fans. “Alfredo Angulo is a very strong, very competitive, prideful guy who has a great team behind him, but Golovkin is on another level,” said Garcia, who says he watched three sparring sessions between the two over the course of one week. “His strength, his demeanor, his skill, everything he did in there was just too much for Angulo, which surprised the hell out of me. “I’ve seen Angulo spar many times before and he‘s always the one doing the hurting. He’s so damn tough I’ve never seen him take a step back, let alone get hurt. I was expecting him to test this Golovkin guy that I’d never seen before, but ‘Superman’ was in there taking and giving, and he hurt Angulo a couple times, especially to the body. Angulo had to get on his bike against Golovkin, which was just bizarre to see.” I didn’t know what to expect to see when I finally arrived to The Summit (along with ******.com videographer Daniel Morales and photographer Scott Kilbride), but I was ready to see it.

Link not working. Is it true that Golovkin put Canelo down in that session you're talking about? I thought I'd heard that before. No definitely not, it was pretty back and forth from what people who were there say. I will copy and past article.

Yes we all know.