RJ Perspective...

Prime Roy Jones KOs gg in 4 rounds

It was pretty obvious in the first Tarver fight that it was Roy's last gasp. That was such an important win for his career. People loved to talk about Roy not fighting any tough fights, so we had no idea if he could gut a tough win out. He not only did that, he did it clearly while physically gutted from the move back down. It was a great win for him.

roy really shoudl have waited 5 years and for tarver to be ko'd and then fought him. thats what the real greats do. fighting tarver in his prime after he had destroyed griffin, harding, and reggie johnson was not smart. and fighting him twice? come on roy this is a business we aint fighting to prove who's best or for the fans. It's threads like this, where daggum sh*t on Roy in one post and in the very next post defend him, that the prime daggum shows up. Dude posted for 7 years and had 23,000 posts before he began to slide.

We got these fcking idiots in here talking about Floyd and Manny in a RJJ thread? Get the fck outta here. Yep, some things never change.

Michael Nunn was the truth and Toney was getting thorouhly beaten until the knockdowns Stylistically in the early to mid 90s, Nunn had the best chance of upsetting Jones. He was tall, a southpaw, reminded me of a middleweight Ali until drugs took over....what a waist...IMO he beats all the middleweights of this era and Hopkins era too, including Hopkins who struggled with fighters his size or larger with speed and skills Yes, Nunn was great. A lot of people mention Hagler, but I definitely think Nunn would have been Roy's worst match up at MW. It's a shame how his career turned out.

Eubank would have got beat pretty bad. Calzaghe and Hopkins didnt grow a pair until Jones was lost those fights past 35 years old Calzaghe was just fine fighting nobodies in wales at 168 and Hopkins was fine fighting willie bo james and no names I agree, although I don't know if Roy would have beaten Eubank pretty bad. I think it would have been a pretty uneventful fight with Roy winning a decision. Yes, Joe was more than happy to repeatedly defend his WBO, SMW belt until his final year. According to HBO's Mark Taffet, Hopkins was offered $6m in 2002, for a 168 CW. Both of those guys were scavengers.

Yeah, I agree regarding Nunn. A lot of people do mention Gerald, and Jackson too. But I think Nunn, and at 154 when Roy was just starting out, Tommy Hearns and Mike McCallum. But again, I wouldn't have favoured anyone. Don't forget to ask him about his plans to write his autobiography. I've been waiting and wondering for YEARS! Ha! Cheers Ice. Michael Nunn was the truth and Toney was getting thorouhly beaten until the knockdowns Stylistically in the early to mid 90s, Nunn had the best chance of upsetting Jones. He was tall, a southpaw, reminded me of a middleweight Ali until drugs took over....what a waist...IMO he beats all the middleweights of this era and Hopkins era too, including Hopkins who struggled with fighters his size or larger with speed and skills

Yes, it was Sky Sports - The SMW's. Eubank said it would have been suicide fighting Roy in his prime, and he'd only have taken the fight if Roy had become his mandatory. Which of course would never have happened. I doubt Roy would have featured anywhere in the WBO's ratings. Eubank would have got beat pretty bad. Calzaghe and Hopkins didnt grow a pair until Jones was lost those fights past 35 years old Calzaghe was just fine fighting nobodies in wales at 168 and Hopkins was fine fighting willie bo james and no names

I would say for different reasons that at 160 Nunn would have the most realistic chance...at 168 I would think many would point to McCellan but I can never overlook G getting outboxed and somewhat neutralized by GOOD and tricky boxers like Dennis Milton and Ralph Ward but, of course, they werent "ROY" tricky and didnt have the power like RJ carried at the weight to keep someone like G honest... Yeah, I agree regarding Nunn. A lot of people do mention Gerald, and Jackson too. But I think Nunn, and at 154 when Roy was just starting out, Tommy Hearns and Mike McCallum. But again, I wouldn't have favoured anyone. Don't forget to ask him about his plans to write his autobiography. I've been waiting and wondering for YEARS! Ha! Cheers Ice.

There's a good few candidates, but I wouldn't have favoured anyone. Who would you pick? I would say for different reasons that at 160 Nunn would have the most realistic chance...at 168 I would think many would point to McCellan but I can never overlook G getting outboxed and somewhat neutralized by GOOD and tricky boxers like Dennis Milton and Ralph Ward but, of course, they werent "ROY" tricky and didnt have the power like RJ carried at the weight to keep someone like G honest...

Yeah, all credit to Vinny. He even complained when the ref stopped the fight. A true warrior. He moved up from LW to do something that guys like Calzaghe would never have done. Agreed! Paz was a great warrior!

on his best day... at his peak??? Who actually BEATS him at 160 - 168??????? There's a good few candidates, but I wouldn't have favoured anyone. Who would you pick?

I give Pazienza the big balls award for fighting Jones. Now that was impressive. Having the stones needed to step in and throw down! War Pazienza! Yeah, all credit to Vinny. He even complained when the ref stopped the fight. A true warrior. He moved up from LW to do something that guys like Calzaghe would never have done.

watch that British program where Collins, Jones, Calzaghe, Eubank talk about their era.....all those fighters knew they were gonna get that issue fighting a prime Jones and Toney in the 90s. Eubank outright said he'd have to be willing to get hurt bad to beat Jones and wanted to be very good but the best, not so much. When you're the most visible athlete, you take the blame but lets be real. People didnt call out Roy like they call out floyd because Roy had speed, power, was unorthodox and he taunted and would embarass you. Yes, it was Sky Sports - The SMW's. Eubank said it would have been suicide fighting Roy in his prime, and he'd only have taken the fight if Roy had become his mandatory. Which of course would never have happened. I doubt Roy would have featured anywhere in the WBO's ratings.

RJJ was better, more exciting. Floyd is not TBE! Neither is PAC nor Marquez. Roy made his competition look mediocre period! Yes, I agree.

Great post. Many people want to forget how ancient he was when Tarver KO'ed him. Athleticism and reflex won't carry you forever.

on his best day... at his peak??? Who actually BEATS him at 160 - 168???????

RJJ had not only phenomenal talent in his prime, but had and still has a warrior's heart. Most fighters would have retired after taking those devastating losses, but he brushed himself off and got back in the ring over and over again. He is motivated not by fame or money, but by the challenge of fighting and the love of the sport.

I give Pazienza the big balls award for fighting Jones. Now that was impressive. Having the stones needed to step in and throw down! War Pazienza!

PERSPECTIVE. Realize something about ROY JONES JR. This man was 35 YEARS OLD when he was stopped by Antonio Tarver. Think about that. Some people see him now and actually seem to really believe that he was never any good to begin because of the way his career has went for the last 11 years. But THINK about what I'm telling you: Until he was 35 YEARS OLD and a 50 fight veteran who had already been a pro for 15 YEARS when he got stopped by Antonio Tarver, this guy was pretty much one of the most untouchable dynamic forces boxing had ever seen. He was fighting professionally for 15 YEARS before his slide began. Most of the people who don't realize this have no knowledge of Roy Jones jr career prior to Tarver or Ruiz.