Says something along the lines of - beating a fighter isn't proof you are better in a P4P sense. If GGG beat Mayweather in a fight that was in any way competitive, he'd still consider Mayweather the better P4P fighter because it took more for Floyd to move up that many times and be competitive in a fight than it did for GGG to take on a smaller man and win. Similarly he believes that since Pacquiao, as the former lineal flyweight champion, had to move up more times to make it to WW that what he did in winning some rounds against Floyd was more impressive in his opinion than Floyd winning against the naturally smaller fighter. Says Pacquiao being a top fighter at WW, as a former flyweight, would be like Floyd, a former SFW, being a top fighter at SMW.
I don't agree personally, but figured why not make the thread anyway since the video has like no views and the original statement from Kellerman had prompted a lot of discussion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CmWUbGR1WQ
What I do find funny is that many, including Kellerman and most around here, were saying how this fight would determine who the greatest of this era was. Now, seems like most on the other side suddenly have short memories since things didn't turn out as expected. Not that im surprised tho.
Yep. We all knew that fight was for all the marbles. Losers started acting like it wasn't because it didn't go the way they wanted it to.
It's more than solely winning rounds though, some rounds can be more competitive than others, that isn't to say that Mosley was competitive with Pacquiao because he was NOT. Simply saying, after the second round, Mayweather had no problems finding Mosley at all and he began to toy with him. As for 10-8, not even close to a 10-8 and Mayweather finished the round strong as well.
I can see why someone would score the fight 10-8 in the round where Shane hurt Floyd. You'd only subscribe to that line of thinking if you hold Floyd to ungodly standards. To the point where you say since Floyd wins his fights in such dominating fashion, that the one time where he gets caught square on the chin and hit on the temple that its so rare of a feat that you'd have to credit Shane for doing something so few people have done and thats leave Floyd wobbly. Even then, Floyd had such a calming look on his face and his feet was so well grounded, even as they were wobbly that he was still in complete control.
Brother Nazim was right, he said you only got a small window to catch FM because for all the slick stuff people say, he's a fighter and he will get hit in the mouth, grow wings and turn into a dragon. I wish i could see that episode of 24/7 right now.
I can see why someone would score the fight 10-8 in the round where Shane hurt Floyd. You'd only subscribe to that line of thinking if you hold Floyd to ungodly standards. To the point where you say since Floyd wins his fights in such dominating fashion, that the one time where he gets caught square on the chin and hit on the temple that its so rare of a feat that you'd have to credit Shane for doing something so few people have done and thats leave Floyd wobbly. Even then, Floyd had such a calming look on his face and his feet was so well grounded, even as they were wobbly that he was still in complete control.
Brother Nazim was right, he said you only got a small window to catch FM because for all the slick stuff people say, he's a fighter and he will get hit in the mouth, grow wings and turn into a dragon. I wish i could see that episode of 24/7 right now.
Maywrather looks bigger because he's longer and top heavy. Pac has all his weight in his legs. They are just about the same size. Floyd nay be a little bigger but that's about it.
What weight did poac start his career? Plus Floyd has physical advantages like height and reach
People being SENSITIVE over other peoples opinion is just WEIRD to me. I'm a fan of Kellerman, just not a fan of his Post Fight Interviews which are terrible, he likes to guide fighters to the answer HBO wants that is my only issue with Kellerman but other than that regardless if he "NEVER PUT ON GLOVES" Kellerman knows his Boxing!
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Pacquiao being a so much smaller naturally than Mayweather is a myth.
Maywrather looks bigger because he's longer and top heavy. Pac has all his weight in his legs. They are just about the same size. Floyd nay be a little bigger but that's about it.
pac
5 division lineal champ
8 division champ
fighter of the decade
floyd
3 division lineal champ
5 division champ
distant 2nd nominee fghter of the decade.
very simple and clear who's the best.
I remember talks of a 10-8 rd for Mosley vs Mayweather since he hurt him not once but twice in one round.
http://radiooldies.net/floyd-mayweather-vs-shane-mosley-result/4037/
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2010/05/mayweather-vs-mosley-round-by-round-updates.html
Thought Lederman gave him a 10-8, but he didn't. Either way, I don't really care if Pacquiao didn't put on the perfect technical display and how pretty he looked doing it, it could've been Bradley in his wild winging mode(think Alexander fight) all night. If he won the rounds he won the rounds, he wasn't getting hit much, it wasn't back and forth, he was just beating Mosley up.
It's more than solely winning rounds though, some rounds can be more competitive than others, that isn't to say that Mosley was competitive with Pacquiao because he was NOT. Simply saying, after the second round, Mayweather had no problems finding Mosley at all and he began to toy with him. As for 10-8, not even close to a 10-8 and Mayweather finished the round strong as well.
Floyd is great, but not perfect in my view. He never fought a bigger guy than him. Did he? Even Canelo's frame was the same size. Floyd also seemed to avoid bigger guys with range and reach -- Margarito, P. Williams.
Many of Floyd's wins were against smaller cats. I think he managed his boxing career very intelligently -- as Kellerman points out. Doing a fake early retirement and so forth.
I like floyd but he's the most overhyped boxer I've ever known.
The problem with his logic is that he himself said, "whoever wins the May 2nd fight would be the best of this era." So now it doesn't count?
His opinion becomes BS when he contradicts his own statements.
Well you can change your mind, or come to your senses like kellerman has in this instance Especially when your last win is against berto.
I disagree with Max because he makes it sound like Floyd is and always was way bigger when I disagree. I always bring up how Floyd was fighting Zab at WW and coming into the ring at 146 pounds while Pac was at 130 but coming into the ring at 145 pounds. They were basically the same weight in the ring despite Floyd being in a much higher weight class. Therefore either Pac is close to the same size as Floyd or maybe Pac only won some of those fights because he was bigger and stronger than the guys in his class. I know physically he made Morales look like a lil boy in the 2nd and 3rd fights
It's not about pounds and weight only. Floyd has a big frame and a long reach. It's an advantage he's always taken care to keep through careful management. You didn't see Floyd taking on Williams or Margarito for a very good reason.
Floyd likes those 140 guys coming up. Little dinky opponents.
It's his opinion of course but his logic is not a whole lot different than people ranking Roberto Duran in the top 10 p4p of all time, above Hagler, Hearns & SRL.
The problem with his logic is that he himself said, "whoever wins the May 2nd fight would be the best of this era." So now it doesn't count?
His opinion becomes BS when he contradicts his own statements.
What I do find funny is that many, including Kellerman and most around here, were saying how this fight would determine who the greatest of this era was. Now, seems like most on the other side suddenly have short memories since things didn't turn out as expected. Not that im surprised tho.
Exactly.
All these stupid excuses. These bet their souls on Pac winning and ran their mouths saying how Pac being Floyd will prove he is the best of this era.
He lost, so now it doesn't matter?
Excuses excuses excuses.
I disagree with Max because he makes it sound like Floyd is and always was way bigger when I disagree. I always bring up how Floyd was fighting Zab at WW and coming into the ring at 146 pounds while Pac was at 130 but coming into the ring at 145 pounds. They were basically the same weight in the ring despite Floyd being in a much higher weight class. Therefore either Pac is close to the same size as Floyd or maybe Pac only won some of those fights because he was bigger and stronger than the guys in his class. I know physically he made Morales look like a lil boy in the 2nd and 3rd fights
Floyd is great, but not perfect in my view. He never fought a bigger guy than him. Did he? Even Canelo's frame was the same size. Floyd also seemed to avoid bigger guys with range and reach -- Margarito, P. Williams.
Many of Floyd's wins were against smaller cats. I think he managed his boxing career very intelligently -- as Kellerman points out. Doing a fake early retirement and so forth.
Well when you have posters who say dumb **** like this then you know why it's pointless to debate on boxingscene.
Floyd is great, but not perfect in my view. He never fought a bigger guy than him. Did he? Even Canelo's frame was the same size. Floyd also seemed to avoid bigger guys with range and reach -- Margarito, P. Williams.
Many of Floyd's wins were against smaller cats. I think he managed his boxing career very intelligently -- as Kellerman points out. Doing a fake early retirement and so forth.
Pac took risks and fought everyone. No Amount of spin can change that.
Definitely the Best of this Era.
When assessing a Resume, all One has to do is look at Names and when one fought those names. That's it.
In that respect, Pac is Superior compared to Floyd. I realise this is an emotional topic for a lot of people and some will let their Emotions override Critical thinking, but It is what It is.
10-8 round for landing two clean punches and one of them rocking him?
Never heard that described as a 10-8 round in my life.
And how you wins the round makes a big difference. Two guys can win fights 12-0 one can look impressive one can look not so impressive. Mayweather-Mosley and Pacquaio-Mosley is an example of that.
Impressive or not, Pacquiao dominated. Like I said, it wasn't back and forth, Mosley was in survival mode and Pacquiao was just beating him up.
What I do find funny is that many, including Kellerman and most around here, were saying how this fight would determine who the greatest of this era was. Now, seems like most on the other side suddenly have short memories since things didn't turn out as expected. Not that im surprised tho.