Do you still rank Bradley as the #2 ww?

I previously thought Bradley would just edge brook in a split decision type of fight but i now think Brook beats him, and beats everybody par pacquiao. If Manny retires i think Brook is the best 147er out there. Brook might beat the worn bradlley now. Bradley sacrificed a lot to get his reputztion and to get where he is now

Tim drew with Chaves only on paper, everyone had him winning clear cut. Just like Pac vs Bradley 1. Marquez of course was coming off the greatest welter win in a while. Vargas didn't have a welter resume, but turns out he's also better than anyone the other guys have beaten, excluding Porter say. When you put it all together (add Prov, Chaves, Rios, Abregu), his welter resume is much stronger and deeper than any of those guys No argument there, I actually agree with what you're saying. My point is that we need H2H match ups to get a clear top 1 at WW. And most of the fights can't be made because of politics. Bradley has a better resume at WW than those guy but they don't have a chance to fight him and Pac to see where they stand which is unfortunate.

You're right, but Bradley is 0-3 against Manny, has a draw against Chaves (who Thurman stopped), and all his welter weight wins come against non-established welterweights like Marquez, Rios, Ruslan, and Vargas. What I'm saying is that too many fights that can't be made prevent us from clearly stating who the top 2 guys at welterweight really are. Tim drew with Chaves only on paper, everyone had him winning clear cut. Just like Pac vs Bradley 1. Marquez of course was coming off the greatest welter win in a while. Vargas didn't have a welter resume, but turns out he's also better than anyone the other guys have beaten, excluding Porter say. When you put it all together (add Prov, Chaves, Rios, Abregu), his welter resume is much stronger and deeper than any of those guys

When Crawford officially moves up to 147 he's got to be up there too. Mad Skills!!

I previously thought Bradley would just edge brook in a split decision type of fight but i now think Brook beats him, and beats everybody par pacquiao. If Manny retires i think Brook is the best 147er out there.

Take Thurman, Brook, Khan and Garcia. What are their 3 best welter wins, combined? 1. Porter 2. Guerrero vs Thurman, weak welter, borderline top 10 3. ?? Jojo Dan? Even Bradley's welter output is much better You're right, but Bradley is 0-3 against Manny, has a draw against Chaves (who Thurman stopped), and all his welter weight wins come against non-established welterweights like Marquez, Rios, Ruslan, and Vargas. What I'm saying is that too many fights that can't be made prevent us from clearly stating who the top 2 guys at welterweight really are.

After Pac, probably Thurman or Brook at #2 ww

I thought you could make a case that Thurman and Brook could've been ahead of Manny and/or Tim. As of now, I think tim falls to 3 behind Thurman and Brook. Is anything you say sincere? You don't want PAC to be 5 time lineal so of course you'd come out with this! Who has brook beat? He beat porter and then fought bums since. Bradley did at least beat jmm, and has only lost to PAC. All Thurman and brook have to do is beat Bradley the top 10 PFP fighter, top5 not long ago

Currently I'd have it : Pac (dlh, cotto, clottey, mosley, marquez, Bradley, rios, Algieri) Bradley(abregu, pac, provo, marquez, chaves vargas, rios) Brook (porter) Thurman (chaves, guerrero, collazo) Porter (alexander, malignaggi, broner) Garcia (peterson, guerrero) Khan (alexander, Algieri) Vargas(ali) Spence (no one yet)

Just like before the fight, the 147 division is wide open. The only guy head and shoulders above the rest is Pacquaio.

Still in the top 5. Before Pac he beat Vargas, sent Rios briefly into retirement crying and didn't look that bad in the Pac fight. Anybody that says that he is over-rated should compare the list of people that he has fought and beat to any current top WW

Right after pac, rankings are a complete and utter mess due to the division. You can make a case for several guys being #2-5

I agree, the only thing clear was that Floyd was by far number one. I don't know how everybody just concluded that Manny and Bradley became number 1 and 2. Now Manny is clearly the top guy because he beats Bradley for the third time? Lol neither guy will ever fight Thurman, Maidana, Porter, Brook, Khan, or Garcia so we'll never have a clear order. Take Thurman, Brook, Khan and Garcia. What are their 3 best welter wins, combined? 1. Porter 2. Guerrero vs Thurman, weak welter, borderline top 10 3. ?? Jojo Dan? Even Bradley's welter output is much better

Nope. The division is, and was in too much of a mess. All we knew was Floyd was #1 prior to retiring. I agree, the only thing clear was that Floyd was by far number one. I don't know how everybody just concluded that Manny and Bradley became number 1 and 2. Now Manny is clearly the top guy because he beats Bradley for the third time? Lol neither guy will ever fight Thurman, Maidana, Porter, Brook, Khan, or Garcia so we'll never have a clear order.

I'm not suggesting we shit on them for losing. I am just saying losing has to matter. In this climate-only Tim and JMM will get a shot at Manny. The loser shouldn't get to stay at 2 because of the resume after a loss. How does Thurman or Brook ever get to #1 if #1 never fights them and keeps beating everyone he does fight, except the champ? Bradley's resume is better but he is miles behind Manny. Can we say the same for Brook and Thurman if they never get to fight JMM, Manny or Tim? Losing matters but who it is and how you lose also matter. Anyways. I've said for a long time that Floyd and Manny should of already fought the kids, but they did'nt, and their rankings had nothing to do with it. So the kids should of been fighting each other, but they hav'nt been, for the most part. All of them looking for that payday that never materialized. Am I really suppose to move Thurman ahead of Bradley because Bradley lost to Pac when Thurman's last wins were versus Collazo and Guerrero and the next time he steps in the ring versus Porter, it will be nearly a year since he fought. Versus Bradley with wins over Vargas and Rios and an L to Pac in the time frame that Thurman has been inactive. What about that qualifies Thurman to move ahead of Bradley in rankings? And Brook? His fights are'nt even worth mentioning since he beat Porter 2 years ago. Anyways this argument is a moot point. With Floyd and Manny gone these guys will actually have to fight each other now. No matter what ranking system you look at all of them are somewhere in or around the top 5. By all of them I mean Bradley, Thurman, Garcia, Brook, Vargas, Porter, Khan and I'll throw Spence in as a wild card.

Nope. The division is, and was in too much of a mess. All we knew was Floyd was #1 prior to retiring.

Because I simply don't **** on guys for taking an L here or there when they are taking tough fights. In all honesty I believe Thurman and Brook are the two best welterweights, but that is based on what I see in the ring not on what they have actually accomplished. Brook's best win is Porter and Thurman's is Chavez. Tim has at least two wins that are better than those and arguably a couple of other wins that would at least be on par with those wins. Its not even ****ing close imo. I'm not suggesting we shit on them for losing. I am just saying losing has to matter. In this climate-only Tim and JMM will get a shot at Manny. The loser shouldn't get to stay at 2 because of the resume after a loss. How does Thurman or Brook ever get to #1 if #1 never fights them and keeps beating everyone he does fight, except the champ? Bradley's resume is better but he is miles behind Manny. Can we say the same for Brook and Thurman if they never get to fight JMM, Manny or Tim?

That's like saying Maidana should be on the list because he did the best against Mayweather. :dunce: Maidana has never beaten anyone worth sht though. Bradley ruled at 140 and beat Roidquez. Roidquez is one in the mix.

Bradley does not belong on that list at all..lol He does, because besides Marquez, Bradley the next in line to have the closest battle with Pacquiao in that second fight. All the other welterweights and jnr welterweights were completely dominated. Well. Not if the list is about best of an era, but he's in that mix with those names, since he beat JMM and actually gave Pacquiao a fight.

Yes, he is #2. The best fighters in this era are Mayweather, Pacquiao, Cotto, Marquez, and Timothy Bradley. His resume speaks for itself. No welterweight could have beaten the Manny Pacquiao that showed up Saturday night. Tim beats everyone in the top 10 at 147. He has too much big fight experience and too many championship intangibles for the rest. Bradley does not belong on that list at all..lol