Floyd a hypocrite :called AB a cherry picker

You beat me to it I said the same thing. I mean look at a guy like ODLH who Floyd was jealous of all his career. Criticize Oscar all you want(fishnets, coke or whatever) but look at who he fought and when he fought them. He fought a prime killer in Trinidad, prime and juiced up Mosley, prime Quartey, a juiced up killer in Vargas, a very good prime Oba Carr, Knocked out a prime Genero Hernandez years before Floyd fought him, KO'ed a very great fighter in Rafael Ruelas, and fought but lost to a young(for him) Hopkins. He may have taken some L's but dude tried and dared to be great along the lines of SRL, SRR, Ali and those guys. Its very hard to make that same statement with Floyd. Floyd fought some very good fighters but its all about when he fought them. Giving credit to Floyd for fighting Mosley, Pacman, and Cotto when he fought them, is the same as giving Oscar credit saying he fought the best Chavez Sr. The problem with calling FM's fights cherrypicks is that most of the time, people didn't start saying that until after the fight was over. It's revisionist history. Cotto, for example, was 31 and coming off a stoppage of Margarito when Floyd fought him. Not a spring chicken but far from shot, Cotto's only losses to that point were to Margarito and Pac. Before the fight, very few were saying that Cotto was washed up...and after the fight, no one said that was a shot Cotto. But years later - now that Cotto has faded - all of a sudden the 2012 Cotto was a cherrypick. Similarly, Mosley was coming off a TKO win over Mayorga and a KO of Margarito when he fought Floyd. At that point, Shane's only losses were a decision loss to Cotto three years earlier and decision losses to Wright and Forrest more than six years earlier. With Mosley just having destroyed Margarito, no one was saying that it was a cherrypick easy fight for Floyd going into the event - and betting odds were at the lower end of the spectrum compared to other Mayweather fights. But now, almost six years later, with Mosley having lost three more times, people look back at say Mosley was cherrypicked. If Floyd was cherrypicking, he was doing a bad job of it, as no one thought those fights were cherrypicks going into them. It wasn't until years later that the narrative changed.

Its all good dude. If you are content with who he fought then thats cool with me. But from where I come from I can recognize how much more superior he was against those last 13 defenses. In those last 13 fights where you say they were all champions(in this day in age of many belt holders I call them titlist instead of champions) he was always the overwhelming favorite to win. Did he have guys saying he would lose, yea, but most of them were coming from a sour position towards FLoyds. He was so superior that he never was an underdog, so I was always wanting to see where Floyds ceiling was and really push his skills to the ultimate limit. And IMO he failed in that department and is the main reason even though he is 49-0, he is only ranked around 20th All-Time. That has always been and will always be my biggest gripe toward Floyd. I can recognize he is an amazing fighter and a great and I will never and have never knocked his skill but I wanted him to push himself into truly significant fights. Fights where I thought damn dude is really taking his legacy serious, but instead we got the businessman Floyd and he only fought for the money. I wanted him in fights that really pushed his skill to the limit and pushed his all-time status to the limit. And regardless of how bad I think this generation of boxing is there were fights out there that could have push him even farther. But like I said if you are content with his record and who he fought then its all good. I cant knock you or his fanboys on that, since for the majority of his fans Floyds is the only thing they know when it comes to boxing so of course to yall hes amazing and no one is better. so you hold him being a level over his contemporaries against him? Honestly, if he fought back in the day, he'd be fighting people closer to his size because of same day weigh in...he probably would have been more dominant I under stand where you are coming from...its hard to compare era's....though do you hold that against Roy jones...he never lost in his prime except for dq...Ray Robinson....only lost 1 fight in over 100 something because you had to be bigger to beat him.......if you are as great as they are/were you'll never be the under dog until you lose a step or take a loss whitaker had no rivals.....pep didnt either til he lost a step...not their fault they were so good if anything their dominance over their era should add to their legacy...not their fault they were so good

Floyd beat everybody at the right "time". mayweather must be a black highlander that never ages...excuses, excuses, excuses

Ok I'll list it for you. Oscar beat the crap out of and ko'ed a prime genero Hernandez years before Floyd fought him. He arguably beat Tito, he beat Quartey, beat Oba Carr, fought a primed roided Mosely which I scored a Oscar winning the first and a draw in the rematch but never the less Mosely was prime and need I remind you roided up(fact), beat a young roided killer in Vargas, beat and ko'ed a very gear fighter in Rafael Ruelas, and lost to a young(for him) Hopkins in a good effort trying to winning the real middleweight title. Oscar took risk to try and be a true all time great fighter only Floyd could dream about. Oscar lost and won some and as a real true blue boxing fan I have more pride in Oscar resume over Floyds all day long. Come on, bruh. Oba Carr never wore a belt and lost every big fight he had (Tito, Quartey) prior to ODLH. He was solid and could be fun (especially the Bramble fight - which probably should have been a loss for him), but if he didn't have 'KRONK' on the back of his robe, he'd have never gotten as much pub or title shots. He's a Victor Ortiz level win for ODLH, at best.

I cant believe Naseem Hamed is only 22nd on the list. Personally I dont think Golovkin,Gonzalez or Klitschko should be on the list. Morales only 18th...It will be interesting who they put in the next 15 p4p fighters.

Floyd beat everybody at the right "time".

This stupid discussion again? Who did he cherrypick?

Cotto, Canelo, Pacquiao, Mosley, Hatton, Corrales, De La Hoya, Marquez, Judah etc. etc. etc. I don't care what anybody says, to go through a 19 year career against the names he did whatever stage they were at and not be beaten, turn up and have an off night, get caught with a shot that ko's you or whatever else, that is an incredible achievement.. At the end of the day, a lot of his opponents took wins and losses from each other, prime or no prime, yet Floyd stood alone and beat them all.

He carefully match made his career after beating part time old oscar. Yet he calls AB a cherry picker. TmT has a cherry picking moto Along with guys who get caught cheating. ya the whole floyd is a cherry picker thing is dumb now. if floyd is a cherry picker so is pretty much every great champion ever. also broner might be taking easier fights now but anyone who jumps 2 weight classes and fights maidana in their second fight is no cherry picker

I love how fighters are labelled "past their prime, too old or green and too young" from the time they sign to fight Mayweather until they lose then they somehow become seasoned and rejuvenated afterwards.

I'll agree with you as far as Floyd not being that same kind of fighter he was when he best Corrales and Castillo in the rematch. I was a huge Floyd watcher back then. But for me post 06, Floyd turned into a businessman instead of a fighter and to me that hurt him as far as his all time status goes. I'm a guy who loves competition and loves watching competition. And when I'm a fan of a guy I want them to push themselves to there ultimate ability. Maybe you are content with Floyds competition but for me I thought he was so superior to other fighters of this generation that I wanted to see him push himself into a fight where I said "damn he is fighting who". Now with the competition of boxing being as sad as it was these last 10 years I know it's not all his fault that the competition for him was not out there. But there were fights that could have been made that could have taken his career even farther than it was, i.e. fighting for the middleweight title. Dude I'm huge boxing fan who hadn't been all that excited about boxing in years. And to tell you the truth I spend more time on these boards talking boxing than actually watching it because for me it's more exciting talking about it than actually watching it these. That's how sad I think boxing is been these last few years. Yea watching chacon-limon was and will always be my highlight of my boxing fan career. I remember it being smokey and the crowd being ravenous. I'm a lucky dude being that my first live boxing fight happen to be one of the best fights of all time. Late 70's to late 90's Sacramento was a hotbed for boxing. It's was great. i see why you are bombed as far as how boxing is today. You were a fan at the end of a golden age...fights were cheap to attend live, championship fights on ABC and CBS, PPV was the end all be all for big fights. Its ironic people criticize Mayweathers opponents past 2006 but they dont realize the guy ended his career fighting and beating 13 world champions and titlists in a row...if thats cherrypicking he not only mastered it, he refined the art with quality opposition with maximum income. Also when he retired in 07, he came back almost 2 years out of the ring and beat the lightweight champion, JMM.....Regained the lineal title at 147 from Mosley, gained the 154 title and lineage from Canelito and won the biggest financial fight in history. Unified and simaltaneously held the lineal title at 147 and 154. I dont see how that hurt his legacy. He retired with hall of fame credentials and did nothing but add to them from 09-15. It added to his legacy I cant see how you think it hurt his legacy Also Arum prevented a lot of the fights were wanted because he hand hands in these fights. Mayweather vs Mosley could have happened in the 90s, ODLH vs Mayweather, Cotto all happened soon as they had control over their own careers. Thats no coincidence. Promoters have more control than the fighters.

Dude Oscar won the Trinidad fight on the majority of the boxing historians and writers out there. It was a close fight and ive watched that fight a few times and I never came away with Tito winning. But as I said Oscar fighting Tito at the time and losing a very very controversial decision trumps any win that Floyd. Floyd never fought as many in there prime killers as Oscar has. Oscar resume is the best In the last 30 years hands down.[/QUOTE tito vs dlh was no robbery.....i don't think tito won but it wasn't a robbery. dlh did fight great fighters but he lost to most of them at the end of the day......L's don't count. and you guys love to cry about the floyd vs jlc fight but dlh has a bunch of gifts himself.

In 20 years people will be talking about Mayweather's run and how he won every BIG fight he was in. How cool he kept under immense pressure and how he absolutely dominated his opponents. People forget how absolutely difficult it is to keep your focus when you're on top. Knowing that any fighter you go up against is going to be bringing his absolute best that night under the bright lights.

Ortiz and Guerrero were P4P fighters when he fought them? Really? Damn dude I know Floyd is your GOD but saying that about those to is laughable. Yes they were belt holders when he fought them but P4P. ROFLMAOguerrero was on the p4p list....look it up. i never said ortiz was.

Since 96, ODLH resume sh its on Floyd by a long shot. I'll put up Oscars very very controversial loss to Trinidad over anything that Floyd did. lmao.....that's because you're criteria on ranking resumes is screwed up. losses count against your resume.

You are emotional. You told me to gtfoh because I stated an opinion different than yours. I've called you a b1tch now because your previous comment confirmed you're an emotional broad. you came in here *****posting so you got that response......didn't name call you or take it personal but whatever. my point stands. this is a boxing forum, you exposed yourself as someone who dksab so you got called out.

lmao, you're lame as hell, i'm emotional but you ran up in this thread with your bleeding tampon crying like a b1tch with you're name calling instead of talking boxing......there is no reputable list that has lewis over floyd. deal with it. You are emotional. You told me to gtfoh because I stated an opinion different than yours. I've called you a b1tch now because your previous comment confirmed you're an emotional broad.

It actually doesnt hurt me. Only a pathetic emotional b1tch like you catches feelings over fighters. I've said repeatedly that Floyd is one of the best I've ever seen doesn't mean he's better than Lewis. You're a child you have no idea about who Lewis fought and who they were. You have no context. lmao, you're lame as hell, i'm emotional but you ran up in this thread with your bleeding tampon crying like a b1tch with you're name calling instead of talking boxing......there is no reputable list that has lewis over floyd. deal with it.

lmao, face it......he doesn't have a better resume. i don't care if he was a heavyweight. You mention Oritz and Guerrero(who was p4p when floyd fought him) as if those were the only two fighters floyd fought in his career, when those wins wouldn't even be in his top 10 best wins. it hurts your little feeling that floyd is that great lmao. It actually doesnt hurt me. Only a pathetic emotional b1tch like you catches feelings over fighters. I've said repeatedly that Floyd is one of the best I've ever seen doesn't mean he's better than Lewis. You're a child you have no idea about who Lewis fought and who they were. You have no context.

You're right arguably the best heavyweight of the last 25 years couldn't possibly have a better resume than your idol. You were still wetting your bed when he was destroying guys like grant and golota. Fighters much better than Ortiz, Guerrero. lmao, face it......he doesn't have a better resume. i don't care if he was a heavyweight. You mention Oritz and Guerrero(who was p4p when floyd fought him) as if those were the only two fighters floyd fought in his career, those wins wouldn't even be in his top 10 best wins. grant and golota were b level so let not act as if the were hof fighters. it hurts your little feeling that floyd is that great lmao.