Once you reach the pinnacle of a sport and reach a legendary status it becomes hard to be surpassed. For example, it is exoterically percieved to the general public that Michael Jordan will forever be the greatest basketball player of all time; that is hard to argue against no matter who is on top of the game today. Guys like Kobe Bryant and Lebron James will forever be in his shadow. Whether it is true or not, people will always sway to Jordan no matter the circumstance, but that is another topic entirely.
This brings me to Muhammad Ali, the general consensus of any casual fan will always say he is the greatest boxer of all time.
Furthermore, to most "hardcore" boxing fans, many will say Sugar Ray Robinson holds that title. Has it become a norm to throw Robinson's name out there because every other "hardcore" boxing fans say so? Does it seem like no one wants to dispute that statement out of fear of being ridiculed in the boxing community and to be dissmissed with the statement "You don't know SHlT about boxing"? I'm not undermining Sugar's natural raw ability and inimitable talent & impressive amateur career, but it could it be the reason why he flourished so well was because of the era he was in. I can't really speak about that era he fought because I was not alive in that time, but it seems to me he fought in era where fighters weren't so "sweet". I've seen quite a few of his professional bouts and many highlights of his and although he had immeasurable power in both hands and had a wide variety of punches in his arsenal, I just don't see how he is the greatest of all time. His boxing IQ was good, but it didn't seem elite. Don't get me wrong, I think he would be a threat in any era, but I personally feel Marvin Hagler & Hopkins would have beaten him. Can someone give me logical and legit reasons as why he is labled "Greatest of All Time" to many hardcore boxing fans and convince me as to why he has earn that title. Your input is highly appreciated. Thank you.
Look up him vs sammy angott george cliff tony freddie valentine andy nonnels and tony ancona Dykes,same obsolete tech and flaws as the older one that fought gene/jake/joey and others
Ray and this era look to be very overextending a lot of times to the body and are very hesitant in most movements. They don't fight from range much,they leave themselves open a lot of times, and a lot of times they will just throw to the body and not protect themselves. The Carlos era were able to protect the body with 1 hand while punching to the body. along with all the other advances in movement, along with being way smoother in movements the ray era They use mostly counters when up close. The lateral movement is very basic. They don't seem to be able to punch from range while doing it smoothly. They have to stop then punch most of the time. Their feet are mostly tiptoeing.
it's amazing how fans of boxers today figthing once and twice a year to bull**** inferior competition, call a man with over about 200 fights overrated. The same fighter that fought almost 10 fights during a year in his 40s. . That **** isn't making any sense whatsoever to me. Boxers back in the day fought a LOT. There was no turning pro and getting a title shot from one of the 8 belts within 17 weight classes. ONE belt, with limited weight classes. In many cases, you have to have damn near 40 fights before even considered for a title shot. When people don't know **** about the history of something they are trying to discuss, it shows..
Your crazy and slow the reason they fought that much is cause they needed the cash and the era was full of trash idiot of course they would fight that much
Would he be able to fight all skilled boxers that much of course not his body would need to recover just like they needed since 70s no other era has fought that many times on a daily cause their fighting high comp and they fought using way more energy like your really slow as to why this needs to be explained to you when it should be obvious
Every person he fought never would make pro in 70s do you see that all your doing is bragging on a man facing unskilled fighters who never would make it to the amateurs in 70s idiot
and where did you get inferior from you crazy person the way they fight today is way more advanced then 40s
it's amazing how fans of boxers today figthing once and twice a year to bullsh*t inferior competition, call a man with over about 200 fights overrated. The same fighter that fought almost 10 fights during a year in his 40s. . That sh*t isn't making any sense whatsoever to me. Boxers back in the day fought a LOT. There was no turning pro and getting a title shot from one of the 8 belts within 17 weight classes. ONE belt, with limited weight classes. In many cases, you have to have damn near 40 fights before even considered for a title shot. When people don't know shit about the history of something they are trying to discuss, it shows..
well there were other top athletes around in rays time too, one by the name of pele, do u also think this guy was basic and flawed too?
the brazil teams of now dont even come close to those guys, i dont know about boxing participation rates back in the 50's but if they were higher than today (and its low today as a sport) then there were athletes at the top & good ones too
I dont think anything video shows these people were like I said they were and yes pale is really basic and flawed compared to 70s
nba athletes use more movement and are smoother in 70s compared to 40s in the 40s it looks horrible they are way slower and are really simple just as I explained which video shows of how boxing was it looks really simple and flawed compared to 70s-now
Your really slow ali was being polite you think Ali couldn't see how basic and flawed ray was
well there were other top athletes around in rays time too, one by the name of pele, do u also think this guy was basic and flawed too?
the brazil teams of now dont even come close to those guys, i dont know about boxing participation rates back in the 50's but if they were higher than today (and its low today as a sport) then there were athletes at the top & good ones too
Mayweather fanboys like you always have a problem with old time fighters because you think they're preventing Mayweather from having the universal adulation you think he deserves. He prioritised money over legacy but acted like he didn't - that's why people don't like him. Get over it.
Your crazy find where I said anything that implied anything like that
cause I said mutiple boxers so you either have hallucinations or cant read good
Oh look, some random guy on the internet claims to know Muhammad Ali's private thoughts. Amazing.
Oh look some random guy who is slow he thinks what ali said goes over video crazy idiot and ali as I said was being polite your slow
The man fought in a more advanced era you really think he seen any of those dudes skilled enough to compete in his of course not
the reason ali said that was cause of his record you crazy person so its obvious if those guys who wouldnt never struggle as ray did and would beat every opponent way faster then he did and go undefeated
Would guarantee ali would think of those dudes greater
crazy person try talking to me with some sense
I can if he had seen them cause I know they would go undefeated had they fought in rays time
its hard to compare era's, not a level playing field, u fight against guys doing something similar to u i presume for the most part, training, number of fights, nutrition etc, yes athletes are getting better and faster and more professional u can see from other sports but talent is talent maybe & can be trained and molded. guys from the 80's and before in other sports are still heros to their fans, so why not before that too
If a modern champion fought as many bums as SRR did consistently, he would get slated
Sure would but these crazy idiots celebrate that as if ray fought all skilled dudes odd
Muhammad Ali called Sugar Ray "the king, the master, my idol."
cant see him saying that about some of those guys
I can if he had seen them cause I know they would go undefeated had they fought in rays time
Your really slow ali was being polite you think Ali couldn't see how basic and flawed ray was
and if you really think you see ray as skilled as those guys you need your vision checked he was nothing close to advanced as those guys or as smooth in his movement as I said he looks amateurish
he wouldnt even beat the people in the amateur who khan rob and others fought since they were more more advanced then ray ever was
Ray looks really horrible when we compare him to 70s fighters let alone 90s
Muhammad Ali called Sugar Ray "the king, the master, my idol."
cant see him saying that about some of those guys
He can be beat h2h, but it takes more than that. Boxing historians and fans want fighters to put it on the line as many times as he did and win as many as he did. Like winning 70 fights in a row is wow isnt it, even if they are bums. You can fight 70 bums but most would likely have an off night and lose.
And yet people slate Floyd for getting to 49-0 with about half of those fights against current or former champions and never having a real off night, never switching off and getting wiped out with a shot or anything
Sugar Ray Robinson is everything that they say he is. You should watch a biography on him or watch his fights. But you have to compare him to the fighters of his time. When a fighter is very good, as was Sugar, people start imitating him. People also start developing ways to negate what he did well. So would he do as well now as he had back then? I don't think so. I think he'd have a harder time in a different decade, only because combat sports is always in a constant state of evolution.
It's hard to take the ridiculous record padding from most of the olden day fighters seriously. Truth be told, his resume was nothing special, and he lost a lot of fights. He even drew with someone who was like W20 L20 or something very similar, when he was approx 28. Hardly a master boxer if you are losing round after round in his prime vs a punchbag. No way would he beat the likes of Amir "King" Khan, or Robert "the Ghost" Guerrero. Cash in
he wouldnt even beat the people in the amateur who khan rob and others fought since they were more more advanced then ray ever was
Ray looks really horrible when we compare him to 70s fighters let alone 90s
he may well be over rated by the people who rate him & under rated by the people who dont rate him or he may be rated just about right by most people
No he is overrated bad said he could beat the likes of people in 70s-90s who he never had to face on the skill level of those guys or himself was as advanced as those era's the man looks really amateurish compared
He can be beat h2h, but it takes more than that. Boxing historians and fans want fighters to put it on the line as many times as he did and win as many as he did. Like winning 70 fights in a row is wow isnt it, even if they are bums. You can fight 70 bums but most would likely have an off night and lose.
Well I ask the question is why did he win that many in a row answer that for me
It's hard to take the ridiculous record padding from most of the olden day fighters seriously. Truth be told, his resume was nothing special, and he lost a lot of fights. He even drew with someone who was like W20 L20 or something very similar, when he was approx 28. Hardly a master boxer if you are losing round after round in his prime vs a punchbag. No way would he beat the likes of Amir "King" Khan, or Robert "the Ghost" Guerrero. Cash in