Too Short concert or Ward-Barrera?

Golovkin-Lemieux, at 4am in the morning, is a fight that I doubt drew a lot of acclaim/notice throughout Europe (BoxNation withstanding); I doubt the attention was much better in Mexico either. Getting to even, adding in the bits as things get known, is a tough slog, imo (and that's before considering if the promoters/co-promoters of the fight ended up taking any money home) Of course you would. You are in complete denial that this card made any money despite evidence to the contrary. "A lot of people focus on the American market, but he had one of the highest rated international shows in the U.K. on BoxNation, on SAT.1 in Germany and the biggest channel in Russia. He was also on Polsat, the biggest channel in Poland, for the first time. And on top of that, the Garden told us we broke the merchandise record for any boxing event there: over $122,000." -Tom Loeffler http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/13950570/gennady-golovkin-david-lemieux-bout-generates-150000-pay-per-view-buys

I doubt it, break even is likely the worst case scenario, they also set the merchandising sales record for the garden. I just don't see how this fight could have lost money. lets say it did cost 1 million to put the event and 4 milliion for purses. costs =5 million income from live gate and ppv alone is approximately 4 million. everything else i listed would have to have not made much money for this fight to have a loss. GGG is an international fighter, if his fight aired in 10-15 countries outside of the US the income generated there would push this closer to a break even fight. To me i dont see how any of Ward fights break even but this fight i see as a break even as a worst case scenario. Golovkin-Lemieux, at 4am in the morning, is a fight that I doubt drew a lot of acclaim/notice throughout Europe (BoxNation withstanding); I doubt the attention was much better in Mexico either. Getting to even, adding in the bits as things get known, is a tough slog, imo (and that's before considering if the promoters/co-promoters of the fight ended up taking any money home)

Oh BTW, ringside seats at Stub Hub have NEVER been 150. Just saying. I've been to too many fights there including that one and I was not ringside and it was 150 above the apron. Crawford did sell out twice at home. Did Andre? No. How many times did they put Andre in any room at MSG? My bad, he doesn't like to leave Cali for the most part and New York is scary. Just admit you love him. Who the **** is talking about ringside seats at StubHub? Terrence Crawford has never even fought at StubHub Center, clown

haha perfect, the guy who changes the subject concedes yet again. :wave: :rofl: :bottle:

wards ability to sell tickets are a joke. he cant sell out his living room if his life depended on it. as a boxing fan......if you are really a boxing fan.....who the fVck cares....when did fans of a sport give a damn about ticket sales? Are yall running out of material to bash a boxer with? has anyone beat him? is he elite? do you get a cut of the ticket sales Does ticket sales have anything to do with skills or accomplishment? Its real lame...oh he dont sell tickets doe...corny AF

a couple points: -the live gate was only ever disclosed as being $2m -there's no mention of the costs related to actually putting on the event (renting out MSG, commercials/marketing pieces, nuts-and-bolts promoter stuff, etc) A lot of the information is unknown, but I have no doubt that the actual cost of putting on the event likely went over $1m, and there's no way that Golovkin-Lemieux did $3m in raw ticket sales at the gate (if K2 was willing to lose their **** over Golovkin selling $150k in merch for a fight, you would be wise to expect a similar reaction if Golovkin was able to rival the business that Miguel Cotto does at the gate for a fight). Even the few numbers that folks cant take a guess at aren't really adding up to a breakeven (unless the Canadian PPV ended up doing massive business) I doubt it, break even is likely the worst case scenario, they also set the merchandising sales record for the garden. I just don't see how this fight could have lost money. lets say it did cost 1 million to put the event and 4 milliion for purses. costs =5 million income from live gate and ppv alone is approximately 4 million. everything else i listed would have to have not made much money for this fight to have a loss. GGG is an international fighter, if his fight aired in 10-15 countries outside of the US the income generated there would push this closer to a break even fight. To me i dont see how any of Ward fights break even but this fight i see as a break even as a worst case scenario.

It's hilarious boxing fans are hating on a talented fighter over ticket sales? Soon to come, a thread called "Why do boxing fans hate top fighters over ticket sales" where the OP says "Post and discuss."

Skyler... check this out. There are actually Ward huggers.

Ringside tickets for under $150 simply puts things in context (no different than Canelo putting 40k people into the building with $20 tickets); ignore that if you want. Crawford sold out his hometown twice, yet Top Rank only felt confident enough to put him in the small room at MSG Oh BTW, ringside seats at Stub Hub have NEVER been 150. Just saying. I've been to too many fights there including that one and I was not ringside and it was 150 above the apron. Crawford did sell out twice at home. Did Andre? No. How many times did they put Andre in any room at MSG? My bad, he doesn't like to leave Cali for the most part and New York is scary. Just admit you love him.

Golovkin is fighting in a foreign market and is bigger than a guy in his backyard. It was a papered crowd but with local fans. Not a papered crowd in ac or vegas where people just happen to be in town. theres a difference. GGG Wade will have at least 5,000 more people in attendance than ward barrera and ward barrera will have several thousand more give aways Don't speak logic to him. He's basing things off of analytics (anal>lytics). Who looks for prices of tickets unless they are obsessed. You and I and most "normal" people know he's from a foreign country (though I said Kazakhstan initially, he quotes conveniently the Russia post...because he's odd) and that automatically means you are not going to have a "HOME" audience unless you are Mexican in the western U.S. but he won't let a fact get in the way of a solid lie. I'm amazed that he's not raped here. It's rare I see someone so simple quoting people so often as if he makes sense?

In three simple paragraphs, I showed that you're entire statement was largely utter ****. try to spin it if you want You actually have man love. I get it. My bad. I actually respect your lifestyle choice. It's cool and I'm so glad that you are getting equal rights.

I sincerely doubt that Roc Nation gave away half of the tix to the Paul Smith fight, though I have no way to prove/disprove that; from a person who bought a ticket and was in the building for the fight, it sure didn't feel like much of a paper crowd (the reaction for Ward, including the moments when he opened up and finally closed out the show, made it seem like folks were rallying behind someone they put money up for). The pricing for Golovkin-Wade is similar to the pricing for Ward-Barrera and Ward-Smith; what the pricing for the last fight at The Forum I'm not sure, but Golovkin's ticket prices have been generally lower (Oracle Arena being limited to only the lower bowl sets the configuration at 12k-13k to sell out). Just making the point that, as draws, Golovkin isn't all that much bigger a draw than Ward is in his home market, and Golovkin has had the machine behind him for a bit now. Golovkin is fighting in a foreign market and is bigger than a guy in his backyard. It was a papered crowd but with local fans. Not a papered crowd in ac or vegas where people just happen to be in town. theres a difference. GGG Wade will have at least 5,000 more people in attendance than ward barrera and ward barrera will have several thousand more give aways

i think this guy is coutning free tickets that they give away as tickets sold while at the same time bashing ggg for low ticket prices. its almost too silly to believe yet here we are agreed its crazy

Holy ****! 24 hours later and Scipio has still got the feels for Ward! Let it go.

The Lemiux fight likely didn't lose money but not being the book keeper for the fight my understanding that it did this Purse costs - $4,000,000 Live gate profits - $2,000,000 PPV sells in the US alone 150k or 97k depends on who you beileve (lets take worst case scenario and say 97k) - 97kX$20 (after cable providers took their cut) = 1.94 million Canadian PPV sells - don't now sponsorship - don't know international TV licensing profits - dont know merchandise sells - dont know So based on what we know, the worst it could have done is broken even. likely this event however had profits exceeding 1-2 million. a couple points: -the live gate was only ever disclosed as being $2m -there's no mention of the costs related to actually putting on the event (renting out MSG, commercials/marketing pieces, nuts-and-bolts promoter stuff, etc) A lot of the information is unknown, but I have no doubt that the actual cost of putting on the event likely went over $1m, and there's no way that Golovkin-Lemieux did $3m in raw ticket sales at the gate (if K2 was willing to lose their **** over Golovkin selling $150k in merch for a fight, you would be wise to expect a similar reaction if Golovkin was able to rival the business that Miguel Cotto does at the gate for a fight). Even the few numbers that folks cant take a guess at aren't really adding up to a breakeven (unless the Canadian PPV ended up doing massive business)

Bute was with HBO when the Super6 started on SHOWTIME Once he finished his HBO contract, he signed with Showtime and was going to be added to the tournament as a replacement, but Dan Goossen threatened to pull Andre Ward out of the Super6. You're already on the internet. You could look this up instead of talking horse sh*t. Ward was supposed to fight Bute after the S6...like he said he would if he won. In the post fight interview, he talked his way out of that fight so Bute went to the UK to fight Froch. What happened in the Froch fight had not happened yet at the time Ward was supposed to fight Bute, dummy. Why do you f*ckers always have so much trouble understand things like date and time? Bute was #2 at SMW, undefeated, IBF champ, offered a career high pay day, offered to go to Oakland and had better performances than Ward vs common opponents(Miranda,Bika) Ward DID. NOT. WANT IT. lol Lucian Bute fought Librado Andrade, October 2008, on Showtime. Lucian Bute fought Fulgencio Zuniga, March 2009, on Showtime; prior to those two fights, outside of a fight against Sakio Bika that ESPN2 picked up, Bute hadn't had another fight broadcast in the US. The first fights of the Super Six tournament, on Showtime, were held October 2009, a full six weeks before Bute's first fight on HBO; have no doubt that the discussions for the participants were finalized before that. Less than 5 minutes is what it took to wreck that noise; don't be a ****ing fool.

Potentially this is one of the saddest posts I've ever seen in my 40+ years dealing with this game. You are so desperate to make Ward relevant that you went to the amount of homes that HBO has. You truly need to get laid. 18 million homes without 13k in Oakland mean 1x on google still makes you LOL! In three simple paragraphs, I showed that you're entire statement was largely utter ****. try to spin it if you want

HAHAAHAHAH! Scipipedia. You have pseudo answers for everything except that the FACT is Crawford got more butts in seats, has a bigger following and now is going to be the player of African American fighters without doing anything but be exciting and not retire for 3 years. You can google anything you want but it changes nothing and like I said, did I say anything untrue? Nope. As for the petty Russia thing, I said Kazakhstan but I guess you didn't google that. Ringside tickets for under $150 simply puts things in context (no different than Canelo putting 40k people into the building with $20 tickets); ignore that if you want. Crawford sold out his hometown twice, yet Top Rank only felt confident enough to put him in the small room at MSG

slightly better???wow man stop you want to debate this or what?

https://media.giphy.com/media/QB78LMb32YqoE/giphy.gif :bottle: haha perfect, the guy who changes the subject concedes yet again. :wave: