Why is Mike Tyson not a boxing trainer??

Well, Robert Garcia has had a dozen world champs go through him, I bet. Robert has had success as a trainer, as a fighter to a certain degree...he is not who i have in mind...

I'm talking about pro's, not amateurs. oH...ok. I still feel Teddy Atlas is a good trainer, base from my personal experience.

High level boxers don't seem to become high level trainers very often. I think there are different primary traits & talents & even personalities that make one a high level boxer & that make one a high level trainer & seldom is one holding both sets of those primary traits, talents & has the personality type that fits both of those very different careers. I think it's because they think talent comes out naturally . Most don't have anywhere their talent. I trained in a pro-gym where I saw some really hard working boxers who looked like idiots come fight night. It was actually pretty sad .

I mean the man was a beast when he trained under "Cus" D'Amato not to take anything away from Atlas and Rooney but he sure is one of maybe only two men that can carry Cus training secrets and routines before it becomes extinct. I can see him as a hell of a trainer...........what do you guys think? Temperament, caring, and willing to put in hours of tireless work for someone else.

Not who I have in mind... Well, Robert Garcia has had a dozen world champs go through him, I bet.

I don't know if Simon Brown counts. Not who I have in mind...

What re-known World champion was also a great trainer? Boxers who excelled to the highest degree tend not to excel as trainers. Case in point; Muhammed Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard, Roy Jones Jr, Roberto Duran, Michael Spinks, Oscar De La Hoya, Wilfredo Gomez, Lupe Pintor, Mike Tyson, Floyd Mayweather Jr, Tommy Hearns etc...aren't training any superstars... Where as; Gus D'Amato, Ray Arcel, Floyd Mayweather Sr, Manuel Stewart, Angelo Dundee, Roach, Robert Diaz, Eddie Futch, Abel Sanchez, Berenstian, Gil Clancy, Evangelista Cotto, Papa Trinidad, Papa Loma etc... all of these guys had success as trainers at the highest levels. But as fighters they did not. There is only one fighter That I recall, was a reknown world champion that I personally knew that did excelled as a trainer who went on to work with many world champions...can you guys guess?

Zaragozar, excellent trainer! but he's isn't the one...matter of fact I'll do a thread about this... I don't know if Simon Brown counts.

I personally don't think Teddy Atlas is a ****ty trainer. You see I remember Teddy Atlas back in the days when i was an amateur boxer in the early 80's. He would bring lots of guys from upstate & have them compete in the smokers in the South Bronx, Bed-Sty, East New York, Harlem & they did very well. I fought many of his fighters. And one thing for sure whenever I was competing against his fighters you knew you had to bring your A game. And yes he comes from the Gus D' Amato lineage.& usually that means something. I'm talking about pro's, not amateurs.

Tyson doesn’t strike me as someone who has the patience and communication skills to be a successful trainer. But of course I’d love for him to prove me wrong. I think he’d be better off as an assistant coach. Just like the jordans and kobes of the world would suck coaching

I think Tyson has a hate-love relationship with boxing. Can't imagine him loading up a van with kids at 4am on a Saturday to drive 5 hours so some kids can compete in an amateur fight.

After I stopped fighting I started training Boxers. I have a very very high level of education from really good institutions of learning. Communication is one of my best weapons. With all of that said, being a trainer --- a good trainer, is a very difficult thing to do well. Finding ways to break through to fighters is on a case-by-case basis. Not the same words work for every guy and that takes great creativity. Tyson isn't cut from that cloth. you're spot on, I totally agree with you sometimes it's not only being a trainer you have to wear different hats be it a father figure, physicologist, etc...

Tyson might be a great trainer for certain styles, if he could keep it together. His life I mean. If he could do that, the teachings he received would be beneficial to certain styles that were similar to his own. But I don't think he has the resolve to commit to teaching and developing for the long haul. Too bad unfortunately.

Probably doesn't even love the sport enough. it takes an incredible amount of dedication so someone else to be a trainer. if you're not in love with the game and putting your all into guiding another person, you shouldn't be training anybody. it's definitely not for everybody.

Atlas trained under Cuz and Atlas is a shítty trainer. Either you have it or you don't. Cuz was very eloquent, had great timing, knowledge, communiction, calculated control, and wisdom. Thats a pretty serious package to have. After I stopped fighting I started training Boxers. I have a very very high level of education from really good institutions of learning. Communication is one of my best weapons. With all of that said, being a trainer --- a good trainer, is a very difficult thing to do well. Finding ways to break through to fighters is on a case-by-case basis. Not the same words work for every guy and that takes great creativity. Tyson isn't cut from that cloth. I personally don't think Teddy Atlas is a ****ty trainer. You see I remember Teddy Atlas back in the days when i was an amateur boxer in the early 80's. He would bring lots of guys from upstate & have them compete in the smokers in the South Bronx, Bed-Sty, East New York, Harlem & they did very well. I fought many of his fighters. And one thing for sure whenever I was competing against his fighters you knew you had to bring your A game. And yes he comes from the Gus D' Amato lineage.& usually that means something.

Zaragoza ? Zaragozar, excellent trainer! but he's isn't the one...matter of fact I'll do a thread about this...

I mean the man was a beast when he trained under "Cus" D'Amato not to take anything away from Atlas and Rooney but he sure is one of maybe only two men that can carry Cus training secrets and routines before it becomes extinct. I can see him as a hell of a trainer...........what do you guys think? Atlas trained under Cuz and Atlas is a shítty trainer. Either you have it or you don't. Cuz was very eloquent, had great timing, knowledge, communiction, calculated control, and wisdom. Thats a pretty serious package to have. After I stopped fighting I started training Boxers. I have a very very high level of education from really good institutions of learning. Communication is one of my best weapons. With all of that said, being a trainer --- a good trainer, is a very difficult thing to do well. Finding ways to break through to fighters is on a case-by-case basis. Not the same words work for every guy and that takes great creativity. Tyson isn't cut from that cloth.

Hmmm...actually it's been known, but I'don't see why, Boxers who excelled to the highest degree tend not to excel as trainers. Case in point Floyd Mayweather Sr, Manuel Stewart, Angelo Dundee, Roach, Robert Diaz, Eddie Futch, Abel Sanchez, Berenstian, Gil Clancy, Evangelista Cotto, Papa Trinidad, Papa Loma etc... all of these guys had success as trainers at the highest levels. But as fighters they did not. Where as Muhammed Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard, Roy Jones Jr, Roberto Duran, Michael Spinks, Oscar De La Hoya, Wilfredo Gomez, Lupe Pintor, Mike Tyson, Floyd Mayweather Jr, Tommy Hearns etc...aren't training any superstars... There is only one fighter, was a reknown world champion that I personally knew & did excelled as a trainer who went on to work with many world champions...can you guys guess? Zaragoza ?

Good trainers are mainly the ones with some sort of a strong background on any given subject, Tyson has an undeniable experience under his belt. He has also cleaned up quite a bit. :boxing: Maybe. Dundee never boxed. Manny Steward was just an amateur boxer. Cuyo Hernandez and Nacho Beristain were not former pro boxers . Ray Arcel ? Janks Morton ? Lou Duva?

Hmmm...actually it's been known, but I'don't see why, Boxers who excelled to the highest degree tend not to excel as trainers. Case in point Floyd Mayweather Sr, Manuel Stewart, Angelo Dundee, Roach, Robert Diaz, Eddie Futch, Abel Sanchez, Berenstian, Gil Clancy, Evangelista Cotto, Papa Trinidad, Papa Loma etc... all of these guys had success as trainers at the highest levels. But as fighters they did not. Where as Muhammed Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard, Roy Jones Jr, Roberto Duran, Michael Spinks, Oscar De La Hoya, Wilfredo Gomez, Lupe Pintor, Mike Tyson, Floyd Mayweather Jr, Tommy Hearns etc...aren't training any superstars... There is only one fighter, was a reknown world champion that I personally knew & did excelled as a trainer who went on to work with many world champions...can you guys guess?