Did Mayweather Harm or Help the sport of boxing

That's TBE's greatest contribution. Everyone wants to do the same boring style, run, clinch, run... Hit and not get hit doe. That's why thousands are flocking to see him lose and end such rip-off style of boxing get destroyed. Unfortunately, the judges, ref, not to mention USADA, are all in this stupid science of nonsense to make them look "I'm boxing fan doe." :unitedsta Exactly, That is his legacy, run, punch, hold Vagina boxing at it's brightest. Now everyone wants to exploit the flawed system of scoring.

Everybody wants to Duck , run, hold and Hold catch weights seem like it's been ruined. We need another Mike Tyson or Julian Jackson not these run and hold mother phuckers That's TBE's greatest contribution. Everyone wants to do the same boring style, run, clinch, run... Hit and not get hit doe. That's why thousands are flocking to see him lose and end such rip-off style of boxing get destroyed. Unfortunately, the judges, ref, not to mention USADA, are all in this stupid science of nonsense to make them look "I'm boxing fan doe." :unitedsta

Hurt. Making the 0 seem more important that it really is, refusing to take risks, using the A-side mentality to get things his way, and none of his fights living up their hype is all is not good for the sport. It doesn't matter how much PPVs he's sold, it doesn't change the fact it was to see Floyd lose, not to see an interesting fight. In the end, his career was all about cheating people out of their money and using it to take advantage of the sport rather than truly doing something great. This knocks everyone's post out of the ball park. :beerchug:

margarito for 8 millino or sharmba and judah for less? It wasn't Sharmba and Judah for less, it was actually Carlos Baldomir for more. For 8 million and 1. Just to stick it in Arum's face.

Everybody wants to Duck , run, hold and Hold catch weights seem like it's been ruined. We need another Mike Tyson or Julian Jackson not these run and hold mother phuckers

it was disappointing to the people who though Manny posed a bigger threat....personally I never saw how he could beat Mayweather outside of a Tarver-Jones 2 type one punch ko the shoulder and 5 years too late are excuses for people who supported manny, on the flip side neutral fans and pro floyd fans dont even bring up the shoulder or when it happened considering mayweather is 2 years older and has had a pro career and near 100 fights in the amatuers. as far as the drug fiasco....the fiasco came when a guy with tattoos claimed he was scared of needles and the fight didnt happen because fo drug test cut off dates No matter how you slice it...more people will remember this fight because Manny is an ATG, Floyd is an ATG...were the best of their generation and they fought. Manny fans will remember it for the things you pointed out...cant always believe the hype...have to use your own eyes and brain and mine told me Manny is great., just cant beat a counterpuncher with his length, speed, adaptiblity and know how. nothing is wrong with that I am not saying that a lot of that isn't bullsht, i am just saying it will be remembered for other stuff by majority of the world... if it will be remembered at all. drug fiasco goes both ways... don't forget the way too late approved TUE

Unfortunately I dont think it will be remember for the best fighting the best. it will be remembered for being the most disappointing anti climatic, highest profile fight in decades... with many question marks like 1) Shoulder doe 2) 5 years too late 3) money it made 4) drug testing fiasco it was disappointing to the people who though Manny posed a bigger threat....personally I never saw how he could beat Mayweather outside of a Tarver-Jones 2 type one punch ko the shoulder and 5 years too late are excuses for people who supported manny, on the flip side neutral fans and pro floyd fans dont even bring up the shoulder or when it happened considering mayweather is 2 years older and has had a pro career and near 100 fights in the amatuers. as far as the drug fiasco....the fiasco came when a guy with tattoos claimed he was scared of needles and the fight didnt happen because fo drug test cut off dates No matter how you slice it...more people will remember this fight because Manny is an ATG, Floyd is an ATG...were the best of their generation and they fought. Manny fans will remember it for the things you pointed out...cant always believe the hype...have to use your own eyes and brain and mine told me Manny is great., just cant beat a counterpuncher with his length, speed, adaptiblity and know how. nothing is wrong with that

Nice try subzeroed but we all get it. Some fans of course want floyd to lose. That is not the main reason why people purchase a floyd fight. If you think he took minimal risks, so be it. Many of the people that agree with you said he was afraid to fight the same people prior to floyd beating them. See, I just can't agree with you there, Dunn. My homie and our group have tuned in to Floyd's fights for years, hoping to see him get waxed. He's portrayed himself as an antagonist for most of his career. It started with the "Pretty boy" nick name & went from there. The flashing cash, talking shit, & boasting while refusing to fight a prime Pacquiao got annoying. Everyone knows he waited for Manny to get good and old before he faced him. Now when he won masterfully, like he did against Hatton, we gave him props. He sucker punched Ortiz, but we allowed that Victor had it coming for his blatant fouls. But when he ran, grab & held like he did against Maidana, he got no love from us. Has there been a poll started about why people have tuned in to Floyd's fights? I think there may have been.

you can't decide if someone got their money's worth dude. Sorry but the fact so many people kept buying his fights indicates the git their money's worth. No, it doesn't. Do you really think people were satisfied with how Mayweather's fight with Canelo, De La Hoya, and Pacquiao turned out to be? Of course some people want to see him lose but you are suggesting this is the motivating factor in why people purchased his fights. That is utterly retarded. You are saying he is boring yet his arch rival, fighting in what you would call exciting, memorable fights, couldn't outsell him despite his PPV's being slightly less money. Couldn't outsell him when? You honestly think people purchased an inferior product (according to you) for more money just to see if Floyd loses? You can't be that stupid. Because it's not stupid to say that. Think about it. In order for people buy it, they have to build up his opponent as someone who has the possibility of beating him. That's how fights are promoted. If people knew beforehand that Floyd would win and nobody would try to convince fans otherwise, do you honestly think they would still buy it? No way!

i think in the past the best used to fight the best simply because they thought they had to. they probably didn't think they could get away with doing what floyd did but he took that last step and found out that yes it is possible as long as you have a very loyal fanbase that will defend you at every turn. margarito for 8 millino or sharmba and judah for less? you got fans defending that he picked sharmba and judah! that's trump style devotion. floyd just took advantage of human nature. obv not everyone will like it but a big enough chunk will in order to make him millions and that's all that mattered to him.

it will remembered because the best fought the best...you think thats a wrong reason ? .Gatti-Ward was fun to watch but it wasnt an elite, high calibre match up Unfortunately I dont think it will be remember for the best fighting the best. it will be remembered for being the most disappointing anti climatic, highest profile fight in decades... with many question marks like 1) Shoulder doe 2) 5 years too late 3) money it made 4) drug testing fiasco

My example wasn't all encompassing and it wasn't all or nothing. We come to the forums to debate not insult each other so no need to insult me. 1) This is my opinion 2) i've explained to you why i used floyd, he is the superstar of this generation. Yet Ward vs. Gatti created a much fonder memory then Floyd vs. Paquio (yes more people will remember this fight for all the wrong reasons) 3) yes he inspires fighters to be as rich as possible I guess that counts. 4) maybe 5) yes leading by example - not everyone does it but being a half decent human being isn't a bad thing, it sheds good light on the sport, is that something you disagree with or just confused because so few boxers do it? 6) WTF? no it isn't Wlad was my favorite fighter until steward. considering i am a fan of the sport, i love watching and admire aggression. KOs put asses seats... this isn't something i just invented for Floyd. Wlad also did alot of the things on the list but his boring ass style hurt the sport, it made for very sleep TV... had he been the top name in the sport i would be making this thread about him. Anyways you seem to get confused when we talk, its as if you read something and go on the offensive, you forget what the original conversation was about, you omit valid points and bend the conversation in away that suits your needs so you can blast me or something, anyways you obviously seem to be agitated, lets just end the debate and agree to disagree. no need to respond. it will remembered because the best fought the best...you think thats a wrong reason ? .Gatti-Ward was fun to watch but it wasnt an elite, high calibre match up

dude, you cited Tyson and Ali as examples of sportsmanship. ALI AND TYSON!!!!!!!! please quote when i cited that? come on go ahead, bend my words.

My example wasn't all encompassing and it wasn't all or nothing. We come to the forums to debate not insult each other so no need to insult me. 1) This is my opinion 2) i've explained to you why i used floyd, he is the superstar of this generation. Yet Ward vs. Gatti created a much fonder memory then Floyd vs. Paquio (yes more people will remember this fight for all the wrong reasons) 3) yes he inspires fighters to be as rich as possible I guess that counts. 4) maybe 5) yes leading by example - not everyone does it but being a half decent human being isn't a bad thing, it sheds good light on the sport, is that something you disagree with or just confused because so few boxers do it? 6) WTF? no it isn't Wlad was my favorite fighter until steward. considering i am a fan of the sport, i love watching and admire aggression. KOs put asses seats... this isn't something i just invented for Floyd. Wlad also did alot of the things on the list but his boring ass style hurt the sport, it made for very sleep TV... had he been the top name in the sport i would be making this thread about him. Anyways you seem to get confused when we talk, its as if you read something and go on the offensive, you forget what the original conversation was about, you omit valid points and bend the conversation in away that suits your needs so you can blast me or something, anyways you obviously seem to be agitated, lets just end the debate and agree to disagree. no need to respond. dude, you cited Tyson and Ali as examples of sportsmanship. ALI AND TYSON!!!!!!!!

Funny enough I have yet to meet someone that said they was going to cop a Floyd fight to see him lose. Haters tend to be petty people. These cheapskates aren't going to fork over money that lines the pockets of someone they dislike IN reality they rather spite FLoyd by not buying his fights at the expense of seeing opponents punish him Yeah, that doesn't seem believable. Now, there are points where things like this have happened-cleveland fans buying lerbron jerseys to burn when he left. That was like a couple days, thats not why lebron jerseys sold the month after that FFS.

That was Bob arum, place blame where it lies. When i say further the sport i mean literally the sport will be more thriving because of them and that could mean but isn't limited to 1) inspiring others to enter the sport 2) generate great memories for fans of the sport 3) inspire fighters 4) increase popularity of the sport (at the current time and for the future) 5) leading by example inside and outside the ring 6) furthering sportsmanship and warrior mentality (to me this is important, might not be to everyone) etc. 1. how do you know floyd hasn't done this? think for a second. your argument is Floyd has made it popular to get paid for doing nothing. Now you are suggesting this IA KEEPING PEOPLE OUT OF BOXING. seriously? 2. Seriously, great memories. A memory is not something everyone shares dude. You think people do not remeber Hatton, gatti, corrales? Does every fighter have to have an ali level memory FFS. 3. you say floyd is doing this, then you say he isn't. which is it? 4. I think its abudantly clear he has done that. 5. Leading by example- WTF? 6. WTF does this even mean? It's like you tried to create something specifically to hold it against Floyd. was sweet pea bad for the sport because he was defensive? was duran bad for the sport because he showed poor sportsmanship and quit? was ali bad for the sport the way he degraded his opponents. Seriously WTF is wrong with you? Here's one-you don't write about any of the guys you listed other than Floyd. Why is that? My example wasn't all encompassing and it wasn't all or nothing. We come to the forums to debate not insult each other so no need to insult me. 1) This is my opinion 2) i've explained to you why i used floyd, he is the superstar of this generation. Yet Ward vs. Gatti created a much fonder memory then Floyd vs. Paquio (yes more people will remember this fight for all the wrong reasons) 3) yes he inspires fighters to be as rich as possible I guess that counts. 4) maybe 5) yes leading by example - not everyone does it but being a half decent human being isn't a bad thing, it sheds good light on the sport, is that something you disagree with or just confused because so few boxers do it? 6) WTF? no it isn't Wlad was my favorite fighter until steward. considering i am a fan of the sport, i love watching and admire aggression. KOs put asses seats... this isn't something i just invented for Floyd. Wlad also did alot of the things on the list but his boring ass style hurt the sport, it made for very sleep TV... had he been the top name in the sport i would be making this thread about him. Anyways you seem to get confused when we talk, its as if you read something and go on the offensive, you forget what the original conversation was about, you omit valid points and bend the conversation in away that suits your needs so you can blast me or something, anyways you obviously seem to be agitated, lets just end the debate and agree to disagree. no need to respond.

Floyd took minimal risks. The fans that wanted to see him lose hoped that risk was dangerous enough to result in a loss for him. You contradicted yourself again. You said that the pro-Hatton crowd wanted to see him lose. Earlier, you argued that no one has tuned into see a fighter lose since Jack Johnson. Am I missing something here? Of course nearly everyone wants to see one fighter win and the other fighter lose. Are you suggesting the crowd is largely neutral, hoping the best man wins? Are you smoking that blunt, Dunn? You know that shit messes with your head. :lol1: Nice try subzeroed but we all get it. Some fans of course want floyd to lose. That is not the main reason why people purchase a floyd fight. If you think he took minimal risks, so be it. Many of the people that agree with you said he was afraid to fight the same people prior to floyd beating them.

No I don't and its utterly retarded when you think about it. The same people arguing this argue Floyd never took risks. So if he never took risks, why the **** would you then buy a fight thinking he will lose if you already think its an easy fight without risk? see, some posters are just so stupid that they contradict their own points because they try to fit everything individually into one narrative when that isn't the case. Booing for example-they booed the national anthem and floyd during the Hatton fight because it was a pro hatton crowd in attendance. Did the Hattonfans wnat floyd to lose -pf course. Did the floyd in attendance come there for that-of course not. Floyd took minimal risks. The fans that wanted to see him lose hoped that risk was dangerous enough to result in a loss for him. You contradicted yourself again. You said that the pro-Hatton crowd wanted to see him lose. Earlier, you argued that no one has tuned into see a fighter lose since Jack Johnson. Am I missing something here? Of course nearly everyone wants to see one fighter win and the other fighter lose. Are you suggesting the crowd is largely neutral, hoping the best man wins? Are you smoking that blunt, Dunn? You know that shit messes with your head. :lol1:

They get their money's worth by hoping they'll watch the opponent win. Keyword being hope. Floyd detractors are highly emotional creatures that make decisions in life based on feelings. exactly. I get the point people do not like him and hope he loses, but the najority of those people do not buy his fights because they do not like him. I also get that if you made a GGG/Floyd fight they would sell it as "floyd likely losing" because that would be historic. But to act like all the fights post ODH were all purchased just to see floyd lose is retarded.

This right here is the crux of the stupidity that plagues Boxing. Green K. It makes no sense. if he really took no risks that means people were buying to see him get easy wins.