Timing Beats speed it's a myth isn't it ?

Chavez Senior vs Meldrick Taylor.... Speed is potent, but you have to know how to use it! Timing does not always beat speed, but every fighter can be timed! there is a pattern to every single attack, and a good fighter will pick up on these patterns and devise an attack or? reaction of their own to negate the offensive attack! Bernard Hopkin's was a master at doing this!

punches beat amir khan. that is his only weakness

It is a myth. Timing really matters. It can level the playing field.

I'm sure timing can overcome sopeed. I'm sure there are ways to overcome people with better timing

Depends on your definition of speed. I think you are all getting confused with the volume of punches. The speed a fighter throws a punch is directly proportional to the power. Impact energy = half mass times speed squared. It's not that simple. And there's also the impact force to take into consideration which is dependent upon the time it takes for the impact to happen (in short how quickly the fist decelerates dependent - partly say on whether a fighter is rolling or moving with the punch) - which is impact force rather than impact energy - but that isn't the main problem here. The main issue is what is m - the mass you apply to the equation mv^2/2? Is it the mass of the fist? The mass of the arm? The mass of the whole body? This is why punches differ and why it's very possible to accelerate the fist quickly for rapid arm punches or 'slaps' whereas putting the whole weight of the body from the extension of the feet and legs through the torso and applying the force through the extended arm can produce more impact power while the fist itself has a lower velocity. I remember having a long and amusingly involved conversation when I first started posting here about whether bigger fists meant harder punches, but that only works if you treat the fist as a seperate ballistic object, acted on, but effectively independent of the rest of the body like a wrecking ball (for a swing) or a cannonball, which is clearly absurd. We also got into how the greater impact area of larger fist would spread the impact and stuff - all a bit of silly fun really.:D

Floyd was fast, but I would say it was more his mental speed than his physical speed that won him the fights. Manny was physically faster than both Floyd and JMM, but he was predictable in a lot of ways too.

Every fight, floyd,pac, roy jones, mosley, dhl etc etc ever won. Fast guys win way more fights than slow guys. Those boxers have timing + speed. Here's the forumala: Timing vs Speed = Timing wins Timing + Speed vs Timing = Timing + Speed wins Timing + Speed vs Speed = Timing + Speed wins. A boxer with timing alone beats a boxer with speed alone (Juan Manuel Marquez beating Manny Pacquaio) A boxer with timing and speed combined beats a boxer with speed alone or timing alone (Floyd Mayweather Jr beating Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez).

This seems to be the most pulled out line on nsb especially when it comes to Amir khan bit is it true ? Sure it happens, Garcia v Khan for example but we've also seen guys parachute into the arena and gusu jump through the ropes out of the ring. With hundreds of fights every year to are going to a bit of everything but this idea that a slow guy can regularly bet a much faster fighter with similar reach is simple not true. Where are the examples ? 9 times out of ten the faster guy wins. Seriously? Do you even box? It's very true, but it isn't an absolute statement, speed wins if you can't counter effectively. An example of a fighter beating a faster fighter with timing? JMM vs Pac-Man is the most notable in recent years, in each of their fights JMM was countering the heck out of Pac and making fantastic combinations from landed setup punches. Another example is Morales vs Pac. Maidana vs Floyd I. And like someone said already, why don't you provide evidence that it's a myth? The burden of proof is on you. As a matter of fact, eff it, you're getting red K'd.

I just finished watching some of El Terribles fights and he had great timing as well. That guy was born to fight :boxing:

Timing just beat speed again. Jessie fcking Vargas just timed him all night and not only beat him but got the KO. That right hand he landed was the same Marquez landed on Pacquiao, if Jessie no power Vargas can seriously hurt an opponent with that same punch just imagine what Manny felt when Marquez who has power felt when he got hit

Regardless of any specific examples, the truth here lies in something fundamental. "Timing" is landing a strike at the opportune moment. Speed is a component of timing but, on it's own, is nothing without timing. Trying to say that there is such a thing as timing vs speed shows a misunderstanding of the science.

I agree in theory...But Saddler had Pep's number and that number was age...Nothing else. Naseem Vs Barrera is a great example...Judah Vs Floyd What the thread starter is failing to comprehend is that the faster guys usually have the better timing..It's why they developed a "fast" style Yes Barrera vs Naseem is a good one also Yes Saddler did catch Pep at the right time as far as age that is true but a Older Pep was still very sharp and very slick

LMFAO at thinking NSB made "Timing>Speed" up :lol1: I can take you back to Pep vs Saddler in which Saddler sure he used dirty tactics but his timing and ability to cut the ring off is why he had Pep Number http://giant.gfycat.com/JubilantDiscreteGrizzlybear.gif of course you have Frazier timing Ali and catching him with some big shots, this gif if a perfect exact of Ali's hand speed vs Frazier Timing that Left Hook http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i248/DuggerMan/joe-has-ali-out-on-his-feet_o_GIFSoupcom.gif Then Of Course: http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1853615/2.gif I agree in theory...But Saddler had Pep's number and that number was age...Nothing else. Naseem Vs Barrera is a great example...Judah Vs Floyd What the thread starter is failing to comprehend is that the faster guys usually have the better timing..It's why they developed a "fast" style

Julio Cesar Chavez beat a lot of fast guys by working there body to slow them down just look at what he did to Meldrik Taylor

Timing vs speed is exactly what Vernon Forrest quoted that he was going to use against Mosley and he did just that. History is filled with examples of timing beats speed.

Impact energy divided by distance your head travels after it is hit equals impact force. So if you time your shots to land as the fighter's weight is coming forward the force is exponentially higher.

LMFAO at thinking NSB made "Timing>Speed" up :lol1: I can take you back to Pep vs Saddler in which Saddler sure he used dirty tactics but his timing and ability to cut the ring off is why he had Pep Number http://giant.gfycat.com/JubilantDiscreteGrizzlybear.gif of course you have Frazier timing Ali and catching him with some big shots, this gif if a perfect exact of Ali's hand speed vs Frazier Timing that Left Hook http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i248/DuggerMan/joe-has-ali-out-on-his-feet_o_GIFSoupcom.gif Then Of Course: http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1853615/2.gif

This seems to be the most pulled out line on nsb especially when it comes to Amir khan bit is it true ? Sure it happens, Garcia v Khan for example but we've also seen guys parachute into the arena and gusu jump through the ropes out of the ring. With hundreds of fights every year to are going to a bit of everything but this idea that a slow guy can regularly bet a much faster fighter with similar reach is simple not true. Where are the examples ? 9 times out of ten the faster guy wins. Why don't you give example to support your claim that it is a myth? ^^ yeah. anyways lets just say Fighter A: speed = 3, timing = 4 Fighter B: speed = 5, timing = 3 then fighter A wins because hes slower but his timings better. keeping all else equal. hypothetically.

A myth?? lol...wow

Every fight, floyd,pac, roy jones, mosley, dhl etc etc ever won. Fast guys win way more fights than slow guys. Forrest and Wright negated Mosley's speed with timing. Morales and Marquez with Pacquaio. Montel Griffin with Roy Jones. Obviously not every time because Boxing doesn't work that way but it's obvious that timing CAN negate speed.