Does Wilder & his team really want to go to Russia? I doubt it.
I think Wilder will vacate and then target the Martin/Joshua winner.
Wilder will vacate his WBC title and then fight three more bums. He will then fight for the vacant WBC title (after it has been stripped from whoever has it) against Chris Arreola!
Fury was a mandatory challenger and under no obligation to agree to a rematch clause.
Something so many of you choose to overlook.
Fury had a guaranteed title shot with or without a rematch clause. Fury knew full well that accepting a rematch clause would require giving up the IBF title and he did it anyway.
I'm not knocking him. He did what he thought was most lucrative, but stop acting like he was blameless in the situation. He chose to give up his belt to fight Klitschko again. Stop acting like he was forced to agree to a rematch.
He was a mandatory challenger. He had a title shot with NO REMATCH, GUARANTEED and *chose* to sell a rematch clause to Wladimir.
While you're 100% spot on, I believe this was a hedging decision on part of team Fury.
I don't think any of them gave more than a 25% chance for Fury to actually beat Wlad, so they said "he's very likely to lose, so let's accept the rematch clause so we can get a bigger share of the purse".
If that was my fighter who was going up against a long-reigning champion, it's what I would have advised him to do.
Wilder makes lots of claims. Most of them are bollocks. "Nobody wants to fight me doe"
Wilder is the most feared heavyweight fighter right now the only way Fury can talk face to face with him is after he's had 5 or 6 pints of cheap lager, disgraceful.
Or when he is on twitter.
So all of them are bollocks except for the ones you can use against him?
"I will not go to Russia because it's cold and he has to come to my home coz I'm the champ", said in the heat of the moment after his fight with Szpilka, is not bollocks because it suits your agenda.
But "I want Povetkin as soon as possible" and "The very idea of vacating when I want to unify the titles is the dumbest thing I ever heard" , both said after the 'not going to Russia' statement are bollocks for the sole reason that they **** on every single imaginary misconception that you have about Wilder?
Sure, I get it now. You can argue with yourself from now on. Let's talk again after the fight though, I'll be very intested in what you have to say then, for the first five minutes or so, as I'm sure the rest will be garbage excuses.
If Wilder fights and beats Povetkin, i'll give him the credit that's due. I don't believe Povetkin is on the same level as Fury/Wlad/Ortiz, but it'll still be an excellent win. I however, have my doubts that the fight will happen.
Wilder makes lots of claims. Most of them are bollocks. "Nobody wants to fight me doe"
So all of them are bollocks except for the ones you can use against him?
"I will not go to Russia because it's cold and he has to come to my home coz I'm the champ", said in the heat of the moment after his fight with Szpilka, is not bollocks because it suits your agenda.
But "I want Povetkin as soon as possible" and "The very idea of vacating when I want to unify the titles is the dumbest thing I ever heard" , both said after the 'not going to Russia' statement are bollocks for the sole reason that they **** on every single imaginary misconception that you have about Wilder?
Sure, I get it now. You can argue with yourself from now on. Let's talk again after the fight though, I'll be very intested in what you have to say then, for the first five minutes or so, as I'm sure the rest will be garbage excuses.
Wilder's not vacating, the green belt gives him too much relevance. His silence is probably related to the negotiations.
After all, the $$$ is really in Russia I think...unless the fight is really, really promoted well here in the US. Where would they realistically sell out at, over here in America?
On a side note, I like the idea of a world-level titlist travelling far and wide defending his belt. If ya wanna be called world champion, hit the road jack and beat guys in their homes too. don't just make everyone come to you
Wilder-Povetkin at the Barclays Center (NYC has the largest Russian/Russian-speaking population in the United States, in addition to NYC already being one of the stronger boxing markets for PBC; build the card and it does massive business) would be a pretty massive event, tbh.
A world-level titlist should travel wherever the fight can be the biggest and bring the most money; traveling for the sake of traveling is useless.
Dawg Fury had a rematch clause in his contract with Wlad, nothing he could have done about that.
That ***** Kathy Duva is the one to blame for that scenario, she could have waited for Fury to fight Wlad and then negotiated with Fury or called for a purse bid, instead she intentionally got Fury stripped by calling for an immediate purse bid even though she knew about the rematch clause.
She wasn't interested in inforcing the mandatory, she was only interested in getting Fury stripped so she can get her fighter a paper title, the same fighter who pulled out of negotiations with Wilder in order to fight for that paper IBF.
So in essence, Duva tried to duck two world champs at the same time while getting her hands on a world title, too bad karma backfired on her.
I'm not a Fury fan, in fact, I'm a Wilder fan, but come on bro I know you didn't just say that.
Fury allowed that clause to be there for a bigger split of the purse, which will remain undisclosed.
Had he opted for a mandatory route (Fury was the WBA and WBO mandatory), Klitschko couldn't insist on such options. But of course, thats a 30% split of the purse. The WBA purse bid was 24 hours away at the point of the fight being fully agreed.
-WBC is going to give him a 75/25 split on whatever the purse bid ends up being (with Wilder's camp likely getting the upside on the US TV rights).
-The fight gives him the opportunity for large exposure throughout Europe/UK.
-Wilder vs Povetkin is a fight that he could win.
Why would Wilder walk away from a payday that could conservatively be expected to at least be $5m, in a fight that he can win, that would also make the proverbial Fury-Wilder fight an even bigger fight (Russia/UK/Europe getting a chance to see this bombastic American heavyweight champion fighting in primetime for once)?
Especially if the alternative ends up being a likely fight in the UK against Anthony Joshua (a fight that might as well be called 50/50, with things likely turning once Joshua picks up even more experience).
WBC split is 70/30, with 10% of the purse going to the winner
So Wilder winning means he'd get 73% of the purse, him losing means 63% of the purse. Still a big sum.
Joshua-Wilder isn't so much of a payday for Wilder if he doesn't have a title
-WBC is going to give him a 75/25 split on whatever the purse bid ends up being (with Wilder's camp likely getting the upside on the US TV rights).
-The fight gives him the opportunity for large exposure throughout Europe/UK.
-Wilder vs Povetkin is a fight that he could win.
Why would Wilder walk away from a payday that could conservatively be expected to at least be $5m, in a fight that he can win, that would also make the proverbial Fury-Wilder fight an even bigger fight (Russia/UK/Europe getting a chance to see this bombastic American heavyweight champion fighting in primetime for once)?
Especially if the alternative ends up being a likely fight in the UK against Anthony Joshua (a fight that might as well be called 50/50, with things likely turning once Joshua picks up even more experience).
http://www.boxingscene.com/wilder-wont-go-russia-mandatory-versus-povetkin--100436
Dawg Fury had a rematch clause in his contract with Wlad, nothing he could have done about that.
That ***** Kathy Duva is the one to blame for that scenario, she could have waited for Fury to fight Wlad and then negotiated with Fury or called for a purse bid, instead she intentionally got Fury stripped by calling for an immediate purse bid even though she knew about the rematch clause.
She wasn't interested in inforcing the mandatory, she was only interested in getting Fury stripped so she can get her fighter a paper title, the same fighter who pulled out of negotiations with Wilder in order to fight for that paper IBF.
So in essence, Duva tried to duck two world champs at the same time while getting her hands on a world title, too bad karma backfired on her.
I'm not a Fury fan, in fact, I'm a Wilder fan, but come on bro I know you didn't just say that.
It's a poor attempt at trolling and it just shows his lack of boxing knowledge. If he really wanted an example of Fury ducking, he should've brought up David Price.
whether Wilder wants to go to Russia is irrelevant; he's not vacating the belt
Does Wilder & his team really want to go to Russia? I doubt it.
I think Wilder will vacate and then target the Martin/Joshua winner.
-WBC is going to give him a 75/25 split on whatever the purse bid ends up being (with Wilder's camp likely getting the upside on the US TV rights).
-The fight gives him the opportunity for large exposure throughout Europe/UK.
-Wilder vs Povetkin is a fight that he could win.
Why would Wilder walk away from a payday that could conservatively be expected to at least be $5m, in a fight that he can win, that would also make the proverbial Fury-Wilder fight an even bigger fight (Russia/UK/Europe getting a chance to see this bombastic American heavyweight champion fighting in primetime for once)?
Especially if the alternative ends up being a likely fight in the UK against Anthony Joshua (a fight that might as well be called 50/50, with things likely turning once Joshua picks up even more experience).
You believe Wilder vs Fury is a big sell in the US ?
I think so. Fury made a lot of noise over there last time + he was seen by something like 3 million last time he fought there.
As soon as the promotion begins everybody will buy into it I'm sure.
Did Fury duck the mandatory with Glazkov and Pulev or did he not?
Go on please formulate an excuse, Wilder hasn't ducked anyone but it appears the Fury name is nothing but all talk no delivery Hughie Fury ducked Wilder and Dyson Fluffy Fury will duck the Bronze Bomber too.
Dawg Fury had a rematch clause in his contract with Wlad, nothing he could have done about that.
That ***** Kathy Duva is the one to blame for that scenario, she could have waited for Fury to fight Wlad and then negotiated with Fury or called for a purse bid, instead she intentionally got Fury stripped by calling for an immediate purse bid even though she knew about the rematch clause.
She wasn't interested in inforcing the mandatory, she was only interested in getting Fury stripped so she can get her fighter a paper title, the same fighter who pulled out of negotiations with Wilder in order to fight for that paper IBF.
So in essence, Duva tried to duck two world champs at the same time while getting her hands on a world title, too bad karma backfired on her.
I'm not a Fury fan, in fact, I'm a Wilder fan, but come on bro I know you didn't just say that.
Let's just wait and see. I think he takes the fight. There would be some serious backlash if he were to indeed vacate. I think the plan is to set up a fight with Fury if they both win their next fights. That's a monster showdown.
So Thurman is fighting in Russia... Against whom?
With Canelo-Khan happening, and Cotto-Provodnikov being discussed, perhaps Thurman vs Kovalev in Moscow is next
Why are you guys always trying to project your wishes/fears/desires on Wilder?
Wilder made it perfectly clear when these 'vacate the belt' rumours first surfaced that he aint vacating no title.
In fact, not only did he say that he wouldn't vacate, he actually said that vacating the belt is the dumbest thing he ever heard and that anyone who actually thought that is stupid. His own words.
So lemmie ask, why yawl being stupid?
Wilder makes lots of claims. Most of them are bollocks. "Nobody wants to fight me doe"