Would he even get past Miranda and Green? Doubt it, wouldn't even get past the 1st set of matches.
Kessler, Abraham, JT, Dirrell, Froch, SOG, damn you can just imagine what they'd do to him.
GGG's already done well against Dirrell in the ams with headgear where his power wasn't as much of a factor. Wasn't much of a nightmare for GGG back then. What's changed?
And, except for the heavy hands, Abraham and GGG are NOTHING alike.
Dirrell settled into being a filled-in super middleweight, while Golvokin, in his 30's, seems to have maxed out at being a so-so sized middleweight.
It's not like Golovkin ever blew Dirrell out in the amateurs, either. Bigger, longer man; not that complicated, imo.
Abraham and Golovkin seem to be about the same size, both guys are said to have power in their fists (though Abraham has shown himself able to one-punch guys at 160, and 168 on occasion), and both guys are susceptible to getting hit.
Kessler beat Froch, why are so many people acting like Froch is a problem but Kessler isn't? They are very much equal fighters. If Golovkin might lose to Froch, obviously he might lose to Kessler. Mikkel was big, tough, had real power and more skill than Froch.
Thats a fair point. I think the difference is in the calculus of "styles make fights", Froch is a better pressure fighter. Kessler imo, like
Froch is on the same basic level... kessler is a text book combo puncher with good power and decent skills in that stand up kind of way. but kessler has one gear. Froch is not textbook, his punches are not as clean, but he can up his gear quickly, on the spur of the moment, and apply pressure in ways Kessler doesn't.
Under these circumstances and given the fact that Golovkin is such a strong puncher, I don't think Kessler can match GGG, Froch's pressure could cause Golovkin to make mistakes...thats my thinking. However with that said, GGG beats both men imo and loses to Ward.
vs:
-Kessler (L, Golovkin doesn't one-punch guys at even 160, Kessler schools him)
-Ward (L, Golovkin doesn't one punch guys at even 160, Ward roughs him up)
-Froch (L, Golovkin doesn't one-punch guys at even 160, granite jaw and long)
-Dirrell (?, Dirrell is a physical nightmare for Golovkin, while also being a full-on 168lber; does the chin hold up?)
-Abraham (?, Golovkin sees a mirror of himself, with Abraham having the punch)
GGG's already done well against Dirrell in the ams with headgear where his power wasn't as much of a factor. Wasn't much of a nightmare for GGG back then. What's changed?
And, except for the heavy hands, Abraham and GGG are NOTHING alike.
G string decisions Allen Green and then his team insists all future opponent weigh 164 or less, after all they are the A side. His spot is filled by a different fighter and again Ward is crowned king
It's hard to tell, because Golovkin was a different fighter in 2009-2011. He wasn't as aggressive, as experienced and wasn't trained as well (he wasn't a big star and had a very low budget).
IMO the 2009 version of Golovkin would be 35/65 vs. Ward, 50/50 vs Froch, 45/55 vs Kessler, 75/35 vs Dirrell and 80/20 vs AA.
The 2015/2016 version of Golovkin wins Super 6.
It all probably boils down to how he does against Froch. He ain't beating Ward imo, He gets past the rest of the crowd, Kessler is a solid fighter but not capable of greatness imo.
Froch is tough and big enough to be a problem... I see this as a bruising, back and fourth fight. I don't think Froch is necessarily made for GG as beercules states, but Froch is there to be hit for sure and GG would have his moments! On the other hand Froch gets tougher when he can make a brawl happen and unlike Ward who can shut the door on this and beat up Froch inside, I don't see GG having those skills.
So...either GG sneaks by Froch, or not, either way Ward beats the winner.
Kessler beat Froch, why are so many people acting like Froch is a problem but Kessler isn't? They are very much equal fighters. If Golovkin might lose to Froch, obviously he might lose to Kessler. Mikkel was big, tough, had real power and more skill than Froch.
Ward most likely beats him, Froch and Kessler are 50/50 fights. It's hard to pick a winner there. Both guys were big, tough, had good chins, and had enough skill to cause Golovkin real problems. Dirrell, well, Dirrell is a huge enigma no matter who he fights.
I think Kessler's a harder fight than Froch for GGG
Ward most likely beats him, Froch and Kessler are 50/50 fights. It's hard to pick a winner there. Both guys were big, tough, had good chins, and had enough skill to cause Golovkin real problems. Dirrell, well, Dirrell is a huge enigma no matter who he fights.
I think he beats everyone convincingly except for Ward and Froch. Those two would give him the toughest fight. A fight with a prime Froch would be very intriguing and competitive. Ward would probably beat him.
The better question us how badass would a Super 6 of 154/160 fighters (at 160) be?
-Golovkin (WBA/IBF/WBC)
-Lara
-Jacobs (wba)
-Saunders (WBO)
-Andrade
-Soro
Fixed for you; there's no way on planet Earth that Alvarez or Cotto would allow themselves to be locked into 3-4 straight fights where their opponents had already been decided for them, let alone have both Charlo brothers put in a predicament where they may have to fight each other.
Doubt that HBO would put up the money/time commitment though.
If Golovkin had been in the super six instead of Jermain Taylor. How does he perform?
vs:
-Kessler (L, Golovkin doesn't one-punch guys at even 160, Kessler schools him)
-Ward (L, Golovkin doesn't one punch guys at even 160, Ward roughs him up)
-Froch (L, Golovkin doesn't one-punch guys at even 160, granite jaw and long)
-Dirrell (?, Dirrell is a physical nightmare for Golovkin, while also being a full-on 168lber; does the chin hold up?)
-Abraham (?, Golovkin sees a mirror of himself, with Abraham having the punch)
Notice how all the Brits knew it was tongue in cheek and some months later Froch said it was. Americans never get it, do they?
When Froch said this?
"It was tongue in cheek back then. I was being a bit cheeky and you can take those comments with a pinch of salt. What I will say though is this guy can f*cking punch: he's dangerous and if he can be avoided we'll avoid him. I'll stand by that and I don't give a sh*t.
Even a shot to bits Abraham convincingly beat Murray who looks better at the weight than he did at MW. Imagine what a prime Abe would do to those sort of guys nevermind a Froch, Kessler or an Andre Ward.
We don't have to imagine, we saw him struggle vs Simon, Ayala, Gevor etc
Even a shot to bits Abraham convincingly beat Murray who looks better at the weight than he did at MW. Imagine what a prime Abe would do to those sort of guys nevermind a Froch, Kessler or an Andre Ward.
You must be joking.
Kessler is a basic boxer that was hurt to the body by Calzaghe. Not only can i see GGG outboxing this guy, he can finish him to the body at any time.
Dirrell has no heart and he will always fall in a tough fight. If he faked neurological damage when AA started to press him, I don't want to imagine what happens to him when GGG cuts the ring on him.
Froch is a tough one but I see GGG's technique and power carrying him through. People forget how bad Froch does at the beginning of fights, and how tentative he fights when he gets hurt.
As for Ward it depends on whether the referee approves of Wards MMA/clinching tactics.
Hurt to the body, I don't remember that and just because a lesser puncher hurts someone doesn't always equate to a bigger one doing so. Finish Kessler to the body at any time because he was apparently visibly hurt once to the body in a 50 fight career lol
Good job its all fantasy because Golovkin and his team have a bag of excuses not to fight anybody deemed a legitimate threat.
You can say and predict anything in fantasy fights and take a split second moment from an entire career and all sorts, its meaningless its what people want to believe but the reality is Golovkin hasn't fought at SMW and hasn't even fought a legitimately good Middleweight nevermind a top, prime Super Middleweight and among some of the best at the weights history.
The only thing people picking Golovkin have to go in is basically these fighters fighting guys worth a damn and sometimes losing or being hurt which is what happens when you fight the guys you are supposed to.
Nobody in the right mind would make this guy favourite to beat Ward or prime Froch or prime Kessler who manhandled much bigger far more proven fighters than GGG in a division above.