Lou spits that real talk about the role of a manager/promoter, the Ali Act and lawsuits, HBO and their output deals, Golden Boy, Arum, PBC/Haymon, his Broadway Boxing series, etc. on a recent 'Technical Draw' podcast.
Very good stuff for fans interested in some of the behind the scenes stuff with boxing. Interview is long.
This site won't let me link directly to it, but the interview can be found by searching for the podcast.
EDIT: Adding shortened link to podcast: http://goo.gl/Le9m29
I overall enjoyed it. Was some insightful **** by DiBella at times. Great 1st guest for this cat, but probably something he was less prepared for than he thought based on some of his silly or ill formed questions that I think DiBella had less patience than others might have had, but its not unexpected a guy with DiBella's schedule would feel like maybe this wasn't the best use of his time & be a lil impatient with the guy.
I actually thought he was a lot impatient, and I also think Lou came on with something he wanted to say and he was going to say it regardless of what the host wanted to talk about.
I didn't really disagree with much of what Lou said. But I also didn't see the need for Lou to come off so aggressive and for him to be yelling at this dude so much. He was a jerk to the guy.
I miss the days when John and Ric on Boxingtruth would just cold call Lou while they were on air and throw a topic at him. He'd have **** to do but they'd throw a topic at him that would get him so fired up he'd stay on the show talking **** for half an hour.
Man, I miss that show. All the new boxing podcasts are ****.
Lou's reactions were justified.
Key man clause? Just look at MLB. Joe Maddon had a key man clause with Andrew Friedman. When Friedman left the Rays for the Dodgers, Maddon became a free agent and went to the Cubs. The host makes this clause seem Nazi-like with his tone. As if Schaefer invented this clause.
I also loved when the host played down Thurman-Porter because it is happening 4 months later than he wanted. Really? Did either of them lose in that time period? Did either of them magically lose their prime? Will that guy talk down Canelo-Golovkin if it happens in 2017, over a year after it should have happened?
No. He's nitpicking. Looking for things to hate on. Just like the rest of the Max Boxing clowns like Steve Kim, Hauser, Dookie Fischer, and that other wannabe. Lou took a poop on that entire clan.
Whoa, c'mon mr Debella, no need to get upset
I actually thought DiBella was a complete douche to the host. The guy was just asking general questions and Dibella actually brought up most of the PBC stuff.
The host didn't go after him or ask any tough questions.
I actually wouldn't blame Lou if he had a problem with someone like Steve Kim, but I didn't think it was fair to go after this guy, he really didn't seem out to grill him or anything. If he wants to yell at Steve Kim, then he should yell at Steve Kim.
Lou started this interview pretty decent and then turned into a jerk. There's no way he doesn't either post here or frequent these threads
Yeah for sure , I think allot of people in the sport frequent these type of threads to get a pulse of what's going on, Don't think allot of them post because they don't want to get involved in this low life f.uckery that goes on here but they defiantly read it probably just to laugh at how retarded boxing fans are.
Got to disagree with you though thought Lou was bringing the heat for the entire interview good to hear his perspective on things and actually agreed with him him on almost everything he talked about.
He was a bit disrespectful but the interviewer is aligned with Steve Kim so probably assumed that he was a biased POS like Kim and Rafeal are and the way he conducted the interview would make it seem he is, But he held his own and did a good job I subscribed to the podcast after listening,Talk about a tough first day on the job though.
And Live Nation signed Jay-Z for $150 million in 2008.
I already pointed out, Live Nation already controlled the majority of Haymon Ventures in the 90's. Jay Z wasn't just dealing with Haymon as you try to make it look.
He didn't have the most successful concert promoting business because he was cheap with the artists! WTF? I remember those Budweiser Music Fest shows when I was a kid. They had the biggest acts in music. You want me to find some old Ebony and Jet magazine articles and scan and upload them here? WTF?
And what does that prove? You made a statement saying he paid the most, that doesn't directly back it up. Hey, TR has been the biggest boxing promoter, do they pay the best? Don King promoted some of the biggest fights with Tyson, did he treat Mike better than anyone else would've? Biggest doesn't mean they paid the best. Like I said before, the music industry is a lot different, there's way more people involved with the decision making so it wouldn't necessarily prove either way.
I know how he works but your original point made it seem like he'd never had to deal with those issues. He did. That's how he made his name in the CONCERT PROMOTIONS BUSINESS You're trying to make it seem like this guy is taking advantage of poor HBO and Showtime. He's doing what every business man has done before him and what every business person will do after him. Use leverage to get the best deal. Why is it such a problem when he does it? You on some other **** tryna make it seem like this dude on some type of welfare or something by pointing out he's using other people money. I just find it strange that you would highlight the fact he used other people money. For anybody else that's called an investment but for some reason when Haymon does it it's a welfare system.
Get your welfare sh*t out of here. I didn't make any f*cking accusations of the sort, but now you have to get desperate and resort to that sh*t, f*ck you. I never had a problem with your posts before today, but this is crap. I'll call out anyone who tries to take control of the sport and doesn't try to make it better. The other scum bag promoters still have to be accountable for their actions keeping them somewhat in check. And again, go f yourself. You've tried to change my words multiple times now in this debate, that's weak.
Haymon just blasted through equivalent to 10 years of HBO's current boxing budget in 10 months and he hasn't built one fighter to anywhere near a Cotto-star level. He's contributed to blocking way more great fights than he's given us. And I've spoken out against HBO. I think they and Showtime have crippled the sport by removing it from an actual market driven environment and inflating purses beyond what's sustainable.
The rumor that she had an "issue" with Haymon came from Kim who said she sued him, which never happened. What "issue" did she have with Haymon? And Jay-Z and Haymon seem to have done business with no problem with Live Nation and Roc Nation. What are these issues?
The rumor she had an issue with Haymon came around before Kim ever 'tweeted' it. And Live Nation is bigger than just Haymon, they kind of bought out the majority of Haymon Ventures in the early 90's, then the remaining 49% in 2010.
He paid the best based on all the top acts choosing him to promote their shows and their shows made the most with Haymon promoting them.
Listen I'm done with this after this post. You stated that Haymon paid the best among concert promoters, then seemingly lectured me something about facts and not opinions. Now you can't support what you posted about him paying more than other concert promoters. Saying all the top acts chose to sign with him b/c 'he paid the best', is not some kind of f*cking validation. Even if you could show what each act generated over a specified time, who did the promotions, the concert industry isn't any where near as simple as the boxing industry. There's way more hands involved.
Getting back to what's relevant - boxing industry - Haymon works off a different platform than a standard boxing promoter. He doesn't have to absorb costs like they do. When your focus is solely on negotiating with the networks on the fighter's behalf and not worrying about your overhead, it's a lot easier to look like a hero. I'm not saying TR hasn't ripped off fighters in the past or maybe they take more than they should. But it's not a fair comparison between how a promoter has to do business and how an adviser who used Mayweather as leverage and now a half-billion dollar cut from a hedge fund, is able to operate.
Where does it say Beyonce sued Haymon?
Jay- Z is said not to like Al Haymon( also Beyonce once sued him) : http://t.co/6WxvdoZvKm #boxing— Steve Kim (@steveucnlive) August 18, 2014
Where did I say sue?
What issue with Beyonce? You mean when Beyonce fired her father as manager and her father sued her? I keep hearing Beyonce sued Haymon but never seen a lawsuit or read an article about Beyonce suing Haymon. That rumor was started by Steve Kim and this is the article he tweeted as proof
http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/1177116/legal-documents-relating-to-beyonce-mathew-knowles-may-shed-light-on
Did I say sue? I said she had problems with Haymon. Her lawyers found out her father was stealing from her and Live Nation alleged their own - Haymon conspired with him on it. She said she didn't sue b/c it was her father.
Budweiser music festival and Eddie Murphy Raw tour. Number one concert promoter in the nation.
WTF is this? You made a claim Haymon paid the best in comparison to the other concert promoters. What's that based on?
Haymon's always been in a position to be generous. His investment risk into these deals has been minimal. When he was at HBO, he was leveraging Floyd in order to get great deals for Williams, Berto, Broner, ect. He was controlling the fight setup w/o having to deal with market pressures for the events. Today he's running off the hedge fund money, and again not having to deal with market pressures.
If Al was a regular promoter he'd probably be less willing to share with his fighters. Personally I'd like to see fighter deals work by a percentage of the overall gross for an event, in which case the promoters should be legally required to report all revenues associated with the event.
But he's not. He's an advisor/manager with a fiduciary responsibility to his fighter.
If he's gone out and found huge pots of money to pay their purses and maximize their income and income streams, AND eliminated a hand in their pocket (that of the traditional 'promoter' role), then he's done EXACTLY what he's supposed to do in his role.
When Al was a concert promoter he paid the best. What are you basing your opinion on? It's not based on facts.
I don't what Al paid performers in the concert industry vs other promoters there, but that would be an interesting baseline to see. Since you're talking facts and not opinions you want to share the sources for that information?
What about his investment risks when he was a promoter?
You're referring to his very successful venture in the music business? Yes he was subjected to market pressures then, but it's also a very different model. However he did have that issue with Beyonce.