Did people forget how bad Wilder looked?

It's almost as if Wilder doesn't believe a man of his stature can generate power from short(er) shots than he already throws.

Wilder looks like he's built to be a jab like Larry Holmes with more power but instead he holds his hands by his waist. Jabs from the waist and pulls it back to the waist. Povetkin might ice him

"behind on the scorecards" :rofl: What the hell were you watching? All the judges and everybody sitting at ringside had Wilder ahead at the time of the stoppage. The only people that didn't have him ahead are the Wilder/PBC/Haymon haters here on NSB. And everybody with a brain.

Lets see how bad he looks once hes undisputed heavyweight champion. I think he sparks fury in 8

That I agree with. I think Wilder is a known quantity. He's a very wild, raw yet powerful boxer. Static, but explosive. He is what he is and will never be the fighter many want him to be. Wilder's still got a few surprises up his sleeve, I feel. The Stiverne fight changed my mind about how good he really was since I, along with the majority of people on this site, picked Stiverne to take him out in brutal fashion. Since then he's looked poor, but I get the feeling he'll up his game for Povetkin and shock a few more doubters. Or maybe he gets blasted out. I don't know and don't really care so long as the fight gets made and is reasonably exciting and controversy free.

Of course Fury and Klitschko handle him with ease, but they operate at a higher level than Wilder so that's no surprise. Joshua is still an unknown quantity; maybe he blasts him out, maybe he struggles and raises more questions. I'm not going to make any predictions because that's besides the point; the only thing that matters is the result itself. That I agree with. I think Wilder is a known quantity. He's a very wild, raw yet powerful boxer. Static, but explosive. He is what he is and will never be the fighter many want him to be.

I suppose then you are including Wilder at that level since he definitely gave him a test? That guy would be sparked cold by a Haye or Joshua or Klitschko in 3 rounds or less. Of course Fury and Klitschko handle him with ease, but they operate at a higher level than Wilder so that's no surprise. Joshua is still an unknown quantity; maybe he blasts him out, maybe he struggles and raises more questions. I'm not going to make any predictions because that's besides the point; the only thing that matters is the result itself.

Duhaupas is a bum. End of. A gatekeeper is someone like Dereck Chisora (who would have a damn good chance of beating Wilder imo)

Who the hell made the belgian wafflemaker the gatekeeper? :lol1: He's a solid, consistently performing opponent with the sort of no-risk style that will give fighters problems if they can't handle the basic things he brings. In other words he gives us a certain yardstick against which to measure otherwise unknown quantities like prospects coming up. I'm not saying he beats any of the guys you mentioned, only that he's a good litmus test for exposing any flaws fighters might have.

Maybe, but Parker has yet to fight anyone on his level, and Joshua just had a shock against the untested Whyte. Duhaupas ain't great, but he's one of those guys who's always going to give guys of a certain level a test due to his meat and potatoes style. I suppose then you are including Wilder at that level since he definitely gave him a test? That guy would be sparked cold by a Haye or Joshua or Klitschko in 3 rounds or less.

If they beat Duhaupas then sure I'd agree with that. Joshua's nearly there already, and Parker just needs a name win to propel him into the top ten. Who the hell made the belgian wafflemaker the gatekeeper? :lol1:

I thought he looked good against Duhaupas despite the level of opponent. But against Szpilka he didn't control the distance as well, his balance was worse especially during exchanges, from memory I felt like after missing vs Duhaupas, he brought his hands back to the right position faster/more often than he did vs Szpilka. In terms of his offense, it looked good in both fights. Some great combos vs Duhaupas who has a hell of a chin. He throws some real sickening looking body shots, he missed one against Szpilka that looked like it would've split a liver in half if it'd landed. Neither guy is on Povetkin's level, but in general I feel slightly less confident in his ability to control that fight now than I did a month ago. Can he land enough on the outside to make Povetkin think twice about coming in too aggressively? Sure, I think he'll win some rounds that way. But he'll be missing some of those shots, leaving openings. I'm also not sure he can get the better of things once it gets inside, Wlad clinched the **** out of this guy, Wilder doesn't have that approach, he'll be fighting back and when he does he might do serious damage or he might miss, be off balance, open and get caught. Considering how hard both guys hit either could win by KO after being behind on points. Wilder hits harder but is sloppier and makes more mistakes. Can't wait for the fight it feels like a real 50/50. I dig your opinion of the Wilder Povetkin fight. Either man has a great chance to win, and it'll ultimately boil down to who can avoid the other's shots to land their own. Povetkin's an overall more skilful fighter than Wilder (more well schooled, better amateur pedigree, crisper technique) but he's hardly the world's most elusive target, and tends to need to get on the inside to do real damage. On the outside he's decidedly average, and quite prone to jabs and right hands, two punches which Wilder throws really, really well. If Wilder uses a similar gameplan to the Stiverne fight he can really do a number on Povetkin, who's tough but not unhurtable. On the other hand, if he tries to brawl it out with Povetkin he's leaving himself very open to a devastating shot from one of the best combination punchers in the division. He might well have success as well, though given Povetkin's experience in these types of situations I'd favour him to land the more telling blows.

Serious question, why do you hate Wilder so much? Sheesh you have an ax to grind with that mother****er lol. He makes a point though. Why do we treat wilder like hes a young prospect when hes a 30 year old heavyweight champ?

Wilder has the physical (height, length and power) tools. Skills-wise, he sucks.

He got lit up by a cherry he picked, on 5 weeks notice. people have low standards for wilder, it seems Serious question, why do you hate Wilder so much? Sheesh you have an ax to grind with that mother****er lol.

Wilder has gone from bad to decent. Being chased around by an overrated to begin with + dangerously ill Stiverne wasn't a very impressive victory to me. That was one of the worst HW fights I've seen in a while. Szpilka was a much more meaningful display of progress. Not great but better. We can finally consider him a legitimate heavyweight contender, nothing more nothing less.

Both of them clean Duhapas clock. Anyway apart from sqeaking past a shot charr, who the hell has duhapas beaten? Maybe, but Parker has yet to fight anyone on his level, and Joshua just had a shock against the untested Whyte. Duhaupas ain't great, but he's one of those guys who's always going to give guys of a certain level a test due to his meat and potatoes style.

If they beat Duhaupas then sure I'd agree with that. Joshua's nearly there already, and Parker just needs a name win to propel him into the top ten. Both of them clean Duhapas clock. Anyway apart from sqeaking past a shot charr, who the hell has duhapas beaten?

He may have been a good solid test for someone coming up in the game, but not a world champion with 36 fights under his belt. If Duhapaus is the measuring stick than Joshua, Parker and Hughie Fury are more than ready for the top level If they beat Duhaupas then sure I'd agree with that. Joshua's nearly there already, and Parker just needs a name win to propel him into the top ten.

I watched the fight a few days ago. Duhaupas was no Chris Byrd, but he had head movement, make no mistake about that. I don't rate Duhaupas super high, but he was nowhere near as bad as people tried to make him out. He was a good solid test, and Wilder handled him pretty well, despite the eye injury. He may have been a good solid test for someone coming up in the game, but not a world champion with 36 fights under his belt. If Duhapaus is the measuring stick than Joshua, Parker and Hughie Fury are more than ready for the top level