I just saw this video of Maidana back when he was like 24 years old and saw how unrefined he was, he won fights with power alone and almost no boxing skills. Then he got with Robert Garcia and was improving every single fight even against Mayweather it showed he was still not done improving. If he had stayed fighting I think he could have had a good run to be the top dog at welterweight.
What do you guys think? Oh yeah, and his style was entertaining as hell. Imagine Marcos Maidana vs Danny Garcia on PBC? I think Maidana would have completely wasted poor Robert Guerrero lol
He really messed that guy up at 0:45
Hell yeah. Dude was a warrior with just the right amount of vulnerability to make even lower level fights interesting. Guts, passion, hellacious punching power and an all action style. What's not to love really?
He's exiting the game with a lot more to give (in physical terms). Can't blame him for his decision, but yeah, I'll miss him.
Sure but lets be honest here, what was his last good win?
Victor Ortiz? Adrien Broner? :ugh:
#truthbombs
Is Adrien Broner not a good win or something?
I'd give him more credit for making Mayweather work in their first fight than for beating Ortiz.
The one who is all over the place is you. He brings up valid arguments and points, the progress Maidana made under Garcia is very evident in his later fights, your feeble attempts at discrediting his legacy and making him appear like some face first brawler and ignoring his technical prowess and slick, elusive style are disrespectful and irresponsible.
Maidana beat no one, while under Garcia's tutelage, that he wouldn't have beaten pre Garcia. Your love for a crude punching brawler, who lost easily to Devon Alexander, and ran from Keith Thurman is evident by the manner in which you make Maidana out to be more than he was. I never said he wasn't a fan friendly fighter, I never said he didn't have a chin or power. Maidana's claim to fame though is over achieving in losing wide twice to Floyd Mayweather. In fact, Mayweather was so comfortable in the ring with the slow crude punching Maidana, that he fought him twice, because Maidana was easier money, than one of the younger, more athletic guys like Brook or Thurman.
Yeah he did. I asked a question. Your debating style and emotion suggest you are of an immature age. Alexander beat Maidana in 2012. He fought Soto Karass more than two years later when he was on the downslide. Clearly not the same fighter he was two years prior. Once again, we aren't talking about Floyd, Khan or Bradley. I am not even a Alexander guy. We are talking about Chino, and I mentioned how Alexander easily beat him. Chino is a likable boxer, has a ton of heart. He is somewhat limited though, and not all that good in my opinion. You are all over the place with your post.
The one who is all over the place is you. He brings up valid arguments and points, the progress Maidana made under Garcia is very evident in his later fights, your feeble attempts at discrediting his legacy and making him appear like some face first brawler and ignoring his technical prowess and slick, elusive style are disrespectful and irresponsible.
And Alexander fought a Soto Karass who had already been stopped by Maidana and Thurman and Alexander still struggled.
Struggled? He won a wide decision.
I will, he was an entertaining fighter! His fight against Ortiz made me a fan long before his matches with Broner or Mayweather. Maidana had his flaws but he was always must see TV. Hope his retirement is permanent and enjoyable.
Sure but lets be honest here, what was his last good win?
Victor Ortiz? Adrien Broner? :ugh:
#truthbombs
They were both undefeated when he beat both of them to be fair. Ortiz' only loss was because he knocked someone the **** out with an illegal punch lol.
Yes he does, when he failed to do so he didn't look too good, Soto Karass is another good example of that. It was clear that Maidana's inability to push Alexander back played a major role in his defeat, it was also clear that not being able to utilize his free hand the way he's accustomed to, especially with rabbit punching, did as well. I've always known Maidana was mid range, this is why he's real selective with what he does on the inside, he picks his opportunities well but against Alexander all that was neutralized.
So what you're basically saying is that illegal tactics that can be neutralized depending on the referee is the reason why Alexander is a better fighter? Lol, let's say it's Jack Reese as the referee and Alexander starts getting points deducted for holding...BINGO. Game over. Also, it was their first fight at 147. Alexander was very well filled out while if you look at both of their bodies, you can see Maidana's body grew into the division over time where as Alexander hasn't changed much at all. That's not much of a factor though.
Actually, that's one of the biggest misconceptions about Maidana's style. He doesn't out muscle his opponents. He did that against Floyd. Maidana's is a mid-range fighter, contrary to popular belief. Maidana's style is more like how he fought Floyd in the rematch than in the 1st fight. He relies more on landing his power punches than "out muscling". Shawn Porter out muscles his opponents, Maidana just happens to keep range very often and he effectively cuts off the ring so to the naked eye it appears like he's doing what Porter does, but the reason he has more power than Porter is because he doesn't smother his offense and relies on staying at a distance to effectively get leverage on his power. Again, there's more to Maidana than you think.
Yes he does, when he failed to do so he didn't look too good, Soto Karass is another good example of that. It was clear that Maidana's inability to push Alexander back played a major role in his defeat, it was also clear that not being able to utilize his free hand the way he's accustomed to, especially with rabbit punching, did as well. I've always known Maidana was mid range, this is why he's real selective with what he does on the inside, he picks his opportunities well but against Alexander all that was neutralized.
Garcia had him more defensively responsible, made him throw shorter punches but it wouldn't have been enough to beat Alexander. I don't think highly of Alexander, lord knows I was one of his biggest critics when he was coming up but I do feel that he's Maidana's kryptonite. Maidana's style is dependent on being able to outmuscle his opponents and he just can't do that against Alexander. Alexander having a very solid chin didn't help either.
Actually, that's one of the biggest misconceptions about Maidana's style. He doesn't out muscle his opponents. He did that against Floyd. Maidana's is a mid-range fighter, contrary to popular belief. Maidana's style is more like how he fought Floyd in the rematch than in the 1st fight. He relies more on landing his power punches than "out muscling". Shawn Porter out muscles his opponents, Maidana just happens to keep range very often and he effectively cuts off the ring so to the naked eye it appears like he's doing what Porter does, but the reason he has more power than Porter is because he doesn't smother his offense and relies on staying at a distance to effectively get leverage on his power. Again, there's more to Maidana than you think.
My friend, having someone's number is a lot more than "wrap his right arm around his opponent's waist" lol. You also said he's not distinctly different? I really feel like making a video just to finally stop people from bringing up the "he lost to Alexander doe" argument. He's tremendously different. If you think Alexander would have beaten the Maidana that Floyd fought then that's fair, I won't argue that. It's just that when people say he's still the same fighter, it bothers me. Just like how Khan changed under Virgil Hunter. There seems to be a small minority that thinks Maidana is still the same even though it was blatantly obvious that he wasn't and it caught everyone by surprise with the Karass fight.
The guy you have in your GIF, Canelo is also different than when he was fighting the likes of Shane Mosley. A lot of people still think he's the same fighter, but it's blatantly obvious from the Cotto fight that he has new tricks up his sleeve. He's still a counter-puncher and remains largely the same, but he's putting a large emphasis on his athleticism and agility. Maidana meanwhile put a large emphasis on technique rather than just simply delivering power. Look at him in the video I posted. Now look at this:
Not at all the same..
Garcia had him more defensively responsible, made him throw shorter punches but it wouldn't have been enough to beat Alexander. I don't think highly of Alexander, lord knows I was one of his biggest critics when he was coming up but I do feel that he's Maidana's kryptonite. Maidana's style is dependent on being able to outmuscle his opponents and he just can't do that against Alexander. Alexander having a very solid chin didn't help either.
Maidana wasn't that distinctively different with Garcia, the thing is, Maidana likes to wrap his right arm around his opponent's waist whilst using his left, he tried it against Alexander multiple times and Alexander simply moved into him or tied his left arm up. Alexander showed that he's physically strong enough to handle Maidana's pressure, has the durability to do so and a good enough offense that clicked.
Devon simply has his number, winning every round more than told me that. 7 minutes of a misleading video isn't gonna take away from the good performance Devon had that night, I don't even like Alexander but that's what it was, he has his number.
My friend, having someone's number is a lot more than "wrap his right arm around his opponent's waist" lol. You also said he's not distinctly different? I really feel like making a video just to finally stop people from bringing up the "he lost to Alexander doe" argument. He's tremendously different. If you think Alexander would have beaten the Maidana that Floyd fought then that's fair, I won't argue that. It's just that when people say he's still the same fighter, it bothers me. Just like how Khan changed under Virgil Hunter. Khan hasn't changed that much but he still became a much more defensive fighter (whether it hurt him or not is up to you). There seems to be a small minority that thinks Maidana is still the same even though it was blatantly obvious that he wasn't and it caught everyone by surprise with the Karass fight.
The guy you have in your GIF, Canelo is also different than when he was fighting the likes of Shane Mosley. A lot of people still think he's the same fighter, but it's blatantly obvious from the Cotto fight that he has new tricks up his sleeve. He's still a counter-puncher and remains largely the same, but he's putting a large emphasis on his athleticism and agility. Maidana meanwhile put a large emphasis on technique and strategy rather than just simply delivering power. Look at him in the video I posted. Now look at this:
Not at all the same..