Fury has brought more excitement as HW Champ in two months then Wlad did in 10 years

The subject of the thread is agreeable. Only thing I liked about Klit's Ho, was when he got pummeled by the South African Freddie Mercury (Corrie Sanders). Did anyone here even knew Corrie Sanders died in 2012 at the age of only 46 due to an armed robbery where he got shot? I had no clue. This was never in the news just because he isn't American. It's kinda sad. Only in South African where a group of blacks can shoot a white man and not a cry foul of racism is involved. If Sanders shot at blacks it would have been a racism issue. Anyway, King Meat, that pic of Floyd and Manny is that real or photoshopped? thats right after the bell rang.

Very impressed, good job buddy. Thank you, It's nice to have found somewhere that I can have an outlet for my rambling boxing thoughts. :banana::banana: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/images/faces/banana.gif

I wrote it. Source was my noggin! Thank you chap. Very impressed, good job buddy.

Excellent post but you should give the source. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android I wrote it. Source was my noggin! Thank you chap.

TYSON FURY – FLOAT LIKE A BUMBLE BEE, STING LIKE A…BEE? Science tells us that the Bumble Bee should not be able to fly. The Bumble Bee does not care a jot for science, and happily flies anywhere it wishes. The ‘Sweet Science” tells us that Tyson Fury should not be the Undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the World. Tyson Fury lifted the belts held by Wladimir Klitschko for much of the past decade, with little more trouble than a bumble bee experiences lifting pollen from a daisy. Very, very few people (and I will include myself strongly in this camp) really believed that Fury had a chance against Wlad in last month’s challenge. Sure he was an unbeaten challenger that could talk a good game, and one that was actually bigger than the reigning champion, but he has so many obvious flaws, that it was almost inconceivable to give him anything but a punchers chance. And his punch has often disappointed! So why did so many esteemed ‘experts’ fail to even offer a sliver of hope to the controversial man from Manchester? What did everybody miss? I feel the main reason is two-fold, firstly Fury is a solid all-rounder without any obvious stand-out strength in his arsenal. The lack of an obvious stand out strength (Wilder has POWER, Haye has SPEED, Vitali had STEEL, etc...) is then seen as almost a weakness of itself, "he's not a puncher, he's not fast, ne's not got great whiskers, etc...) He is not a concussive one-punch knock out artist that will generate a great youtube video of his highlights, and so many will lazily say he hasn’t got the power, despite the former point not proving the later point. He clearly has enough power to dissuade even the very top opponents to keep their guard and their distance (reference Wlad's battered face after their encounter). He is not fast and flashy, a dancing destroyer like the Herbie Hide of the 90’s, or relative speedster's like Holyfield and Haye that have come up from Cruiserweight, but again this should not mean that one assumes he is not quick enough of hand and foot to control the range and tempo of a fight, as he illustrated quite masterfully when ascending to the throne in Germany. He does not possess a granite chin, having been floored heavily by both Cunningham and Pajkic, but the fact that he quickly recovered in both of those bouts (unlike Lennox Lewis managed against McCall and Rahman, or indeed Wladimir managed against Brewster, Sanders or even Puritty) is ignored and he is labelled "chinny". His conditioning and physique suggest that he is not in great shape or taking the business as seriously as a sculptured hulk like Wilder or Anthony Joshua, but once again, we should not ignore that Tyson has appeared relatively comfortable beating Klitschko, Johnson and Chisora over the 12 round championship distance. The above points combine to paint a picture of a fighter without explosive power, mediocre speed, that is a little chinny and does not train or prepare properly. This leads to the second point: all of the above is further exacerbated by the ribbon that wraps the entire package; the madcap giant that can often appear clumsy in the ring (the most viewed Youtube clip of Fury remains the one where he misses his uppercut and punches himself in the face). He proved conclusively against Wladimir that whilst he will clown around, both inside and outside of the ring, he is not a fool. And maybe his “weaknesses” are actually a strength. Opponents are unlikely to enter the ring with huge concerns regarding his power, but a trained fighting man of six-foot-nine weighing in around eighteen stone is quickly going to have them realise that they do not want to take to many clean shots, or risk taking one to give one back. His speed will not have something that an opponent is likely to have developed a particular game plan to try and counter, and then during the first round they realise they are taking jabs to the nose whilst feeling they were comfortably out of range. Fighters opposing the Champion may hold back shots looking for the big pay-off punch that will cause the end of his reign, but struggle for range against the effective, if not Vivian Harris-like balletic, footwork, seeing the points pile up against them in the meanwhile as the rounds tick over at a comfortable pace for one so big and heavy. After the Klitschko fight, I read a quote from Chisora that “Fury must know voodoo as when you finally get in the ring with him you have no energy”. Del Boy raises a good point, albeit whilst missing the real reasons as I doubt the Fury camp have dolls of his opponents in the dressing room stuffed full of pins. But has any fighter managed to look good, even for a prolonged spell within a bout, when fighting Tyson? Has anyone that has entered the ring to combat him even matched their expectations, let alone exceeded them? He is clearly awkward in the extreme, carries a spiteful punch with either hand, is effective (if not slick) in his movements, with a sound punch resistance, and the sizeable bulk needed to manage the range at which a fight is fought along with the pace with which it proceeds at. Add to that the ability to (almost) always be the bigger man, to lean on and sap strength and stamina of his opponents. I wrote off the big man’s chances against Klitschko. I even "donated" £10 to the Bookmakers the night he first fought Chisora, thinking that Del Boy’s more conventional style, solid whiskers and powerful hooks would be too much for Fury to deal with, even after a ring walk that suggested Chisora’s training camp had taken place inside the local Burger King and had seen him eat two of his sparring partners! After getting it so wrong, I (just like the real experts) I now start to ponder how long Fury can reign for as the figurehead of the sport, will he emulate Muhammed Ali and be revered as the (or one of the) Greatest, or be more like Leon Spinks and simply become a chapter in someone else’s story? Whatever and however long he remains the champ, I fear it will be a constant case of proving himself. In the run up to the rematch with Wladimir, many will no doubt say they expect that Wladimir will “show-up” this time and reclaim the greatest prize in sport, somehow suggesting Wladimir lost the belts, rather than Tyson won them. If Tyson retains and looks towards the equally criticised Wilder, many observers will undoubtedly point to the knockdowns of his past and state that Wilder’s power will decide the day. Beyond that there is little doubt that many will make a case that more traditional, conventional and dare I say, well-mannered fighters coming through like Joshua, Parker et al will dethroned Fury once they step up. I am starting to come around to the idea that we could see a good number of years with Fury starting as the champion in the ring, and the makeweight with the bookies, only to emerge victorious and continue to find a way to win against “superior” boxers. The scientists will keep saying that it can’t, but this bumble bee might just find a way to keep on flying for a very long time. Excellent post but you should give the source. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

Fury has brought more drama ....but not inside the ring. Stupidity is always fun to watch. Look at Donald Trump. Trainwrecks are a glorious thing. It's all fun and games til someone gets knocked out. But I will give Fury credit. He's been fighting really well....not particularly exciting but still doing a good job. Tyson Fury and Donald Trump going at it would make good television.

TYSON FURY – FLOAT LIKE A BUMBLE BEE, STING LIKE A…BEE? Science tells us that the Bumble Bee should not be able to fly. The Bumble Bee does not care a jot for science, and happily flies anywhere it wishes. The ‘Sweet Science” tells us that Tyson Fury should not be the Undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the World. Tyson Fury lifted the belts held by Wladimir Klitschko for much of the past decade, with little more trouble than a bumble bee experiences lifting pollen from a daisy. Very, very few people (and I will include myself strongly in this camp) really believed that Fury had a chance against Wlad in last month’s challenge. Sure he was an unbeaten challenger that could talk a good game, and one that was actually bigger than the reigning champion, but he has so many obvious flaws, that it was almost inconceivable to give him anything but a punchers chance. And his punch has often disappointed! So why did so many esteemed ‘experts’ fail to even offer a sliver of hope to the controversial man from Manchester? What did everybody miss? I feel the main reason is two-fold, firstly Fury is a solid all-rounder without any obvious stand-out strength in his arsenal. The lack of an obvious stand out strength (Wilder has POWER, Haye has SPEED, Vitali had STEEL, etc...) is then seen as almost a weakness of itself, "he's not a puncher, he's not fast, ne's not got great whiskers, etc...) He is not a concussive one-punch knock out artist that will generate a great youtube video of his highlights, and so many will lazily say he hasn’t got the power, despite the former point not proving the later point. He clearly has enough power to dissuade even the very top opponents to keep their guard and their distance (reference Wlad's battered face after their encounter). He is not fast and flashy, a dancing destroyer like the Herbie Hide of the 90’s, or relative speedster's like Holyfield and Haye that have come up from Cruiserweight, but again this should not mean that one assumes he is not quick enough of hand and foot to control the range and tempo of a fight, as he illustrated quite masterfully when ascending to the throne in Germany. He does not possess a granite chin, having been floored heavily by both Cunningham and Pajkic, but the fact that he quickly recovered in both of those bouts (unlike Lennox Lewis managed against McCall and Rahman, or indeed Wladimir managed against Brewster, Sanders or even Puritty) is ignored and he is labelled "chinny". His conditioning and physique suggest that he is not in great shape or taking the business as seriously as a sculptured hulk like Wilder or Anthony Joshua, but once again, we should not ignore that Tyson has appeared relatively comfortable beating Klitschko, Johnson and Chisora over the 12 round championship distance. The above points combine to paint a picture of a fighter without explosive power, mediocre speed, that is a little chinny and does not train or prepare properly. This leads to the second point: all of the above is further exacerbated by the ribbon that wraps the entire package; the madcap giant that can often appear clumsy in the ring (the most viewed Youtube clip of Fury remains the one where he misses his uppercut and punches himself in the face). He proved conclusively against Wladimir that whilst he will clown around, both inside and outside of the ring, he is not a fool. And maybe his “weaknesses” are actually a strength. Opponents are unlikely to enter the ring with huge concerns regarding his power, but a trained fighting man of six-foot-nine weighing in around eighteen stone is quickly going to have them realise that they do not want to take to many clean shots, or risk taking one to give one back. His speed will not have something that an opponent is likely to have developed a particular game plan to try and counter, and then during the first round they realise they are taking jabs to the nose whilst feeling they were comfortably out of range. Fighters opposing the Champion may hold back shots looking for the big pay-off punch that will cause the end of his reign, but struggle for range against the effective, if not Vivian Harris-like balletic, footwork, seeing the points pile up against them in the meanwhile as the rounds tick over at a comfortable pace for one so big and heavy. After the Klitschko fight, I read a quote from Chisora that “Fury must know voodoo as when you finally get in the ring with him you have no energy”. Del Boy raises a good point, albeit whilst missing the real reasons as I doubt the Fury camp have dolls of his opponents in the dressing room stuffed full of pins. But has any fighter managed to look good, even for a prolonged spell within a bout, when fighting Tyson? Has anyone that has entered the ring to combat him even matched their expectations, let alone exceeded them? He is clearly awkward in the extreme, carries a spiteful punch with either hand, is effective (if not slick) in his movements, with a sound punch resistance, and the sizeable bulk needed to manage the range at which a fight is fought along with the pace with which it proceeds at. Add to that the ability to (almost) always be the bigger man, to lean on and sap strength and stamina of his opponents. I wrote off the big man’s chances against Klitschko. I even "donated" £10 to the Bookmakers the night he first fought Chisora, thinking that Del Boy’s more conventional style, solid whiskers and powerful hooks would be too much for Fury to deal with, even after a ring walk that suggested Chisora’s training camp had taken place inside the local Burger King and had seen him eat two of his sparring partners! After getting it so wrong, I (just like the real experts) I now start to ponder how long Fury can reign for as the figurehead of the sport, will he emulate Muhammed Ali and be revered as the (or one of the) Greatest, or be more like Leon Spinks and simply become a chapter in someone else’s story? Whatever and however long he remains the champ, I fear it will be a constant case of proving himself. In the run up to the rematch with Wladimir, many will no doubt say they expect that Wladimir will “show-up” this time and reclaim the greatest prize in sport, somehow suggesting Wladimir lost the belts, rather than Tyson won them. If Tyson retains and looks towards the equally criticised Wilder, many observers will undoubtedly point to the knockdowns of his past and state that Wilder’s power will decide the day. Beyond that there is little doubt that many will make a case that more traditional, conventional and dare I say, well-mannered fighters coming through like Joshua, Parker et al will dethroned Fury once they step up. I am starting to come around to the idea that we could see a good number of years with Fury starting as the champion in the ring, and the makeweight with the bookies, only to emerge victorious and continue to find a way to win against “superior” boxers. The scientists will keep saying that it can’t, but this bumble bee might just find a way to keep on flying for a very long time.

You guys who act like Ali was boxings version of Jesus are hilarious to me. He was just a guy working a hustle he stole from a wrestler (which is what people seem to be offended about with Fury's actions last night oddly enough). You can audibly here people chuckling at how much of a knucklehead Ali was to them in old clips. The fans called him a runner & scared to stand & fight. Ali had the same failures & dumb moves as anyone else & wasn't appreciated by most in his time or at least til his later years/after his banishment. And don't get me wrong I greatly respect Ali & how well he captured the imagination of fans. Thats no ordinary feat, but to act like no one is comparable to Ali in the ****talking world is silly & just wrong. Also golf clap at resorting to name calling directly out the gate lol you f#cking momo. I absolutely agree with everything you said. People are such sheep. They give credence to a name just because it's very well known and iconic for many reasons that have nothing to do with being a great boxer. People do the same thing with musicians. The Beatles were the greatest ever....NO. Michael Jackson is a genius....hell no! Madonna and Gene Simmons are genius business people. The world is full of idiots who can't think for themselves. There have been many,many fighters as good as Ali and many who from other eras that would've beat him just as he was beaten in his own era a few times. Blasphemy, right?!

Fury has brought more excitement as HW Champ in two months then Wlad did in 10 years. Sad for Wlad because I've always respected him as a great fighter but it's true. Finally people are talking about the heavyweights. Love him or hate him, controversy sells and he's exactly the character that the sport needs right now. Last nights confrontation of Fury-Wilder was excitement in the heavyweight division we haven't seen in a very long time. Fury has brought more drama ....but not inside the ring. Stupidity is always fun to watch. Look at Donald Trump. Trainwrecks are a glorious thing. It's all fun and games til someone gets knocked out. But I will give Fury credit. He's been fighting really well....not particularly exciting but still doing a good job.

LOL you can't talk about Ali without people going all over the place &/or misunderstanding you &/or putting words in your mouth. Again it seems I'm talking about abc & you are talking about xyz. I never brought up talent. I never brought up charisma. Well I did comment on charisma after someone else brought it up & I believe I said Fury doesn't compare to Ali in charisma, but he's not an "average guy of the street" in charisma either as the person I countered suggested & he's for sure one of the most charismatic guys in the game today. What I'm saying is Fury is the best attention getter & **** talker in the game probably since Ali. And I only say probably cuz that was a long ass time ago & I could be forgetting a guy or two. That is what I'm saying. I'm not saying Fury would KO Ali, I'm not saying Fury is the better fighter. I'm not saying Fury's actual boxing career will compare to Ali's in any way outside of their **** talking & being HW champion of the world. I'm not saying Fury has the bigger dick (maybe Anorak can comment on that). I'm saying what I'm saying & I'm not saying most of the counterpoints people keep bringing up to suggest I'm incorrect. I think Roy Jones, David Haye, and Floyd Mayweather are closer to grabbing attention than Fury is. Like I said before, Floyd is the modern Ali not Fury. And for the record I know exactly what you meant.

I agree although we must remember Wlad was a historically boring champion. Between him and May/Pac, it nearly killed boxing.

What Fury has done is prove the theory that a UK or US champion was all people needed to be interested in heavyweight again. On November 28th, a division infested with bums has been transformed to a division overflowing with talent. Nah not buying that thats the only reason. We went from a very vanilla champion, dull fights, dull press conferences, who looked so far above his competition that potential matchups werent that interesting... To having a mental, brash, vulnerable, Irish traveller as champ. Not only that but we have guys like Wilder, Ortiz and a resurgent Povetkin knocking out fellow contenders, Parker and Joshua starting to make waves (both on PPV in their own countries), and an older Wlad/ returning Haye still in the mix too. The division isnt loaded with talent, I havent seen many people claiming that, it is way more exciting though. Compared to a few years ago there are loads of match ups that excite me, and the next years could bring even more.

Agreed. He's much needed imo.

What Fury has done is prove the theory that a UK or US champion was all people needed to be interested in heavyweight again. On November 28th, a division infested with bums has been transformed to a division overflowing with talent.

Again this makes zero sense to me unless you consider Ali some god like all powerful entity in boxing. He's just a guy to me. A guy who did amazing things in the sport of boxing, but a guy right there with Ray Robinson, Willie Pep, Ricardo Lopez & so many others who did similar things. Plus it seems like the #1 piece of evidence that Fury is in no way like Ali is charisma. I'd say charisma doesn't necessarily have to play a part in **** talking which they both were/are great at. And cmon I gotta take some credibility points from you for saying Fury gots the charisma of some bloke off the street. That clearly isn't the case. I contend its nearly impossible to dislike Fury if you got an open mind & aren't a tight ass person when you just listen to him talking as a person. So you can suggest he's not on Ali's level of charisma & get no argument from me, but he's without question one of the more charismatic people in boxing today. I take it you are no Ali fan since he bit a large part of his persona from a pro wrestler? Ali was a lot like Tyson is one respect: he was a man who studied his craft and all aspects of it. Where as Mike studied the older fighters...and one can see Dempsey all in Mike Tyson's approach, from the pivots, the approach, etc...Ali studied the theatrics of the wrasslers and the angles and approach used by martial artists. Ali also studied the greats...one can see Ray robinson in Ali's approach, among others.

Fury has more charisma in his little finger than what Klit has in total. I don't rate Fury one bit but I like the way he portrays himself as tongue-in-cheek pantomime villain. Although the standard of the division is still awful, now it's fun and worth talking about. Still though, the general public have no idea of the likes of Wilder, Fury etc.

He weighed less than 200 at one point in time, right? Didn't he start out as a light heavyweight? Before he was a pro...

Funny thing is the day after a new heavyweight titlist is crowned and both David Haye and Deontay Wilder had fights, everyone is still talking about Tyson Fury. This is why he stands out from the pack. We finally have a legitimate champion bringing excitement back to the heavyweight division. Well that might be overstating it a bit, but don't let me rain on your parade. :fing02:

Acting like a pro wrestler instead of the heavyweight champion of the world may be excitement to you but it isn't excitement to me. His over the top display with Wilder after Wilder won his fight wasn't exciting. It was classless and uncalled for and as fake as a three dollar bill. He had no intention of fighting Wilder then and there for free. As a boxing fan my excitement comes from fights in the ring. His dominate win over Wlad was not exciting. Wlad was a good champion for many years. He fought all worthy challengers in a timely manner and defended his title often. He usually ended his fights by knock out. He did so without any sideshow theatrics or singing any unwanted songs to a captive audience. Fury is the true heavyweight champion of the world. He could act with dignity and let his fists do the talking like many heavyweight champions before him. He could also continue to act like a classless clown, an attention hog and an immature giant 10 year old bully. Fury is the undisputed champion. Have some respect. As the champion you get to check the contenders lining up for a shot at the throne now and then, it comes with the territory, paper champs need to remember their place.

He weighed less than 200 at one point in time, right? Didn't he start out as a light heavyweight? No, weighing 220 pounds as a pro definitely does not make you a light heavy weight lol