Robbie Lawler: Mayweather wouldn't last 2 minutes with any top UFC fighter

[QUOTE=Eff Pandas; You seem to think boxing for 10 years gives you fist superpowers, but training MMA for 10 years doesn't make one superior to nearly every boxer in all other combat sports except boxing. Sugar Ray Lenrd: Nah...I don't think like that first of all every fighter must be respected, no matter what art you practice, by doing that you are half way to defeating your opponent. But under this foolish assumption that boxers don't know how to grapple, kick, choke...as boxer you naturally gonna stick to your element first. as for your style, if you can't grapple effectively than what have you?...it's like tossing a coin in the air you must play your cards properly. Just remember if you ever run into boxer...I warned you Eff Pandas; I wasn't noting Toney for losing a MMA fight, I was noting Toney cuz like I said pretty clearly most boxers are gonna be just like Toney when they get taken down. Sugar Ray Lenrd: But they won't be like Toney, his instincts are shot, he is slower, get it? he does not have a boxers proper instinct anymore. So the Toney example is irrelevant. Your argument is that most boxer will turnout like Toney & that is misleading Toney is considered a has been for over a decade...Of course he would be easy to grapple & take down...what don't you get? Eff Pandas; But based on this lil debate we got going I don't expect you to be able to grasp certain analogy's or just basic comparisons. Sugar Ray Lenrd: I am a trainer, and what I see in the gym speaks for itself. I am approach constantly to train UFC figthers...And i'm sorry but many of them look lost even in their own game. I feel sorry for them, their trainers for the most part are taking these fighters for a long ride...if you know what i mean. And son, yes i do get it, each one will excel in their own dwelling, but don't come posting in here that it's a sure bet that you are gonna lick a boxer in the streets. it is incorrect & misleading. And like I posted before 90% of boxers in my gym are from the streets so don't count them out in their natural dwelling. UFC fighters in my gym are 20% from the streets.

Roger Federor would barely win a point against any top 10 squash player.

So a boxer is just gonna naturally take to MMA type non-boxing fighting or have non-boxing MMA skills on point with a MMA guy? LOL thats f#cking nuts. I don't buy that at all. Maybe some small percentage of boxers will like I said, but that won't be the standard story. Sugar Ray Lenrd: Enjoy you fantasy UFC Video game.... Eff Pandas; Most boxers will be as effective as James Toney was when he was taken to the ground. Sugar Ray Lenrd: Dude why are you bringing up James Toney? He was a shot fighter 10 yrs from that moment you are bringing up. This is where you lose your credibility....James Toney...instincts were shot/punchdrunk/incoherent/can't even pronounce one word properly...un-forken-belivable...

Amazingly enough no MMA fighter would last two minutes with even a semi decent rifle marksman. There's no MMA fighter out there who could even take ten points off me in a game of badminton. Maybe a few more books and a little less steroid use Robbie. Idiot. hahaha, now that is perspective.

Some are. Nick Diaz has sparred with Andre Ward for years at this point & Ward has spoken highly of his talent for boxing. SUGAR RAY LENRD: Ohh Please... And??? Eff Pandas; And I think there is some debate to be had by bigger MMA nerds then myself that you don't want a "boxers stance" or to be THAT married to boxing in the cage cuz of the multi attack points your opponent can bring. SUGAR RAY LENRD: I agree w/ you here cause you don't command the "Art of Boxing". Eff Pandas; But its just some basic logic **** that if you are the better at your fists than me, but I can kick you in the head, knee you in the face up close & take you down & choke you out you need more options than your fists or just need to be hoping you got quite a punch or I got a glass chin. SUGAR RAY LENRD: And listen up good again...I agree with what you just mention. Who said that i'm going to just stick to my fist??? It's simple...A good three punch combo will get you punch drunk enough (stun), that then I can do what I want to do with you, I can kick you in the head, knee you in the face up close & take you down & choke you out....What? you think we can't do that to? It's laughable that you think we only gonna use our fist..... Eff Pandas; This ain't THAT complicated. A guy with more weapons at a baseline respectable level is gonna beat a guy with one weapon at a high level more often. SUGAR RAY LENRD: Again get away from that notion that we only fight w/ our fist...first we'll catch with a good shot stun you & then.... Eff Pandas; Sure some boxers will have a big enough punch or just be tough mfers to overcome multiple weapons coming their way, but more often than not all things being equal physically boxers will lose. SUGAR RAY LENRD: See, your thinking is primitive, you don't need to count on power...Boxers are also more punch tolerant to the head... Think Boxing!!!

I imagine a lot of people who get into any combat sport are fighting on the streets early on so I don't see that making much difference. To me this simply comes down to math. Boxers are trained in fists. MMA guys are trained in fists, knees, elbows, chokes, grappling, feet, legs & so on. There are just more ways for a MMA guy to take out a boxer & once a fight isn't standing up anymore most boxers are gonna be dead in the water. True...But listen up & listen good, MMA guys may be trained in fist but they don't master it by far! Please stop saying that they box, it's just not accurate...

Now this is getting to be really pathetic. I am not a Floyd Mayweather Jr fanboy nor am I a hater but I will say this, Floyd Mayweather is a FAR superior athlete to any UFC or MMA fighter. Had Floyd dedicated his craft to MMA at a young age to a different Martial art instead of boxing, I have no doubt in my mind Floyd would be known as one of the greatest mixed martial artists ever but he didnt so these jealous MMA fighters need to keep his name out of their mouth. I have no doubt Floyd out trains any UFC fighter physically & mentally for that matter. I think Holly Holm proved that an elite boxer can train can leave the sport and be successful in MMA if the time was dedicated to it and I see it going no different if Floyd were to do so but hes to old and rich for that so I see no sense. People hate on Floyd but the man is a workout machine which is one of the main reasons why I went from being a Floyd hater to really respecting him as an athlete in the sport I love. The thing is, these are two different sports. I don't think anybody can deny that an elite boxer can become successful in the MMA but at the same time, they still would need to learn more styles first in order for that happen and Floyd will no doubt be fighting against other opponents who are better than him in those styles. It's like whole different world (well, it basically is). Also, there's many people who have been training since childhood besides just Floyd. Anthony Pettis has been training at taekwondo since he was 5 and is a 3rd degree black belt but he has very limited ground game or defense against it, which is why people still Clay Guida him. But again, these are two different combat sports here. They can train one sport, doesn't tell us how well they'll do in another one. I also don't see how you can still respect Floyd with the whole IV situation going on.

Lol Everyone is always talking about street fighting. How about we just like to the Republican Party and true Americans like the NRA. And just grab our guns, forget MMA Vs Boxing skills.

Fwiw I'm not saying every boxer is losing to every MMA guy in a street fight. I'm just saying that in a street fight MMA is a superior range of skills to possess & the MMA guys are gonna win the war even if they happen to lose some battles. Too many street fights include more than just striking/boxing & once a fight is on the ground a boxers chances go down drastically of winning. SUGAR RAY LENRD: Errr...Do you really think that Boxers were not street fighters first? 90% of all boxers come from the streets & well naturally have the skills. From my experience in the gym only 10 % of UFC fighters are street fighters. Here is a comment of a UFC fighter; I don't like boxing ...it's too GHETTO.... *My point about Toney in his prime, he would've knock the crap off that dude....nuff said...

Yet we recently saw an ex boxing champion embarrass their biggest star!

Believe that if you will, I trained in the same gym with him for 1.5 years and watched him get injections in his ass cheak on a nearly daily basis (as were 90% of people in the gym). Everyone in mma especially ufc are on something it's only the real dumb ones who get caught, every one in the industry knows this. Riiight... And what gym was that can I ask?

whenever he gets to the worst chin of any major player in MMA history at HW. you don't remember how crap his chin was, do you :D? he'd literally start to roll around on the ground like he was on fire, when he got hit. fighting was foreign completely foreign to him. it was almost like he felt the need to spin around himself when the room started to spin :lol1: the guy had hardly and fights, and could be easily rattled. you can discount that couture had been in the UFC since the 90's, and that he had been an athlete at a top level since he was a kid in a brutal sport lesnar is 15 years younger than he is, IIRC. Lesnar was basically a shell of himself in his last three fights fights; he almost died after being diagnosed with diverticulitis and twice had surgery, which eventually ended up with them having to remove a foot of the colon from his body. And we weren't comparing Lesnar (who had more serious injuries from his few years in WWE than Couture ever had in MMA) to Couture; we were comparing a literal punch drunk to Couture. I love how people, MMA fans like to put Lesnar on a pedestal. The man was a freak show, the equivalent to Butterbean or best to compare Primo Carnera because he was exactly that... A freak show who should have never won a Title but did so because of physical attributes compared to his opposition. People forget how much the man Disliked being hit and how his reaction was to it... Hysterical at times. Put a 25 year old Couture in with a 25 year old Lesnar.... The fight goes 50/50, possibly 70-30 in Coutures favor because of Lesnar lack of a chin and I'll say it, Coutures superior wrestling technique LOL @ comparing him to Butterbean or Carnera. How many 280 pound men on the planet are as agile, athletic or explosive as Lesnar was? He was a complete freak of an athlete; there's a reason why he was being courted by NFL teams even though he had little to zero experience playing that sport. Couture was never a better wrestler than Lesnar, either. One guy was an NCAA champion and the other was an All American (this was when the guy was in his late 20's, by the way.) Then you had in the massive difference in size and strength and the result becomes even more of a formality.

My question is, why don't you see these guys try to say they could be a boxer at their own sport? Why always try to push for boxers to come to UFC. Is it because most UFC fighters lack great standup. Ironic though because Robbie is a 170lber, why isn't he bring up Kovalev? How are people on this website failing to comprehend that Lawler didn't "call out" Mayweather! A journalist asked him about the situation and he answered honestly, he's not looking for a fight with Mayweather or any boxer

In other news...I hope dillashaw gets his fake a$$ beat tomorrow by my boy Cruz. 3rd and K all day baby!

If you notice, it's always boxers being called out by mma fighters to do mma. One time I'd like to see these **** talkers rave about getting in a boxing ring. Talk about beating someone at their game, not your own.

agree. once you get past his physical attributes he's got a bad chin and he's mentally soft. he was never a fighter. he was an athlete and a wrestler who was moved carefully to build the sport when it was lacking some top end HW talent. Exactly!!!!! Couture was a truly better athlete but Lesnar was just more physically imposing. A younger Couture would have out classed Lesnar in his own game. Now not saying Lesnar was a strong individual but the man didn't like to fight, what so ever! He gets hit clean, he will do a cartwheel across the octagon before putting his hands up waiting for a ref to call the fight, at times was lucky enough to have someone foolish enough to give him time to recover and attempt ground work. Ironic because lesser wrestlers were able to sprawl or get up quite efficiently against a man who was supposed to be this unstoppable wrestler. A record of 5-3, even in MMA is horrible.

I love how people, MMA fans like to put Lesnar on a pedestal. The man was a freak show, the equivalent to Butterbean or best to compare Primo Carnera because he was exactly that... A freak show who should have never won a Title but did so because of physical attributes compared to his opposition. People forget how much the man Disliked being hit and how his reaction was to it... Hysterical at times. Put a 25 year old Couture in with a 25 year old Lesnar.... The fight goes 50/50, possibly 70-30 in Coutures favor because of Lesnar lack of a chin and I'll say it, Coutures superior wrestling technique agree. once you get past his physical attributes he's got a bad chin and he's mentally soft. he was never a fighter. he was an athlete and a wrestler who was moved carefully to build the sport when it was lacking some top end HW talent.

whenever he gets to the worst chin of any major player in MMA history at HW. you don't remember how crap his chin was, do you :D? he'd literally start to roll around on the ground like he was on fire, when he got hit. fighting was foreign completely foreign to him. it was almost like he felt the need to spin around himself when the room started to spin :lol1: the guy had hardly and fights, and could be easily rattled. you can discount that couture had been in the UFC since the 90's, and that he had been an athlete at a top level since he was a kid in a brutal sport lesnar is 15 years younger than he is, IIRC. I love how people, MMA fans like to put Lesnar on a pedestal. The man was a freak show, the equivalent to Butterbean or best to compare Primo Carnera because he was exactly that... A freak show who should have never won a Title but did so because of physical attributes compared to his opposition. People forget how much the man Disliked being hit and how his reaction was to it... Hysterical at times. Put a 25 year old Couture in with a 25 year old Lesnar.... The fight goes 50/50, possibly 70-30 in Coutures favor because of Lesnar lack of a chin and I'll say it, Coutures superior wrestling technique

Again why do MMA fans bring up, "no boxer could beat an MMA fighter in an MMA match"... Well you would have to be a complete moron to think otherwise but why is it we always see these UFC fighters calling out Boxers to come the UFC, why not challenge yourself? Currently, I would say if any current UFC champ went into the boxing ring and fought a 12 round fight with a current boxing champ; it would not end well for the UFC fighter. Imagine.... Werdum/Velasquez vs Fury/Wilder Jones/Cormier vs Glowacki/Lebedev Rockhold/Weidman vs Stevenson/Kovalev Lawler/Hendricks vs Abraham/Degale Dos Anjos/Pettis vs Golovkin/Alvarez Mcgregor/Aldo vs Thurman/Bradley Dillashaw/Barao vs Crawford/Broner Johnson/Benavides vs Lomachenko/Russell Jr

Robbie Lawler of all ppl does not want any extra attention. You can bank on that. I'm pretty sure he was asked about Floyd and just answered the question.