Alex Ariza sounds off on Freddie Roach defamation lawsuit [Interview]

At the end of the day, Ariza should just be thankful he doesnt work at 24hr fitness anymore and he is in the position he is in. Defamation lawsuits from people that are well off financially have always reminded me of a greedy person just plain out being a pu$$y.

Remember when Ariza was with Pacquiao and fight hype thought he was shady and a cheat, now that he has been in camp with Floyd he and Ben are boys now, haha.

OK I finally read it all. They're treating Manny like dirt is all it really is. They either think he's extremely stupid or they are just being real sneaky like Ariza said. Arum is hiring all these lawyers to represent Pac behind his back. Pac had no idea! I also found the part about the Rios incident very interesting. Surely Ariza knows that by blaming Arum for Rios testing positive in some sort of elaborate scheme could land a lawsuit against HIM too? I made another thread entirely on that subject though.

A lot of this is probably true. The only part i have doubts is about Manny saying he would still show up at the disposition to speak for the lawsuit against roach. Hes always been loyal to roach and it would be really awkward being that he still is working with him for his next fight. maybe he didnt know anything about it or maybe that was just BS. He seems like he dont want to get involved in this stuff

WTF??! you're the TS :lol1: That's exactly what I thought. Unfortunately, I don't care enough about the story to read something that lengthy.

WTF??! you're the TS :lol1: I know lmao, I ain't even read it yet. But actually, I'm working on it right now. Interesting tidbit about him accusing Arum of Rios testing positive in China.

Any cliff notes? I'm on my phone and my eyes hurt reading that wall of text lol. WTF??! you're the TS :lol1:

poor pac man lol arum ruined this guy but hes still an atg in my book, u cant let people jerk u around like this man

Any cliff notes? I'm on my phone and my eyes hurt reading that wall of text lol. Allegedly, Pacquiao does not know he has a team of lawyers representing him in America. Ariza said that he spoke to Pacquiao who had no idea that he refused to attend a deposition. Ariza implied that this makes Pacquiao look bad and wonders if that is Bob Arum's intention. He said that if someone does something Arum dislikes, he will try to ruin their life and used Mickey Garcia as an example (Former fighter of the year put on the shelf when he wanted to leave Top Rank).

Any cliff notes? I'm on my phone and my eyes hurt reading that wall of text lol.

I'm not saying he's lying, but in the scumbag filled world of boxing, Ariza seems slimier than just about anyone. He had a falling out with Roach, and then had a falling out with Robert Garcia too. I am looking forward as to what happens when he falls out with the always well behaved Mayweather boxing gym.

Manny doesn't seem the brightest. But you'd be a fool to think what Floyd did in leaving Arum wasn't the best decision he made in his life.

Big Bob bending lil PAC over. Parting PAC's axx cheeks and charging him for it! So many fighters getting shafted by Big Bob! No reach around Bob!

By the sound of it Bob Arum is an evil, vindictive SOB. If I were Ariza I'd watch my back.

Ariza is speaking the truth here bout Arum and Roach, Manny really had no clue, which is true, Arum pretty much uses him like a lap dog and a slave, he loves that Pac is a naive happy go lucy aloof obedient fighter. If you dont believe Pac is naive, watch his early fights, Murad Muhammad his black promoter at the time used to whisper in Mannys ear and tell him to call out Barrera, and Morales and Hamed or whoever. Pac basically reminds me of the old school fighters who were naive like Henry Armstrong and Joe Louis loyal and obedient fighters who did what their mangers and promoters told them having blind faith in them and being clueless to any type of legal matter and wound up broke and screwed over. Ariza is also correct on Roach, Roach will turn on you quickly, he only kisses up to Manny now because of the money coming in, but if Manny were broke he would ignore him like he did Marlon Starling who has to work cabs now. Roach is one of the coldest mofos around, he broke up a good thing when it was Him, Ariza and Moorer, first to go was Moorer because Manny was listening to him more than Roach, next Ariza because Manny was getting too close to him and Roach got jealous, and the press was praising Ariza for Mannys rise in weight. Roach and Arum have both screwed over Manny. They wouldn't let Manny testify because he would say that Ariza was a good guy and stuff, it would make Roach look bad so Arum and Roachs lawyers knew having Manny at the court would be bad so they just hired some lawyers to represent Manny and say that Manny didnt want to show up. If Manny left Roach, Roach would talk so much **** about him so would Arum. It's actually kind of sad that manny didn't know that arum hired lawyers to represent him. And them arum is going to charge him for it

Ariza is speaking the truth here bout Arum and Roach, Manny really had no clue, which is true, Arum pretty much uses him like a lap dog and a slave, he loves that Pac is a naive happy go lucy aloof obedient fighter. If you dont believe Pac is naive, watch his early fights, Murad Muhammad his black promoter at the time used to whisper in Mannys ear and tell him to call out Barrera, and Morales and Hamed or whoever. Pac basically reminds me of the old school fighters who were naive like Henry Armstrong and Joe Louis loyal and obedient fighters who did what their mangers and promoters told them having blind faith in them and being clueless to any type of legal matter and wound up broke and screwed over. Ariza is also correct on Roach, Roach will turn on you quickly, he only kisses up to Manny now because of the money coming in, but if Manny were broke he would ignore him like he did Marlon Starling who has to work cabs now. Roach is one of the coldest mofos around, he broke up a good thing when it was Him, Ariza and Moorer, first to go was Moorer because Manny was listening to him more than Roach, next Ariza because Manny was getting too close to him and Roach got jealous, and the press was praising Ariza for Mannys rise in weight. Roach and Arum have both screwed over Manny. They wouldn't let Manny testify because he would say that Ariza was a good guy and stuff, it would make Roach look bad so Arum and Roachs lawyers knew having Manny at the court would be bad so they just hired some lawyers to represent Manny and say that Manny didnt want to show up. If Manny left Roach, Roach would talk so much **** about him so would Arum. Look how Arum used to kiss Floyds ass when he promoted him, same with Oscar, Arum used to kiss Oscars ass and praise him, but when Oscar left he would call Oscar a dumb guy, an idiot, and all these insults, if Pac left Arum, Arum would call Pacquiao a moron and a stupid idiot with a third grade education, etc. He called Nonito an idiot and called his wife a Harlot when they were settling some financial issues with Top Rank, Nonito wanted to go to Golden boy.

Only read about half but my main take-away was that Ariza speaks like an absolute moron. His inability to articulate a thought makes this unreadable. Someone please interview his lawyers instead.

BT: Freddie's comments focus on the time you were working with him and Pacquiao. Is the plan to have several fighters from the gym during that timeframe testify? AA: There's a long list that's becoming even longer now. I think everybody, especially in the sport, knows that Freddie has a very big mouth and Bob has a big mouth too. These guys are dinosaurs in an age of technology with social media. They forget that they say one thing not realizing that it's recorded and pretty much reprinted in everything. Doing all the research that we're having to do into the videos, the comments, and the statements that Freddie and Bob have made over the years, it's becoming a bigger and bigger thing. I was reading something that you wrote about us trying to settle this thing. There was really nothing to settle. I mean, we went in there and it was kind of funny; they tried to pull that Rainmaker thing. One judge is supposed to be mitigating this thing and he says, "Oh, there's really not a case here. You can't put too much confidence in jurors." Basically, he was calling them dumb by saying they won't be able to figure out the difference between somebody trying to slander someone and having an agenda to hurt them and demean them versus someone just having an opinion. I said, "Fine, no problem. Have a nice day!" Next thing you know, they kept me there for 5 hours. I'm like, "Wait a minute! Why are you keeping me here? I thought we didn't have a case." What people sometimes fail to believe is that this isn't about money. This is about the work that myself, Teri Tom, Christa Pryor and other people that helped did. More importantly, Teri Tom and I, who started with Manny in the very beginning six years ago, the work that we did moving him up from division to division, from weight class to weight class the way that we did, now it's going to be called into question because of Freddie, for whatever reason, now wanting to send out these allegations regarding what Manny may or may not have been doing. Did you know that it wasn't even Manny Pacquiao's idea to sue Floyd Mayweather? BT: Are you serious? Why does that not surprise me? AA: I'm dead serious. It wasn't his idea. He didn't even know that he was suing Floyd. BT: I take it was all Bob's idea then? AA: Well, whatever lawyers that are representing him now I'm sure we're doing that lawsuit. BT: I think you're right. If memory serves me correctly, I think it was Daniel Petrocelli, who also represents Top Rank. AA: Okay, well, Manny had no idea. Manny's intentions were never to sue Floyd. Manny has said a lot of things regarding the way that Bob has handled this situation from the time that we were supposed to fight Floyd after the Cotto fight until now. It's one of those things, dude. Freddie opened up a can and now the beans are going to come out. All because of his own ego, his own arrogance, and his hatred for me, he can't keep his mouth shut. He can't help himself. That's exactly what Manny said. He said, "He hates you; doesn't like you. It's all personal." As this thing goes on, more and more things will start to come out. Manny knows myself, Manny knows Teri Tom, Manny knew Aundrea, Manny knew a lot of the people that worked with him in the very beginning who formulated and put this plan together; he knows that we all had integrity, we all did our very best, and we worked within the rules. We never talked about those things the way that Freddie talked about them. Again, all these things will come out in trial; the way he was always inquiring about these things and his speculations and what he said about this fighter and that fighter. I'm looking forward to it so people can really see what this guy is all about and see the truth. But more importantly, all of us who put in the real work and did it with passion and integrity, we didn't deserve that. We went our separate ways and I never said anything about him, but he just couldn't stop; always blaming me or Memo Heredia or saying Marquez is juicing or that guy is juicing. It was just always something. He's just a bully. He really is. The way he treats people inside of the sport or outside of the sport, he's just like Bob; he's just another bully that's constantly demeaning or talking derogatory about either trainers or fighters for no reason. He's just a bitter, old man. BT: I have to admit, when I originally watched that video of Freddie making those comments, it seemed like he was just being bitter over a personal beef. I mean, I don't think he meant to throw Manny under the bus when he said it, but that's exactly what happened, and now, all the work that you did over the years is under the microscope. Do you think there's any other reason why he said what he said? AA: I can't figure out why. I mean, we can come up with all kinds of scenarios and assumptions. Maybe there is something to all of this and maybe he's trying to get it out before it comes out. Most people don't know that I've been working with fighters since 1996. Diego Corrales, Erik Morales; I worked with Castillo, I worked with Manfredy, and I worked with a lot of world-class fighters and we've never ever had anything even remotely regarding performance-enhancing drugs. but if you look and the Wild Card gym, even before I got there, there were allegations and failed drug tests way before I got there. Freddie's been tied to this kind of stuff way before I even got there. Maybe he had some kind of elaborate system and I just didn't know. Trust me, in court, this will all come out. BT: To be fair though, when you left Freddie and were working with Brandon Rios, he got popped for something after you guys fought Manny in China, so a lot of people will look at that and say, "Maybe Freddie's got a point." Actually, I think Freddie was being asked a question about that when he made those comments. AA: The fact of the matter is that I didn't get caught by VADA. What they did was probably the most incompetent thing that I've ever seen done. In my personal opinion, it was absolutely a setup to burn Robert Garcia, to burn myself, and to burn Brandon Rios. To me, this was done by Bob Arum. They tested us 13 times throughout that camp. They tested Manny once in Macau, China and we were told that by VADA technicians themselves. Not to mention, they had Brandon Rios piss in a glass, and by the way, I would never go to Macau, China and stay at the Venetian ever again and drink out of one of their glasses. That aside, they had Brandon Rios piss in a drinking glass and then had two kids, 16 or 17-year-old kids, cart it across the casino to the laboratory so it could be transferred into a cup. I mean, seriously, you can't make **** like that up. You can't make that up. And then the A or B sample, I think it was the A sample, was negative and then they tested the B sample and it had a trace amount of some stimulant that they put in energy drinks. Bob tells Brandon that he tested positive for steroids. Knowing what it really was and the trace amount that it was, do you think that they appealed it? Absolutely not because Bob was looking to fry our whole academy. Robert was winning so much, Robert was getting bigger and bigger in the sport, and Robert and Mikey were obviously against the business tactics that Bob was trying to do, so I believe that was Bob's way to try to fry Robert and put him in his place. What kind of promotional company doesn't defend their fighter? You can't put anything past this guy when it comes to what he's capable of doing out of spite. I mean, we see what he did to Chavez Jr. The bottom line is that Freddie Roach and Wild Card is synonymous with losing now. It really is. When I was there, we went like 24 consecutive wins in a row. He had 12 losses in the first year I was out of there. Now he's trying to point the finger at something else, making insinuations and trying to paint us in a bad light because he was too incompetent to do by himself what my team was able to do. Now fighters will speak up for themselves, fighters that aren't going to be in fear of Bob Arum or Freddie, and we'll find out exactly what this guy's character is really about. It's so funny; it's like everything is literally coming to fruition. I had somebody a long time ago tell me to write down and document everything I possibly can when it comes to Freddie and Bob. He said, "Trust me, bro, Freddie will eventually turn on you. That's what he does. He's always done it and he has a history of doing it." He wasn't lying. With Bob, we've been documenting stuff on everything I've seen from way back to Morales. With Julio, I got to see the accounting and the way that they did it and the way they charged him. I mean, there's so many things I've been waiting to spill on this thing and finally, eventually this is going to come out. Let me tell you, dude, there is so much stuff that is going to come out in this trial. For me, it's not even about money. It's about finally having a forum where the things that have been happening for so many years, the injustice and blatant political bull****, now gets to come to light. It'll all get out there, bro.