He was interim champion, got elevated to regular champion and given the super champion title and never won it in the ring
Hagler and Monzon were the lineal champions and undisputed their reigns and Hagler had 12 defenses and Monzon had 14....their were alphabet titles back then too and people act like their wasn't
Monzon beat hall of famer Nino Benvenuti who was lineal/wbc and wba title in 1970...IN THE RING....was stripped of the wbc in '74 and won it back by beating title holder Valdez and ended his career with a rematch.....he had 14 total defenses
Hagler beat Allan Minter for the linea/ Ring/ wbc and WBA titles...IN THE RING....won the vacant ibf in 83 and lost the lineal title to Leonard after 12 defenses
I hate when people make up records to try and pump up a fighters resume.....Just like Hopkins, he has 20 IBF defenses at 160 but only 6 lineal/undisputed title defenses, therefore he holds no record....ITS A DISSERVICE TO THESE TWO ALL TIME GREATS TO MAKE FAKE RECORDS OF HOPKINS AND GGG
So, exactly WHO has Bumlovkin beaten?
GGG is the unified champ while Canelo has a Magazine title and an imaginary title.
But answer these two questions:
1. Do you believe Canelo is ready to face GGG in his next fight?
2. Do you believe GGG is ready to face Canelo in his next fight?
Knowing you you're going to ask me who GGG had beaten because you have no answer.
who did GGG beat for the title? Kassim Ouma? Gabe Rosado?
lol.....these GGG hard ons cant accept the truth...they have firmly replaced the pacfanatics
It is all the same posters tbh...where is that homer pic with a MP shirt then he comes out with the GGG shirt?
Dude, stick to posting on boxing history. I enjoy those posts and appreciate them.
Whenever you post anything regarding GGG (which is quite often it seems), it's just another carbon copy of a brainless Dirk-clone.
Sorry dude. Hate to rain of your parade but every credible ranking system had Cotto as the champ at middleweight. Only Bumlovkinite nutsack holders thought otherwise...
who did GGG beat for the title? Kassim Ouma? Gabe Rosado?
lol.....these GGG hard ons cant accept the truth...they have firmly replaced the pacfanatics
Exactly WHO has Bumlovkin beaten?
Are you the fight Doctor that calls in to TBV? You should lose some of that GGG hate before you have a heart attack. Can't be healthy to dislike a man just because he's the best MW in the world.
I don't even know why i placate to you, you're like the worst troll on this board. GGG King of the MW on any planet in the universe. From Earth to Mars To Canelo-Land to whatever other silly name you can come up with.
Have some respect for the sport.
the problem is people like you have no respect for the sport.....all opinion no facts and fan boys with agendas of pumping up fighters with slack resumes
only on planet GGG(Grown-men Gone Gay)
I don't even know why i placate to you, you're like the worst troll on this board. GGG King of the MW on any planet in the universe. From Earth to Mars To Canelo-Land to whatever other silly name you can come up with.
Have some respect for the sport.
GGG being the best isn't an opinion. He's the best MW no one considers Canelo the best except a few trolls and Mexicans. GGG has damn cleaned the division out while Canelo is still trying drag opponents down to his imaginary division.
only on planet GGG(Grown-men Gone Gay)
how can he be the best middleweight when he hasn't faced the top middleweights
their is no best until they fight each other......the champion is Canelo and the top contenders are GGG, Jacobs and Lee/Saunders winner.(contenders with trinkets, GGG as well)
that's the problem with newbie as boxing fans....they dont want the fighters to earn anything, just have it given to them
nothing is given in boxing, you have to earn it.....He isn't the best middleweight until he fights the best middleweights and he hasnt
EXACTLY. Generation Xbox was ready to elevate GGG beyond the greats for beating an ex 140lb 35 year old named Miguel....
"Yeah but, Cotto is the lineal MW champ doe"
he is no where near any record
PEOPLE don't even know when to start counting his WBA defenses. The problem is he was elevated and never won it in the ring
Also dude is pushing 34-35 and finally beat a titleholder for the IBF....he isn't lineal champion so his defenses mean nothing until he is lineal whats the point of counting him knocking out no hopers and unranked guys
He stands at 0 defenses of the ibf/wba unified.
Canelo is the champion...that's a fact....GGG being the best is an opinion and opinions don't make the record books
GGG being the best isn't an opinion. He's the best MW no one considers Canelo the best except a few trolls and Mexicans. GGG has damn cleaned the division out while Canelo is still trying drag opponents down to his imaginary division.
the champion is the guy who beat the champion....Canelo, who beat Cotto, who beat Martinez, who beat Pavlik, who beat Taylor, who beat Hopkins'
its not that complicated... you're such a fan boy you want to ignore the truth and middleweight is one of the few weight classes that has a universal champion....deal with it
you don't get credit for fights not happening. Regardless of who ducked who or why the fights didn't happen, they still didn't happen and you get no credit for that
Only in your world is Cotto being MW champ is the truth. Both Cotto and Canelo are on PUBLIC record saying they're not MWs. Only in your simplistic world can they still be true MW champions.
Lineal doesn't mean sh1t. You want to hang onto that outdated principle? You want to hang onto Floyd being best at 154, Adonis being best at 175?
Go for it. I prefer to use my brain.
Btw - what happens after the highlighted section? Who did Hopkins beat, since you're such a big fan of man-who-beat-the-man?
You can't blame Golovkin for Sturm ducking him for years. Sure, he didn't win it in the ring. That's been true for a LOT of people. People move up to divisions, people retire. Lineage gets broken all the time.
Fact is NONE of the current lineal champs are truly lineal. Every single lineage has been broken at least once, usually 10+ times.
He's 33
And lineal doesn't mean sh1t either anymore. Adonis Stevenson is the lineal LHW champ for beating the ghost of Chad Dawson. It's a joke. There's absolutely NO way to truly say "this guy is the true champ because he has xyz" Use your brain.
You need to get your facts straight - look up rankings of his opponents before the fights. The vast majority of them were ranked in top10 by the ring magazine. That's a FACT.
It doesn't matter that YOU think they're 'bums'. Fact is they were highly ranked.
Just to confirm, you think the true MW champ is the guy who has never fought at the MW limit and has never faced anyone weighing ~160?
You think the true MW champ is the guy who won the title from his opponent, who weighed in at 153? You think that the winner of Floyd/Pac should hold the 154 title? It's a joke man.
I know you're trying to say lineage is only thing is matters, but it's just not true. Neither does WBA belt, or WBC belt or IBF belt. "Use your brain" is the only way to tell who's the true champ right now.
the champion is the guy who beat the champion....Canelo, who beat Cotto, who beat Martinez, who beat Pavlik, who beat Taylor, who beat Hopkins'
its not that complicated... you're such a fan boy you want to ignore the truth and middleweight is one of the few weight classes that has a universal champion....deal with it
you don't get credit for fights not happening. Regardless of who ducked who or why the fights didn't happen, they still didn't happen and you get no credit for that
It's ok, it doesn't matter anyway. He's still the best 160 punder out there, since at least three years ago.
Correction, since last year, as Cotto refused to fight him and it was obvious Martinez was in no fit condition to carry on.
he is no where near any record
PEOPLE don't even know when to start counting his WBA defenses. The problem is he was elevated and never won it in the ring
You can't blame Golovkin for Sturm ducking him for years. Sure, he didn't win it in the ring. That's been true for a LOT of people. People move up to divisions, people retire. Lineage gets broken all the time.
Fact is NONE of the current lineal champs are truly lineal. Every single lineage has been broken at least once, usually 10+ times.
Also dude is pushing 34-35 and finally beat a titleholder for the IBF....he isn't lineal champion so his defenses mean nothing until he is lineal whats the point of counting him knocking out no hopers and unranked guys
He's 33
And lineal doesn't mean sh1t either anymore. Adonis Stevenson is the lineal LHW champ for beating the ghost of Chad Dawson. It's a joke. There's absolutely NO way to truly say "this guy is the true champ because he has xyz" Use your brain.
You need to get your facts straight - look up rankings of his opponents before the fights. The vast majority of them were ranked in top10 by the ring magazine. That's a FACT.
It doesn't matter that YOU think they're 'bums'. Fact is they were highly ranked.
Canelo is the champion...that's a fact....GGG being the best is an opinion and opinions don't make the record books
Just to confirm, you think the true MW champ is the guy who has never fought at the MW limit and has never faced anyone weighing ~160?
You think the true MW champ is the guy who won the title from his opponent, who weighed in at 153?
You think that the winner of Floyd/Pac should hold the 154 title? It's a joke man.
I know you're trying to say lineage is only thing is matters, but it's just not true. Neither does WBA belt, or WBC belt or IBF belt. "Use your brain" is the only way to tell who's the true champ right now.
Seeing as you're a very agenda driven individual I'm not sure what to think. Fact is you haven't made a thread crossing Hopkins oldest world champion claim and no one said **** about Hopkins 20 title defense. All I know is GGG is poised to beat that record.
he is no where near any record
PEOPLE don't even know when to start counting his WBA defenses. The problem is he was elevated and never won it in the ring
Also dude is pushing 34-35 and finally beat a titleholder for the IBF....he isn't lineal champion so his defenses mean nothing until he is lineal whats the point of counting him knocking out no hopers and unranked guys
He stands at 0 defenses of the ibf/wba unified.
Canelo is the champion...that's a fact....GGG being the best is an opinion and opinions don't make the record books
Golovkin's title defenses
WBA 15 defenses
10 as Regular title holder
5 as Super title holder
IBO 12 defenses
IBF 0 defenses
Canelo Alvarez is Lineal/Ring/WBC Champion at middleweight
He's the man that beat the man that beat the man and so on and so forth
I can't understand how some people hate ggg.
It's become so overblown and irrational that it comes down to country and race.
Does GGG have a lot to prove? Absolutely. Is he entertaining and good for the sport? Absolutely. Things are starting to line up for him now and everything is looking good for a Canelo megafight September next year.