First of all, I respect and admire the father and son team of Shawn and Kenny....I also LOVE the job that Uncle Al is doing....I'm a fan of the PBC and I hope it continues to grow and stick around until the end of time....WAR UNCLE AL :boxing:
I wanted to make those things CLEAR before I say what I'm about to say...completely unbiased and neutral....I'm just gonna call it like I see it...a spade is ALWAYS a spade in my eyes....IMO it seems like Uncle Al has his favs....I know for sure that AB, Swift, and Floyd are three of his most fav nephews....I think we all can agree on that...what's understood doesn't need to be explained so onto IMO one of his least favs, SHAWN PORTER....the sad part about this is, if anyone ever met the dude then you know I'm 100% accurate when I say Shawn is one of the coolest, nicest boxers in the sport...he might even be the the P4P King in that category...dude is SUPER cool!!!
Now this is what I'm sensing fellas....IMO Kenny is NOT happy with the way his son is being treated by Unc.....I started to pick up on the negative vibe during the Broner-Porter situation....the catchweight was 144 plus one with a rehydration clause of 154 plus one....this is a piece of the interview with Kenny fraom a article on here...I'll post the link as well
"The weight limit is 144-pounds plus a pound, give or take," said Kenny Porter, Shawn's father and trainer who is well aware of the tactics taking place.
"They're trying to bring us down to try to hurt us and they asked for a second-day weigh-in," continued the elder Porter. "The day of the fight we have to weigh-in, again."
Reportedly, neither fighter can weigh-in heavier than 155 pounds on the morning of this bout.
http://www.boxingscene.com/porter-discusses-catch-weight-terms-broner-clash--90969
The key words for me was "THEY'RE and THEY"....who is THEY?!?....Exactly!!.."THEY" is led by Unc....he's the boss so nothing fly without his stamp of approval....another point I think we ALL can agree on!!..."THEY" is led by Unc, who also leads Porter, so why would Unc give one nephew so much at the nego table and treat the other like some no name fighter from a forest in Africa....NOBODY was feeling the extra weigh in clause as I remember due to AB already getting the catchweight plate at the table
Then came the day of the FINAL press conference....the Porters were saying they've yet to see or sign the contract for the fight yet...smh
https://youtu.be/4g8Gu4gNJNY?t=1m48s
Then I think it was another issue about Shawn's custom made gloves not being ready...not sure, just going off the top on this one...but eventually that got sorted....now back to the weight, Kenny finally gets the contract sometime between the final presser and the weigh in...when he got the paperwork, there was no rehydration clause in it....he said Unc called him and told him beforehand though
Kenny said they finally received the contract for the fight, and there was no rehydration clause in the language - but he knew that was coming ahead of time because Haymon called him.
"Al called me and told me not to worry about that . He said 'don't listen to what nobody says because you heard it from me,"' Kenny told BoxingScene.com.
http://www.boxingscene.com/team-porter-haymon-killed-broner-rehydration-clause--92547
During the build up to the fight, AB avoided and didn't answer any questions about the rehydration clause....that even pissed Shawn off a little bit....I'm guessing that AB needed Unc to kill the rehydration clause because of his credibility being shot at...or Unc did it himself to save one of his fav nephews credibility....or AB knew he HIMSELF wouldn't make weight at the second weigh in...IMO, it went down in one of those three ways
Jump back to the present....AB lost that fight and has already fought again....FOR A WORLD TITLE....after the Broner win, The Porters flew to NY to stalk my man Swift :lol1: when he put the beats on Paulie, trying to get a fight....now Swift is scheduled to fight AGAIN...ironically, on the date and the venue Porter-Thurman was rumored to be...remeber, Porter-Thurman been talked about for a while, they even did a faceoff in September out in Vegas at the Expo....now, Shawn is waiting on Thurman without a plan B....in this vid Kenny is saying that the cans Kell Brook been smashing are Uncle Al fighters and he's a little upset about not getting the Kell rematch...you can hear that he's not happy with the way Unc is treating his son
Shawn is almost begging through the media for someone to talk to them about fighting again..."SOMEBODY" would of course be Uncle Al in this case
https://youtu.be/TPULoVa9lN4?t=23s
Kenny goes in on the WBC 147 pound Tournament...he's discrediting it due to his son not being mentioned in the Tournament...IMO he has the right to feel some type of way....can't really blame him for feeling that way either
At the end of the day, I hope I'm wrong and I'm OVER ANALYZING this sh*t....it may or may not be trouble in paradise lol...but I got strong feeling everything is NOT right with The Porters and Unc....links and vids in the post...judge for yourselves!!
That's what it was about. They only wanted to put it into effect if it hurt Porter and helped Broner, which is why they didn't get the contract until last minute and it was removed. If Broner had not made the second weight in, it would have been the Escobedo situation all over again; imagine how it would have looked if Porter pulled out because Broner didnt make weight to honor a second weigh in clause that was there to protect him?
Porter has never been one of Haymons favorites, but honestly I think Al just thinks of him as an opponent type (Alfonso Gomez, Robert Guerrero) after getting completely outclassed by Brook, and is probably pissed that Porter put a serious dent in a guy that is still bring groomed as the next Mayweather (in terms of starpower) when he beat Broner.
Al probably doesnt want him fighting Thurman for the same reason.
That fight was too close and ugly for anybody to be outclassing the other. I picked Brook to win and thought he won but outclassed?? Nah never lol.
The rest of it is true though, I'm wondering why Thurman hasn't said anything about this fight happening either. He has to chance to take on someone young and in their prime like himself, to me he has not proven a great deal as yet.
Just saw this :rofl:
Yesterday I tried to say what up to Shawn and Kenny Porter yesterday and they looked me off LOL What they mad for they beat me LOL— Adrien Broner (@AdrienBroner) December 6, 2015
or AB knew he HIMSELF wouldn't make weight at the second weigh in...IMO, it went down in one of those three ways
That's what it was about. They only wanted to put it into effect if it hurt Porter and helped Broner, which is why they didn't get the contract until last minute and it was removed. If Broner had not made the second weight in, it would have been the Escobedo situation all over again; imagine how it would have looked if Porter pulled out because Broner didnt make weight to honor a second weigh in clause that was there to protect him?
Porter has never been one of Haymons favorites, but honestly I think Al just thinks of him as an opponent type (Alfonso Gomez, Robert Guerrero) after getting completely outclassed by Brook, and is probably pissed that Porter put a serious dent in a guy that is still bring groomed as the next Mayweather (in terms of starpower) when he beat Broner.
Al probably doesnt want him fighting Thurman for the same reason.
and that has always been one of my biggest criticisms of Haymons operation. A "manager" has a fiduciary duty to represent the best interests of the fighter, and that is impossible to do when that same "manager" also represents the opponent, because everything negotiated for fighter A comes at the expense of fighter B. Their interests oppose each other.
A perfect example was the Floyd-Maidana glove issue. Anyone who thinks Maidanas interests got represented by his "manager" are out of their minds.
Yet when I mention this conflict Im always called a hater lol
I wonder if Jacobs had a last minute rematch clause like he did with me. I was ambushed with a contract the day b4 our fight.— Sergio Mora (@TheLatinSnake_) December 6, 2015
just wondering what the final purpose was to OPs time consuming research on this topic
:lol1: about 10 minutes max....no research was needed....I'm a FULL TIME fight fan homie!!...believe that!! :boxing:
I can't believe the Porter Thurman fight isn't sorted out yet, and the fact that the normally talkative Thurman is silent on all front, makes it a bit strange. I think you are right on all front with this thread.
I think it is perfectly understandable that the Porters are frustrated with the direction Shawn's career has been going in the last year or so. Shawn wants big fights against the best opponents available. There is nothing wrong with that.
The problem is two fold:1) first, people don't always get what they want regardless of what profession they are in. Simpy because you ask for something or have been promised something or have been chasing after a fight for a long time and are doing everything right to get it, things are not always going to work out the way you want; and
2) Unlike Porter, not every fighter is interested in fighting the best opponents available. Every fighter claims publically that they will fight anyone, but that is not and has never been the case. In today's era, fighters and their handlers fight as many easy fights as they can get away with to protect their records and t heir belts. In spite of what he says, Golovkin does not want to fight Ward; Amir Khan does not want to fight Kell Brook; Thurman does not want to fight Porter, Errol Spence or anyone else in the welterweight division that could possible make him look bad. So, therefore, I have heard that he is trying to get a match with Chris Algieri. Typical.
Honestly the thing that makes me not like Haymon is his obvious favortism towards specific fighters. He pays well and brings boxing to sports forefront but it seems like he makes fighters unlikable with theyre obvious accomodations.
Dude he just won the fight of his life against Broner and nobody outside of a few boxing enthusiasts gives a fuxk. Wake up.
Evander Holyfield was not boring Wvander Holyfield was a superstar before he beat Tyson. He was a unified cruiserweight champion, they had never seen a ****ing freakbof nature like him. He was sculpted like a ****ing Greek god, and had a boxing video game made for him on Sega.
Porter will never sniff those heights. A.) He's not good enough. B.) He has NOTHING appealing about him. He's one of MANY talented boxers. He does nothing that stands out, inside or outside the ring.
And I like Porter. I follow him on IG. He seems like a great guy.
Heading into the Broner fight, Porter was the guy who just got schooled by Kell Brook; the Broner fight gave him an opportunity to clear that, so to speak (which he lost a bit on, after getting knocked down the moment it seemed like Broner tried to fight).
Porter is back to being about where he was before the Brook fight, sans being undefeated and having the juice of being a world champion (heightening the reward side of any risk/reward decision).
If Porter is able to knock off Keith Thurman, Danny Garcia (I think he ends up winning the WBC title tournament), and beat Kell Brook in a rematch; Shawn Porter is "king of the mountain" in one of boxing's glamour divisions
Thats f#cking retarded. Granted he's not gonna be selling 2 million PPV's, but he can be a draw if he wins the fights. I mean if he just beats Thurman he's increased his status right there. Evander Holyfield was boring as f#ck, but he sold lotsa PPV's back in the day & while never surpassing Tyson in popularity he was still pretty popular. It certainly helps to have a gimmick going for you in boxing, but guys have become popular without Hamed, Fury or Camacho level talk & antics.
^^^^^^this
Porter is a nobody. Just another decent boxer with little to no personality. I hate to break that to you. There's no popular market in Porter. That is not hate, it's reality. There's nothing appealing about him except the fact he's a decent boxer and that's just not enough to be a star.
Sorry, I had to be the one to tell you this. I didn't want to be.
Fair enough, but I disagree. I don't think he boxes well enough to ever be a star (when not blitzing a guy out in two reals, Porter's 'rough and rumble' style is some of the ugliest boxing I've ever seen), but you can't hold his personality against him (Kenny Porter being overbearing, in spots, does hurt though). I've never seen Shawn Porter give what would constitute a bad interview, and the more people see him not giving bad interviews, the more people will pick up on him.
There's always a market for the "clean-cut, good guy"; for Porter, it's simply going to take him unifying the titles to get that opportunity.
Thats f#cking retarded. Granted he's not gonna be selling 2 million PPV's, but he can be a draw if he wins the fights. I mean if he just beats Thurman he's increased his status right there. Evander Holyfield was boring as f#ck, but he sold lotsa PPV's back in the day & while never surpassing Tyson in popularity he was still pretty popular. It certainly helps to have a gimmick going for you in boxing, but guys have become popular without Hamed, Fury or Camacho level talk & antics.
Dude he just won the fight of his life against Broner and nobody outside of a few boxing enthusiasts gives a fuxk. Wake up.
Evander Holyfield was not boring Wvander Holyfield was a superstar before he beat Tyson. He was a unified cruiserweight champion, they had never seen a ****ing freakbof nature like him. He was sculpted like a ****ing Greek god, and had a boxing video game made for him on Sega.
Porter will never sniff those heights. A.) He's not good enough. B.) He has NOTHING appealing about him. He's one of MANY talented boxers. He does nothing that stands out, inside or outside the ring.
And I like Porter. I follow him on IG. He seems like a great guy.
Good thread man. I've been picking up on this for a while as well (thought I was the only one) so you're definitely on to something valid here. It's as if Porter is on the pawn team of his grand scheme.
How is Shawn Porter not marketable? Clean living kid, healthy family relationship, personable, good TV presence, etc; if Haymon was looking to pitch a list of fighters to Coca Cola, Shawn Porter would easily be on that list (Garcia, Thurman, Wilder, Figueroa Jr and others would also be on that list).
Porter's current issue is that he took an L against Kell Brook, soundly defeated in his title defense in primetime on Showtime.
Rather than now being "aging veteran ready to be picked off by a rising fighter", Porter ended up "good and dangerous young fighter, knocked off by a better young fighter". The risk/reward calculus changed for everyone.
Adrien Broner, after getting the **** beat out of him by Marcos Maidana and having three ho-hum fights, needed to fight, and beat, a guy like Shawn Porter if he was to get his heat back.
The next guy who is in a similar spot is Keith Thurman; young, undefeated champion, exciting fighter, but having spent the last two years as a secondary champion. Once formally elevated to full champion, Thurman needs to knock off a solid guy, to establish his claim as full champion. Enter Shawn Porter.
Porter is a nobody. Just another decent boxer with little to no personality. I hate to break that to you. There's no popular market in Porter. That is not hate, it's reality. There's nothing appealing about him except the fact he's a decent boxer and that's just not enough to be a star.
Sorry, I had to be the one to tell you this. I didn't want to be.
Is this relating to the Broner fight? If so, Ill answer your question of "Why?" Because Broner is/was the marketable fighter and Porter wasn't. Because Broner would had brought "Unc" more money (had he won) than Porter.
Simple.
Bronner is going to bring in more money despite losing to Porter. That's just the way it is. Broner has the larger ammoubt of mass appeal. People are attracted to his ignorant, urban, glamorous ways. Young white kids gush over him. Facts.
I disagree. They got a Danny & Angel Garcia vibe going on. They talk to f#cking much. Kenny Porter seems to have less of a filter than he should have for a older cat (although granted not on a Angel or Ruben Guerrero or Floyd Sr level). I think if Porter ran thru Thurman, Spence, maybe Vazquez, Khan, Garcia or some combo of those guys he's gonna be a popular guy. Winning makes you popular. Plus he comes to fight. Whats not to like?
The reality with PBC is a ****LOAD of Haymon fighters have already been beaten, but they are mostly his younger up & coming guys (gotta be close to a dozen Haymon signed fighters have lost their 0 & often to another guy with an 0). I think Haymon is far less into who wins then you think. The cream rises to the top eventually regardless of you trying to keep it down. Haymon seems wise enough to know that. Also Broner can have 7 losses & he's still gonna be more popular than most undefeated guys. Some guys just got that thing that people wanna see.
Porter is a nobody. Just another decent boxer with little to no personality. I hate to break that to you. There's no popular market in Porter. That is not hate, it's reality. There's nothing appealing about him except the fact he's a decent boxer and that's just not enough to be a star.
Sorry.
It's obvious that's what is happening. It seems a little rediculous watching Garcia fight these nobodies like Paulie and now Guerrero, especially given the fact that he's undefeated but won't take on the meaningful fights.
The only reason Porter fought Paulie was because he kind of had to. He would never opt to do something like that, he'd want to fight the biggest name he could land.
Garcia and Thurman essentially could land bigger names than themselves to elevate their stock but aren't doing it. Comfortable with hand picked soft touches. Lamont Peterson wasn't even a dangerous fight ffs, and was essentially the most dangerous foe he's faced in 2 years. Lamont shouldn't of even had his title at 140 for that fight. He also did nothing while retaining it to deserve or suggest he'd be a solid opponent for Danny.
Danny needs to sack up and either fight Thurman, Spence, Khan, or Porter. Guerrero, Paulie, Josesito, Collazo, and Berto should not even be mentioned as opponents for the guys I just mentioned.
First of all, I respect and admire the father and son team of Shawn and Kenny....I also LOVE the job that Uncle Al is doing....I'm a fan of the PBC and I hope it continues to grow and stick around until the end of time....WAR UNCLE AL :boxing:
I wanted to make those things CLEAR before I say what I'm about to say...completely unbiased and neutral....I'm just gonna call it like I see it...a spade is ALWAYS a spade in my eyes....IMO it seems like Uncle Al has his favs....I know for sure that AB, Swift, and Floyd are three of his most fav nephews....I think we all can agree on that...what's understood doesn't need to be explained so onto IMO one of his least favs, SHAWN PORTER....the sad part about this is, if anyone ever met the dude then you know I'm 100% accurate when I say Shawn is one of the coolest, nicest boxers in the sport...he might even be the the P4P King in that category...dude is SUPER cool!!!
Now this is what I'm sensing fellas....IMO Kenny is NOT happy with the way his son is being treated by Unc.....I started to pick up on the negative vibe during the Broner-Porter situation....the catchweight was 144 plus one with a rehydration clause of 154 plus one....this is a piece of the interview with Kenny fraom a article on here...I'll post the link as well
http://www.boxingscene.com/porter-discusses-catch-weight-terms-broner-clash--90969
The key words for me was "THEY'RE and THEY"....who is THEY?!?....Exactly!!.."THEY" is led by Unc....he's the boss so nothing fly without his stamp of approval....another point I think we ALL can agree on!!..."THEY" is led by Unc, who also leads Porter, so why would Unc give one nephew so much at the nego table and treat the other like some no name fighter from a forest in Africa....NOBODY was feeling the extra weigh in clause as I remember due to AB already getting the catchweight plate at the table
Then came the day of the FINAL press conference....the Porters were saying they've yet to see or sign the contract for the fight yet...smh
https://youtu.be/4g8Gu4gNJNY?t=1m48s
Then I think it was another issue about Shawn's custom made gloves not being ready...not sure, just going off the top on this one...but eventually that got sorted....now back to the weight, Kenny finally gets the contract sometime between the final presser and the weigh in...when he got the paperwork, there was no rehydration clause in it....he said Unc called him and told him beforehand though
http://www.boxingscene.com/team-porter-haymon-killed-broner-rehydration-clause--92547
During the build up to the fight, AB avoided and didn't answer any questions about the rehydration clause....that even pissed Shawn off a little bit....I'm guessing that AB needed Unc to kill the rehydration clause because of his credibility being shot at...or Unc did it himself to save one of his fav nephews credibility....or AB knew he HIMSELF wouldn't make weight at the second weigh in...IMO, it went down in one of those three ways
Jump back to the present....AB lost that fight and has already fought again....FOR A WORLD TITLE....after the Broner win, The Porters flew to NY to stalk my man Swift :lol1: when he put the beats on Paulie, trying to get a fight....now Swift is scheduled to fight AGAIN...ironically, on the date and the venue Porter-Thurman was rumored to be...remeber, Porter-Thurman been talked about for a while, they even did a faceoff in September out in Vegas at the Expo....now, Shawn is waiting on Thurman without a plan B....in this vid Kenny is saying that the cans Kell Brook been smashing are Uncle Al fighters and he's a little upset about not getting the Kell rematch...you can hear that he's not happy with the way Unc is treating his son
Shawn is almost begging through the media for someone to talk to them about fighting again..."SOMEBODY" would of course be Uncle Al in this case
https://youtu.be/TPULoVa9lN4?t=23s
Kenny goes in on the WBC 147 pound Tournament...he's discrediting it due to his son not being mentioned in the Tournament...IMO he has the right to feel some type of way....can't really blame him for feeling that way either
At the end of the day, I hope I'm wrong and I'm OVER ANALYZING this sh*t....it may or may not be trouble in paradise lol...but I got strong feeling everything is NOT right with The Porters and Unc....links and vids in the post...judge for yourselves!!
Ken Porter is the only one with the balls to say something publicly. I'm sure there are others who aren't happy watching guys like swift get paid millions to fight has beens while Porter is fighting guys like Brook,Broner,Thurman almost consecutively.
Where is Khan? Why doesn't he step up and fight Porter? All those guys in that weight class controlled by Al and Sean is on the outside looking in apparently.
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