Reading this forum it seems a lot of posters have no clue what"LINEAL CHAMPION" means

If you've been on this forum long enough, you know the Baldomir win elevates Floyd as the best welterweight in 2006, because he was the "lineal" champ lol Don't act like that's not the logic being used here in yet another larry thread. Show me a post in here where that "logic" is being used.

Nobody claims that as anywhere close to one of his top wins, so I don't really know what you're talking about. If you've been on this forum long enough, you know the Baldomir win elevates Floyd as the best welterweight in 2006, because he was the "lineal" champ lol Don't act like that's not the logic being used here in yet another larry thread.

yeah but floyds dick riders, beating baldomir meant floyd had beaten the best, which was far from the truth at the time. but dont let the maynerds hear u on that Nobody claims that as anywhere close to one of his top wins, so I don't really know what you're talking about.

No but it is they way it went. I think Kovalev is the better all around fighter but until they don't get into the ring with each other we are not going to know. I don't like it at times like the Baldomir situation but it is how it goes and you have to give the fighter their credit for beating the man The Baldimor situation was what it was ,yes he beat the lineal champ but the sad reality is that he wasnt the best WW at the time . Judah was such a disappointment he should have never lost to the likes of Baldimor

You're right, but I think thats taking a mistaken perspective with 'the best but isnt a champ' I think youve entangled yourself too much with the vagueness of the concept of 'championship' to forget that being the best is a far better achievement than being the champ. Being the champ is unimportant in this scenario (look at Cotto/Stevenson), and always will be. Of course this only applies when theres concensus on who is the best - like Golovkin, Uchiyama, and to some extent Kovalev... This is only short term. History is written by the victor. In 10 years, nobody besides the hardcore fans will remember that Cotto wasn't a true MW champion. They will goto equivalent of boxrec, see that he held the lineal MW and say he was one of the best MW ever. I think this is precisely why unification is so important. You're establishing yourself as the man to beat in the division, no matter how you got all the belts.

You defiantly have a point but look at the Adonis Kovalev situation who do you think is the man at lhw right now even the ouch Adonis beat the man that beat the man ? No but it is they way it went. I think Kovalev is the better all around fighter but until they don't get into the ring with each other we are not going to know. I don't like it at times like the Baldomir situation but it is how it goes and you have to give the fighter their credit for beating the man

Here in this site if they like the fighter and is the lineal champ they will defend it. If they don't like the fighter then he is not. It is what it is. With all these bogus titles out there you can only go with the man who beat the man who beat the man You defiantly have a point but look at the Adonis Kovalev situation who do you think is the man at lhw right now even the ouch Adonis beat the man that beat the man ?

Here in this site if they like the fighter and is the lineal champ they will defend it. If they don't like the fighter then he is not. It is what it is. With all these bogus titles out there you can only go with the man who beat the man who beat the man

yeah but floyds dick riders, beating baldomir meant floyd had beaten the best, which was far from the truth at the time. but dont let the maynerds hear u on that You can't listen to *****s they elevate the Gatti win into something special it's the norm with these clowns

I love the idea of lineage. In theory it should a corner stone of the sport. Unfortunately in modern times especially, it doesn't really work. There's too much politics and business which drive the sport. I think as fans we still have a duty to try and keep a lineage, but by sticking to the fundamental rules (which I agree with), there will be anomalies and disagreements. I don't see any other way to do it though. You just have to accept the man who beat the man is champ, which isn't the hard part. The hard part is deciding who the man is. When two challengers fight to create a lineage where it is broke , not everyone will agree who the top 2 are and there's too many circumstances which make it near impossible for the real two best fighters to actually face each other.

My point is, lineal doesn't always equate to "the best in the division". In this case Baldomir was FAR from the best 147lber at the time despite beating the man. yeah but floyds dick riders, beating baldomir meant floyd had beaten the best, which was far from the truth at the time. but dont let the maynerds hear u on that

Linneal is as useless as the WBA Super Championship. LOL this! Honestly, the best guy in the division is marked by whoever has the best wins and looked the best during those wins. With GGGs dominance at 160, which I've taken a while to fully appreciate, there is no doubt he is the superior champion to Cotto, who can prance about with that lineal title all he wants. Stevenson, who I'm a fan of, can claim to be numero uno but with Kovalev beating Pascal and Hopkins, he has overshadowed Stevenson. Fact is, Kovalev is the best in the division in the opinions of most, lineal or not.

Whats your point?? he went in and beat the lineal champion..HE EARNED IT My point is, lineal doesn't always equate to "the best in the division". In this case Baldomir was FAR from the best 147lber at the time despite beating the man.

Lets not forget Carlos Baldomir was once the lineal WW champ! Whats your point?? he went in and beat the lineal champion..HE EARNED IT

The modern concept of lineage disregards the ABC titles. Barring the RING, its always the winner of number 1 vs 2 which establishes a lineage. I dont understand your point at all yep...1 and 2 begins a new lineage..always been like that

Lets not forget Carlos Baldomir was once the lineal WW champ! Exactly yet when he was there much better fighters in his division

You're right, but I think thats taking a mistaken perspective with 'the best but isnt a champ' I think youve entangled yourself too much with the vagueness of the concept of 'championship' to forget that being the best is a far better achievement than being the champ. Being the champ is unimportant in this scenario (look at Cotto/Stevenson), and always will be. Of course this only applies when theres concensus on who is the best - like Golovkin, Uchiyama, and to some extent Kovalev... It's not a perfect system but this is why I'm pulling for Canelo and for stevenson to grow a pair. But like I said in these situations I think this is the exception not rule.

Lineal titles only "dry up" when that person retires or moves up in weight. We can't hang our hat on subjective terms. Someone can't be lineal because you think this person is the best. He may be the best but he isn't the champ period. All you can hope for is that historians will correctly call out lineal champs that were too bogus to give deserving contenders a shot. Burt sugar would.... RIP You're right, but I think thats taking a mistaken perspective with 'the best but isnt a champ' I think youve entangled yourself too much with the vagueness of the concept of 'championship' to forget that being the best is a far better achievement than being the champ. Being the champ is unimportant in this scenario (look at Cotto/Stevenson), and always will be. Of course this only applies when theres concensus on who is the best - like Golovkin, Uchiyama, and to some extent Kovalev...

Wlad vs Povetkin Pascal vs Dawson Ward vs Froch Donaire vs Nishioka Garcia vs Matthysse Mayweather vs Pacquiao Mayweather vs Canelo Theres plenty more examples if you want to go further back Good examples

Well when was the last time we had a Number 1 vs a Number 2 to decide a lineal champion? Wlad vs Povetkin Pascal vs Dawson Ward vs Froch Donaire vs Nishioka Garcia vs Matthysse Mayweather vs Pacquiao Mayweather vs Canelo Theres plenty more examples if you want to go further back