Myth Buster: Timothy Bradley Needs PBC

Yeah I saw some guy posting yesterday about how Bradley needs to leave Arum and go to Haymon to make big money :lol1: After graduating from MIT, Sonnenfeldt began his career as an Associate at Goldman Sachs, from 1978-1979, in the Merger & Acquisitions Department and then transitioned to the Goldman Sachs Realty Corp. In 1980, Sonnenfeldt conceived and initiated the then-largest commercial renovation in the country. With his partner, David Fromer, he transformed the 2.4 million square foot Harborside Terminal in Jersey City, New Jersey into The Harborside Financial Center. He and Fromer spearheaded the development team of over 100 professionals working on the project. Sonnenfeldt and Fromer sold The Harborside Financial Center in 1986 for over $100 million to a major US pension fund in what is considered to be one of the most successful real estate deals in the history of the New York metropolitan area. The Harborside Financial Center continues to operate as one of the top-performing assets in the New Jersey marketplace. At the time, the complex was believed to be the most valuable single commercial real estate asset in the state of New Jersey. After the sale, Sonnenfeldt founded Real Estate Resources Corp, which created online databases of Real Estate information prior to the widespread use of the internet. The business was closed in 1990. In 1991, he founded Emmes & Company, a private real estate investment group based in New York City, to invest in the portfolios of distressed real estate being sold by the Federal Government, from the inventories of the banks they had taken over in the savings and loan crises peaking at that time. When Mr. Sonnenfeldt sold his interest in the business in 1998, the company had grown to own and control more than 200 properties from New York to Florida, consisting of 20+ million square feet of real estate valued at over $1B. Current Businesses In June 1998, after selling his interest in Emmes & Company, Sonnenfeldt founded MUUS & Company, a private investment company. Sonnenfeldt directs the company’s portfolio of financial, real estate and private equity investments. In 1999, Sonnenfeldt founded TIGER 21 (The Investment Group for Enhanced Results in the 21st Century), a network of peer-to-peer learning groups for high-net-worth investors, after recognizing that the skills that made him a successful entrepreneur did not necessarily translate into successfully managing his own portfolio of investments. Sonnenfeldt continues to operate the company as Chairman and is regularly used by news outlets as a resource to discuss investing and high-net-worth investor activity. Sonnenfeldt is also the Chairman of SOL, Inc. (formerly Solar Outdoor Lighting, Inc), North America’s largest and oldest dedicated manufacturer of commercial and industrial grade solar-powered outdoor lighting systems. SOL’s systems are used to illuminate roadways, parking lots, jogging trails, billboards and transit shelters. In 2013 Sonnenfeldt became non-executive Chairman of Carmanah Technologies (LTD), a publicly traded company in Canada (CMH) that manufactures solar LED lights and solar power systems. Mr. Sonnenfeldt is the company’s largest shareholder.

Bradley's earned those paydays the guy always puts everything into it I'm happy for him but I don't want to see him jump to 154lbs.

Okay I guess you are right in the literal sense. Looking at the 5 dimes odds looks like GGG was a -1600 favorite, Lara is about a -6000 favorite with a couple weeks til the fight & Loma was a -14000 favorite, but basically they are all huge favorites for the level of fight they were/are in & lets be real there isn't a lot of -1600 PPV headliner fighters, -6000 ESPN headliner fighters or -14000 HBO undercard fighters you are trying to bet against or expecting to win money on if you do bet against if are a betting man. And they are being paid according for their low risk fights, $2M, $1M & $750k respectively. except that ggg was turned to ppv to recoup most of that salary. GGG hasn't ever made that much before or Lemieux who got 1.5. Loma was one of the highest odds I have actually seena line made for. That was a terrible hbo fight.

Bradley doesn't need PBC. Not at this point. Maybe down the line. Can you imagine Crawford beating Manny and then fighting Bradley next? On the other hand, PBC would love to have Bradley but I don't think they necessarily need him either.

That is the glass half full view and Bradley has earned his spot so in some respects he doesn't have to do a damn thing. At 147 he ain't close to being the man though and beating Brook isn't making him the man either because brook has as much to prove as the PBC guys same with Khan if you want to be honest about it. If he wants to be the man at 147 he needs to fight the PBC guys point blank, he can make money and do whatever but there are guy he likely can't beat on the other side of the street. If there are guys out there that people think you can't beat you aren't really the man regardless of what a list says.

PAC and canelo fights are a waste of time. He doesn't need pbc for his bank account. But he does for his legacy. Beating rios and Vargas do nothing for him

Bradley has made well over $24M since 2011, far more than any other WW during that stretch besides Floyd and Manny. A Canelo fight will likely earn him somewhere in the neighborhood of $4-5M, and win or lose he can still fight guys like Sadam Ali for $2M. Bradley is an example of a fighter who has already accomplished everything, and is now at the tail end of his career collecting big checks while still managing to fight big named fighters. Thurman, Porter and all the other PBC "superstars" need to get on Bradley's level first. They have to fight their way to him just like Bradley fought his way to Pacquiao and Marquez, because their resumes combined don't even equal Bradley's.

For a 2nd time I never said it was a "huge fight". I said it was a fight between players in the division. Khan is obviously a player with him being on Floyd's shortlist for like a year. And Algieri had a PPV fight with the 2nd biggest name in boxing. Again I think you are misunderstanding me. I never said big fight. I said a fight between players in the division. You are on some PBC big fight thing that I'm not really talking about. I'm talking about people that matter at 147. Algieri matters at 147 or at least he mattered going into the fight with Khan. I think its less arguable he's a player now. So nah the fight vs Erick Bone doesn't matter, but even if it did Bone isn't a player so it wouldn't count. Noticed I mentioned Thurman vs Guerrero as a fight between players in the division earlier, but didn't mention Thurman vs Collazo. Cuz Collazo don't matter @ 147 (unless he woulda between Thurman obviously). LOL no clue why you are so into Algieri's status so hard. There's all sorts of ways to become a player in the division. Ortiz was a player post-KO L to Floyd with basically only a Berto W before that. That cat got dancing shows off of the Floyd fight. Whats dick measuring resumes got to do with it lol, I'm talking about money like you were. I'm saying GGG had as much chance to lose to his PPV opponent for $2M as Lara has losing to his ESPN opponent for $1M or Loma had losing to his HBO undercard opponent for $750k. Their all getting free money basically so they all should feel equally entitled to fight unending no chance opposition or whatever you were trying to suggest with your original point about PBC fighters. Not really Lara is a bigger underdog than GGG. Lemieux at least had a punchers chance. Zaveck is shot and past his prime and Lemieux is probably better than Zaveck was even in his prime.

It's too bad TR can't trade Bradley to the PBC for LSC.

By the time his deal is up he will be past prime and just a name. He needs the big fights RIGHT NOW and the 4 biggest fights out there for him: Brook, Khan, Pac and Canelo are all makeable. I'd love to see him against Cotto too, something that I have wanted to see for a couple of years. I think it would be very exciting fight

Algieri fought Pacquaio (granted he got clobbered) that makes him a player in the division like it or not. Anyone who fought Manny or Floyd instantly became a player in the division. Hell Rios woulda been less legit for Bradley to be happy about beating if he hadn't had fought Manny. Didn't say it was a super fight or anything. When has anyone made all the best fights all at once? That formula with how boxing works today doesn't really or no one has shown it to work anyway. I know the UFC puts the best fights on every month that they can make & even they were like WTF about making Rondy Rousey vs Miesha Tate III when Rousey has already beat her ass twice. Or in boxing you get Tyson's reign for the 2 or less years post winning the HBO tournament that was a huge drought & boring to watch & you get Ward's reign after the Super 6 tournament that was a huge drought & boring to watch. There is something to be said for building up specific matchups & not weeding out everyone except the "one" in any division. Arum & King are the most successful promoters in the business & they've never worked that way (or at least a 2nd time for King post-the HBO tournament). Why would PBC wanna work that way? Loma took down $750k iirc for that fringe contender guy. Think Kovalev knocked down about that much for that pizza delivery man he KTFO. GGG's been getting around a mill or more & has less PPV sales than Lara has (granted Lara was the B side to Canelo, but still). I believe he made $2M for Lemieux & I think I'd give Zaveck about as much of a chance to upset Lara as Lemieux had to upset GGG. You make some valid points but Algieri still isn't a huge fight. Using your theory his fight coming on Sho Extreme would qualify as a big fight since he fought Manny. Rios has the Alvarado trilogy to make his fight vs Bradley bigger than Khan vs Algieri was. I also wouldn't compare the at the time reigning IBF middleweight champion in a unification fight as being equal as a way past his prime Zaveck who's prime for whatever it was worth was a division lower.

After the first 3 I listed who else is there? Let's assume he gets by those 3, who knows who will emerge by the time that happens? He could have a better option than Canelo. Maybe not financially but a more "safe" fight.

Reality: PBC needs Tim Bradley. I see many saying that Bradley needs PBC because they have the depth to keep him active. This is totally false and here is why: 1. Bradley is the highest paid American boxer in the sport today. He made $4 million this year which is what you get facing Floyd or Pac. He has a minimum guarantee of $2 million per fight. 2. Bradley is in line for fights vs the 2 biggest cash cows in the sport: Pac and Canelo. 3. Bradley can establish a lineage by beating Pac or Brook (if Pac goes to 140 for TC). Furthermore, Khan is now a viable option. The top 2 fighters in the division are makeable fights (Brook and Pac) 4. PBCs welterweights aren't even fighting each other and cannot establish a lineage without Tim Bradley. Porter has already lost to Brook, Thurman has beaten nobody and Garcia is still adjusting to the new division. From every angle, PBC does nothing for Tim Bradley. Financially or legacy wise. Only #3 & #4 are really relevant to boxing fans. No one wants to see Pac-Bradley again so it's really just Brook unless he gives Marquez a rematch.

Why would you want Bradley fighting Canelo? Thats a retarded fight... Unless he plans to retire afterwards. After the first 3 I listed who else is there?

Not opposed to it like most but probably 4th or 5th on my list. Ali mando Brook Khan Canelo Pac triology No reason why they shouldn't be able to do the first 3 though. Why would you want Bradley fighting Canelo? Thats a retarded fight... Unless he plans to retire afterwards.

So you're actually supporting a fight vs Canelo? Are you a fan? Cause I can't tell right now. You must want him dead. Not opposed to it like most but probably 4th or 5th on my list. Ali mando Brook Khan Canelo Pac triology No reason why they shouldn't be able to do the first 3 though.

So you're actually supporting a fight vs Canelo? Are you a fan? Cause I can't tell right now. You must want him dead.

My post was about assumptions a lil further down the line so yea. PBC is putting on about one elite level top 10 type fight a month, basically like HBO does for the most part. I think its safe to assume that if PBC is around in 2 years we'll have seen a lot of 147lbers fight each other & someone will be standing out. Already we've seen 147lb players fight or be scheduled to fight a few times in PBC's 8 month history with Thurman vs Guerrero, Garcia vs Peterson, Khan vs Algieri, Porter vs Broner & it seems like Thurman vs Porter is all but confirmed for Jan. 23 & thats pretty much for the #1 147 spot with PBC right now. I think people are being overly critical about PBC. It took HBO & Showtime 2yrs+ iirc to figure out who the best HW & 168lber was & they had everyone on board with the plan to fight only each other. PBC has mostly less experienced guys who still attempted to reach their peak & no one has agreed to a tournament to figure out the best 147lber at all. I would scratch Khan vs Algieri from that last of elite fights. Algieiri has one good win and a couple solid ones. So starting in March through December that is 10 months and we can add Quillin vs Jacobs so that is 5 "elite" fights in 10 months so more like one every two months and not one every month. The point is that these guys all have the same "promoter" so they should be able to make the top fights a lot easier than HBO or Showtime who have to work with multiple networks to make the big fights which is way more complicated. PBC pays fighters well regardless of opponent which makes big fights even harder to make because the incentive isn't there. Guys like Lara can fight Zaveck instead of Clottey because the money is about the same. I heard he is knocking down 1 mil for that fight.

i dont think bradley needs pbc at all. I will say bradley is probably the most underappreciated boxer in the sport and has been for awhile. With the cult of pacquiao and the way the first fight went that really hurt his potential fan base but the guy keeps proving the nay sayers wrong every single fight and is gaining fans or haters everytime. I like bradley a lot have for awhile love his spirit. But to the subject at hand im not convinced he needs pbc. He still has fights he can make if hes willing to move up in weight to 154 where i actually think he would fill out nicely. You got the obvious saddam ali fight which will be made hell be able to beat up vargas again hes got cotto and canelo. Hes got matyssee at 147 hes got a potential khan or brook fight. I mean the guy will have fights. The way pbc is going all the guys are afraid to fight each other anyway besides porter and broner. There is a rumor tho that pbc is going to come back to hbo now that they are getting new leadership so keep that in mind also

Your post has two assumptions that we don't know if they will be true, #1 will PBC be around in 2 years and #2 will Bradley want to fight on after this contract. I think he might be done in 2017. The other issue is for all of the top 147-154 lb talent PBC has, we still almost never get to see them in the ring together. Haymon is having a tough time convincing them to face each other. What about Thurman Porter, Porter Broner, Garcia Peterson, Khan Algieri and Thurman Guerrero? all these fights happened in the 140-147 divisions within 1 year, and I expect Garcia vs Khan II to happen sometime next year for the WBC title which would be a huge fight, the winner of this fight and the winner of the upcoming Thurman Porter fight would make great opponents for Bradley. A fight against Brook would only be big in the UK, would Bradley agree to go to the UK to fight Brook knowing that he can't KO Brook and it would definitley be a close fight? wouldn't he worry about getting robbed? As a fan I would love to see the fight but I don't know if it's makeable in the US cuz Brook is relatively unknown there. A 3rd fight with Pacquiao makes absolutely no sense to me as a boxing fan cuz we already know who the better fighter is, Pac already beat him twice and if Bradley beats him in the 3rd fight, it'll be due to Pacquiao slipping, I really have no interest in watching this fight. Canelo is just way too big for Tim and I don't see Tim winning it, Canelo is not Rios, if Cotto beats Canelo however and gets stripped, he can fight Bradley at 154, that would be a good fight that i would like to see since the size difference won't be so drastic.