Super Bantamweight (122) is the Biggest Joke in Boxing

Definitely one of the most frustrating divisions. Post Rigo vs Doniare the top 4 was: Rigo Frampton LSC Quigg two years later and the no,1 cant/wont fight, the no,3 has left the division having fought no one good for years and none of the those 4 have fought each other. Obviously its great that Quigg and Frampton are getting it on, but it doesnt erase the past two years. In regards to Rigondeaux, honestly, he needs to get his sh*t together. Im a huge fan (an original Rigotard member) but he has aligned himself with the wrong people and doesnt seem to be trying all that hard to get away. He got away from Hyde (who I dont have a huge problem with) and I thought was on his way to Haymon, which would have been great, but nothing has happened. He was supposed to announce 'big news' in Spetember and its now f*cking November. Whether by sh*t luck, poor judgement or whatever Rigo is crapping away his career and I I dont think we can blame the other guys for not fighting him in the circumstances (except for LSC with the $3milli demands lol)

The hydration clause was NEVER agreed to, ever. http://www.boxingscene.com/vasyl-lomachenko-rigondeaux-not-want-fight--95269 What kind of gay sh1t is a rehydration clause anyway? If someone requested something similar from Rigo, they'd be called every name under the sun. Call him out then, please. Because he said after his last fight that he was leaving 122, the cut was too difficult. If Quigg and him wasn't such a big money domestic fight - he'd be at 126 right now getting action with Cruz or Russel on PBC. http://www.boxingscene.com/frampton-quigg-jeopardy-carl-eyes-move-126--93686 Frampton said he might move up but later acknowledged that he just got the weight wrong. It was his American debut and he was out of his comfort zone. I think if he does eventually move up, he won't be asking for rehydration clauses.

It hasn't been the same since Pacquiao swept through

He didn't start at 122..... 122 IS his second division. And he's even too small for that one. Technically your are correct he weighed 122¼ in his pro debute however he was fighting for a minor title @ 122 in his third contest. He never made any serious effort above that -- 123 or 125 are not legit weight divisions , I dont know what was going on there to be honest.

Frampton has not ducked Rigondeaux IMO. I think Scott Quigg obviously has being the WBA paper champ for so long without fighting the real WBA champ and so did Santa Cruz fighting janitors. I don't see where Frampton-Rigondeaux has been viable yet. I think it's unfair to judge Frampton in the same light as those two and I'm not saying that just because I'm a fan. Frampton has always maintained - win a world title, fight Quigg then Santa Cruz/ Rigo. He seems to be following the path so far. I will call him out if he waivers. Call him out then, please. Because he said after his last fight that he was leaving 122, the cut was too difficult. If Quigg and him wasn't such a big money domestic fight - he'd be at 126 right now getting action with Cruz or Russel on PBC. http://www.boxingscene.com/frampton-quigg-jeopardy-carl-eyes-move-126--93686

Rigondeaux wouldn't move up without a rehydration clause and when that was agreed to, he still didn't take the fight. I am a huge admirer of Rigo. I would probably rank him as the best fighter in the world if Mayweather was really retired. But people put him on some different level God-like pedestal. The hydration clause was NEVER agreed to, ever.

Well the good news is Frampton or Quigg are about to take an L.If Rigo cant do anything at 122 he should do what Ward is doing and move up ; 126 is stacked and from what I heard recently Loma is calling him out. Guillermo started at 122 and a second division would do him some good. He didn't start at 122..... 122 IS his second division. And he's even too small for that one.

Frampton has not ducked Rigondeaux IMO. I think Scott Quigg obviously has being the WBA paper champ for so long without fighting the real WBA champ and so did Santa Cruz fighting janitors. I don't see where Frampton-Rigondeaux has been viable yet. I think it's unfair to judge Frampton in the same light as those two and I'm not saying that just because I'm a fan. Frampton has always maintained - win a world title, fight Quigg then Santa Cruz/ Rigo. He seems to be following the path so far. I will call him out if he waivers. I don't think he's ducked him either. That fight should happen to create a #1 contender to fight the champion. My overall issue is that Rigo was stripped so that Frampton vs. Quigg can be a unification and Rigo will have to fight the winner to regain his title. That's BS especially because Quigg has beaten no one and has a joke of a title.

Not even close to the same situation. In that case the champion of the division ducked the top contender. My god, boxing is so retarded. :lol1: Frampton has not ducked Rigondeaux IMO. I think Scott Quigg obviously has being the WBA paper champ for so long without fighting the real WBA champ and so did Santa Cruz fighting janitors. I don't see where Frampton-Rigondeaux has been viable yet. I think it's unfair to judge Frampton in the same light as those two and I'm not saying that just because I'm a fan. Frampton has always maintained - win a world title, fight Quigg then Santa Cruz/ Rigo. He seems to be following the path so far. I will call him out if he waivers.

So every titlist in boxing is a paper champion except like 3 or 4 fighters who are lineal champions? Sergey Kovalev - paper champion. Really? Not even close to the same situation. In that case the champion of the division ducked the top contender. My god, boxing is so retarded. :lol1:

Paper champion means you haven't beaten the champion of the division. Rigo beat Donaire to become THE champion. Everybody else is just a titleholder. So every titlist in boxing is a paper champion except like 3 or 4 fighters who are lineal champions? Sergey Kovalev - paper champion. Really?

It's really hard to try and put the blame on anybody else when you hear all the reports of Rigo's team turning down multi-million deals! People will say that his team is clearly at fault but when you're in your mid 30's and have only 14 fights eventually you have to say Rigo should have took the bull by the horns and demanded fights! As much as I don't like Scott Quigg, he stated numerous times that he wanted the Rigo fight! Barry McGuigan wanted the Rigo fight after the second Kiko fight! Don't use Caribe as an excuse to defend the cowardice of the 122 division. Caribe blocked deals for Rigo and did not do their part in making fights with top 15 contenders to keep him active. But they are not the reason why these paper titlists are ducking him. If they want to fight him they can. You pay Rigo his purse, who cares what he does with his money after that?

He is the lineal and unified champion. Clear number 1 in the division. That doesn't make everyone else a paper champion. Does this apply to every division? Every titlist is a "paper champion" unless they are lineal? Or is it a special rule for Rigondeaux? I only ever hear it when it comes to him. He beat one guy - Donaire - for one other belt. Paper champion implies that Frampton somehow stole the belt off Rigo by nefarious means when in reality, Rigo never had any claim to the IBF Title. "How can he unify?" is a different question. The point is he never did. Paper champion means you haven't beaten the champion of the division. Rigo beat Donaire to become THE champion. Everybody else is just a titleholder. It's interesting that you'd say that when the guy in your pic didn't fight Acelino Freites, Joel Casameyor, Kosta Tzyu, Antonio Margarito or Paul Williams! Did you say the same thing when all those fights never materialised, or was it "strictly business"? You guys can't have an intelligent boxing discussion without mentioning this guy. It never fails.

I think the winner will fight Donaire for the WBO. More money in that fight. Rigo will have the WBC so then that's the only fight left for whoever comes out of it. We'll see what happens then. Division looks healthy to me. I don't agree with this thread, PBP. It seems to be angled solely towards what's best for Rigo. I forgot Santa Cruz moved on. Whos Rigo fighting? I don't see him ranked for the WBC. Edit: Rigondeaux vs. Vargas WBC Eliminator is Ordered

It's really hard to try and put the blame on anybody else when you hear all the reports of Rigo's team turning down multi-million deals! People will say that his team is clearly at fault but when you're in your mid 30's and have only 14 fights eventually you have to say Rigo should have took the bull by the horns and demanded fights! As much as I don't like Scott Quigg, he stated numerous times that he wanted the Rigo fight! Barry McGuigan wanted the Rigo fight after the second Kiko fight! Good points.

I have a feeling that the winner will eventually fight him. I dont know whos really to blame there have been many conflicting reports as to who is responsible for Rigos fall lately. I think the winner will fight Donaire for the WBO. More money in that fight. Rigo will have the WBC so then that's the only fight left for whoever comes out of it. We'll see what happens then. Division looks healthy to me. I don't agree with this thread, PBP. It seems to be angled solely towards what's best for Rigo.

I have a feeling that the winner will eventually fight him. I dont know whos really to blame there have been many conflicting reports as to who is responsible for Rigos fall lately. It's really hard to try and put the blame on anybody else when you hear all the reports of Rigo's team turning down multi-million deals! People will say that his team is clearly at fault but when you're in your mid 30's and have only 14 fights eventually you have to say Rigo should have took the bull by the horns and demanded fights! As much as I don't like Scott Quigg, he stated numerous times that he wanted the Rigo fight! Barry McGuigan wanted the Rigo fight after the second Kiko fight!

I have no problem with them fighting but no way this should be a unification. It should be nothing more than an eliminator. It's interesting that you'd say that when the guy in your pic didn't fight Acelino Freites, Joel Casameyor, Kosta Tzyu, Antonio Margarito or Paul Williams! Did you say the same thing when all those fights never materialised, or was it "strictly business"?

well i think he'll be the next mandatory challenger for the winner of frampton-quigg so they have nowhere to run now I have a feeling that the winner will eventually fight him. I dont know whos really to blame there have been many conflicting reports as to who is responsible for Rigos fall lately.

Well the good news is Frampton or Quigg are about to take an L.If Rigo cant do anything at 122 he should do what Ward is doing and move up ; 126 is stacked and from what I heard recently Loma is calling him out. Guillermo started at 122 and a second division would do him some good. well i think he'll be the next mandatory challenger for the winner of frampton-quigg so they have nowhere to run now