their shoulders rotate fully, their hips rotate almost fully, but they leave their feet almost in the same position as their original stance, they don't grind the cigarette out all the way, why is that
I mean that's how karate men fight they punch directly from the hip and its an inferior way to generate power, and its not the way you are taught in a boxing beginners class
so why the hell do they rotate fully but not twist the foot fully//
its almost universal, nearly every pro boxer does this
WHY
Ha the funny thing I noticed in muay thai they teach you not to rotate the foot all the way like in boxing because it exposes the legs main nerve to kicks but boxers don't even turn their foot all the way anyway
if you don't turn your rear foot to a large degree you cant use your leg on the cross so it has less power,
im pretty sure leaving the leg /foot rotation out out transmits less power on other punches like the left hook, but maybe leaving it in place allows for better rooting and power, I will have to try it
boxing and kung fu are hard to compare they are using smaller movements because they can get the job done with less motion, in boxing boxers are very resilient and you need a shed load of power to put some people away, others u simply cant put away, even with full power shots directly to the jaw, they are doing it for different reasons, you cant use a small motion in boxing if u want to put them out because they use a different way of punching, point scoring yes, finishing no
Fighting is fighting. All the fighting arts that are worth anything are more related than you think. I've been in kwoons, dojos, and boxing gyms so I've seen the similarities and differences firsthand, so to speak.
I'm not saying you don't go big when you have to... I'm saying you simplify what you CAN. This includes what you are referring to. They also teach large exaggerated movements in the boxing gym, but expect you to tighten things up as you get the idea. Similar to martial arts. That answers your question right there. It's a move taught to beginners that is phased out as the boxer becomes more proficient.
And I never said leave the rotation out.. I said accomplish the same thing with less outward appearance of having done so. With less energy expended and less of your balance compromised.
My point is there are guys that generate way more power that metely shift as opposed to an exaggerated twist. If you "twist out the cigarette" it is ultimately unefficient and leaves you unrooted and out of position.
I'm not saying you don't move the feet in order to align the leg. I'm saying you do so as efficiently as possible. This can be accomplished internally as opposed to something that is easily seen. All an outside observer would see is an imperceptible shift to align the body together for whatever the attack is. Straight right, overhand, lead hook, right hook , uppercut and ect. All these attacks require different alignments of your skeletal Frame to maximize their power and efficiency. And yes, alignment starts with the feet. But it's more of a .... snowball effect.. the torquing movement with the feet is small, through the leg it gets more.. the hips turn to align the shoulders with your purpose.. your core adds its muscular might to the effort, the shoulder turn the arms, building off of all the leverage and power your body has already generated.. the arm delivers the fist in an explosion of energy. That's a good power punch.
in boxing this is called having heavy hands... I am merely explaining it in a different way. You can actually train for heavy hands, with the proper technique. It's not just something you are born with, contrary to popular belief.
Then don't even get me started on velocity and weight transference via small or large jumpsteps.. That could add more to your shots. Pacquiao is famous for this with his straight left.
Anyway, just never do more than you have to. Don't be fancy do what works.
As you get higher level your torque generating footwork gets less and less exaggerated. All you really need to add some weight transference is an imperceptible shift.
That's why in tai chi/Kung fu they teach the beginners large exaggerated movements but you see all the masters using very imperceptible movements, comparatively.
It's all about efficiency of energy and movement. You learn the idea, then you learn to do the same thing with less and less movement as you gain proficiency. In the end, an exaggerated foot twist does nothing but make it harder to maintain your root (from which your power is derived) as you transition into another attack.
if you don't turn your rear foot to a large degree you cant use your leg on the cross so it has less power,
im pretty sure leaving the leg /foot rotation out out transmits less power on other punches like the left hook, but maybe leaving it in place allows for better rooting and power, I will have to try it
boxing and kung fu are hard to compare they are using smaller movements because they can get the job done with less motion, in boxing boxers are very resilient and you need a shed load of power to put some people away, others u simply cant put away, even with full power shots directly to the jaw, they are doing it for different reasons, you cant use a small motion in boxing if u want to put them out because they use a different way of punching, point scoring yes, finishing no
The lead foot may twist slightly during a left hook but the main reason pro boxers keep their feet planted is so that they don't wind up on their asses. Punches from boxers are not like karate and muay thai, boxers will throw you off balance with their power. Footwork is everything, don't twist your feet.
As you get higher level your torque generating footwork gets less and less exaggerated. All you really need to add some weight transference is an imperceptible shift.
That's why in tai chi/Kung fu they teach the beginners large exaggerated movements but you see all the masters using very imperceptible movements, comparatively.
It's all about efficiency of energy and movement. You learn the idea, then you learn to do the same thing with less and less movement as you gain proficiency. In the end, an exaggerated foot twist does nothing but make it harder to maintain your root (from which your power is derived) as you transition into another attack.
I'm not really sure what you're asking, maybe post pictures?
Most of your power will come from your hamstrings and turning your lower back, not feet per se. The role of your feet in boxing is mobility so those punches are actually able to hit something.
Maybe in a bag punching competition some new stance would be popularized but these guys have to use them for moving.
got it so its for tactical reasons ie mobility, how come no 1 ever talks about this, its like something obvious that every pro does that absolutely no one talks about or knows about, I mean u don't really know that was just a guess wasn't it, you can rotate the feet fully and still be just as mobile and u need to fully rotate the feet to get the most out of your legs
b4 another guesser masquerading as an expert told me its because they didn't want to add power to an incoming shot, but that's simply not true because a lot of th time they use full power full torque of the shoulders
I'm not really sure what you're asking, maybe post pictures?
Most of your power will come from your hamstrings and turning your lower back, not feet per se. The role of your feet in boxing is mobility so those punches are actually able to hit something.
Maybe in a bag punching competition some new stance would be popularized but these guys have to use them for moving.