Is Khan a top 5 welterweight?

You've gone back and forth so many times, you must be a yo-yo. But I'll let you off. :rolleyes: I'd say - Pacquiao Bradley Khan Brook Porter Thurman Khan outclassed Alexander, da phuck has Thurman done that is that good? Can I ask why youd rank Khan over Brook? Kell beat the guy who also dismantled Alexander. TBRB ranked Khan like that at one point too, I dont understand the logic

I never said Garcia is top 5, ive pretty much said Khan ranks higher than him at 147 multiple times. Id rank Garcia around 9, Khan 6 or 7 I dont care who the champion was when Khan/Garcia went down, its barely relevant. For arguments sake though, it was the Garcia/Matthysse fight which established the universally recognised 140 championship. Garcia was the 140 champion when he moved to welterweight, Khan was a contender when he did. Therefore its right to give Garcia far more credit for his 140lb achievements than Khan when ranking them at 147. Youve totally misunderstood (or misread) what I said. You've gone back and forth so many times, you must be a yo-yo. But I'll let you off.

You originally said you thought Garcia had a shot at being top 5 and not khan. there's no confusion. You're just backtracking cos you realised you sounded stupid. And Garcia was not THE champ when Khan faced him, that was between Khan or Peterson. Again, you don't know what you're talking about. I never said Garcia is top 5, ive pretty much said Khan ranks higher than him at 147 multiple times. Id rank Garcia around 9, Khan 6 or 7 I dont care who the champion was when Khan/Garcia went down, its barely relevant. For arguments sake though, it was the Garcia/Matthysse fight which established the universally recognised 140 championship. Garcia was the 140 champion when he moved to welterweight, Khan was a contender when he did. Therefore its right to give Garcia far more credit for his 140lb achievements than Khan when ranking them at 147. Youve totally misunderstood (or misread) what I said.

If Garcia was the champion, what was Khan? Pretty logical answer. Garcia being the outright man at 140 should give him a little credit when he moves up, but not a lot. With a win over shot Paulie, rank 9 seems fair Khan beat Paulie at 140. The Alexander win ranks Khan higher at 147 obviously, like i've already said. I'm not sure why youre so confused You originally said you thought Garcia had a shot at being top 5 and not khan. there's no confusion. You're just backtracking cos you realised you sounded stupid. And Garcia was not THE champ when Khan faced him, that was between Khan or Peterson. Again, you don't know what you're talking about.

Where would you rank Amir Khan right now at 147? His achievements at the weight are: A very poor showing against Diaz Outclassed an ancient Collazo A whitewash against Alexander Either way fight with Algieri The top guys at 147 currently: Pacquiao Bradley Brook Thurman Porter (You can throw Garcia somewhere, given he was the 140 champion moving up) Your thoughts? I'd say - Pacquiao Bradley Khan Brook Porter Thurman Khan outclassed Alexander, da phuck has Thurman done that is that good?

Thats fair, however the fight was at 140. I think Garcia should have an honourable mention in the top 10 as he was the 140lb world champion and has since moved up. But I dont think he'd be ranked over Khan at 147 as Khan has done more at the weight A post earlier in the thread. I guess you skipped over this

wait huh? Khan was a contender? The guy had two belts at 140 and beat Maidana, Judah, Paulie, Kotelnik and possibly beat Pederson. Most of those wins were dominant. His loss to Garcia was in a fun, 3 round fight. You can't possibly call Khan a contender...like how? I understand not liking someone for various reasons, I don't know what your reasons are, but let's be logical here. And Khan beat a better version of Paulie and did so more convincingly than Garcia too, heck beating Alexander is better than beating Paulie. Your post is quite bizarre, definitely quote worthy lol If Garcia was the champion, what was Khan? Pretty logical answer. Garcia being the outright man at 140 should give him a little credit when he moves up, but not a lot. With a win over shot Paulie, rank 9 seems fair Khan beat Paulie at 140. The Alexander win ranks Khan higher at 147 obviously, like i've already said. I'm not sure why youre so confused

My criteria for Garcia ranked in the top 10 is based on him being THE champion at 140, and his win over Paulie. By honourable mention, id probably rank him around where TBRB have. I cant apply the same for Khan as he was simply a contender at 140, so we're left with his win over Alexander. I personally dont put that much value on that win as Alexander was beaten pretty shortly before, pretty badly aswell. As for 'skill/talent' level, surely his either way fight with Algieri puts him pretty far out from the top 5? Algieri might be some beast at 147 but he hasnt shown that yet. wait huh? Khan was a contender? The guy had two belts at 140 and beat Maidana, Judah, Paulie, Kotelnik and possibly beat Pederson. Most of those wins were dominant. His loss to Garcia was in a fun, 3 round fight. You can't possibly call Khan a contender...like how? I understand not liking someone for various reasons, I don't know what your reasons are, but let's be logical here. And Khan beat a better version of Paulie and did so more convincingly than Garcia too, heck beating Alexander is better than beating Paulie. Your post is quite bizarre, definitely quote worthy lol

How can Thurman be there when u complain about what khan has done at WW? Imo, based on previous achievements at 140 (your criteria for DG) and skill/talent level, added together with his complete humiliation of da, I'd say khan is top 5. My top 5 is pretty straightforward : Pacman Bradley Brook Porter Khan Maidana could have a case because of the mayweather fights but he's been inactive and DG simply because of what he did at 140. I think it just shows how devoid of depth welter is right now but we could have some classic match ups if all these guys fight each other. My criteria for Garcia ranked in the top 10 is based on him being THE champion at 140, and his win over Paulie. By honourable mention, id probably rank him around where TBRB have. I cant apply the same for Khan as he was simply a contender at 140, so we're left with his win over Alexander. I personally dont put that much value on that win as Alexander was beaten pretty shortly before, pretty badly aswell. As for 'skill/talent' level, surely his either way fight with Algieri puts him pretty far out from the top 5? Algieri might be some beast at 147 but he hasnt shown that yet.

Thats fair, however the fight was at 140. I think Garcia should have an honourable mention in the top 10 as he was the 140lb world champion and has since moved up. But I dont think he'd be ranked over Khan at 147 as Khan has done more at the weight True, but still. He was beaten by Garcia badly. And regardless of Khan fighting above 140, he's still fighting 140 lbers.

I think it all depends on which Khan we're talking about. If it's the on point Khan who brings his A game then yes he's top 5 and most guys would struggle against him. If it's not A game Khan then a lot of guys can trouble him.

Khan's by far the best 147 pounder in the game at the moment. He'll beat Floyd and Manny easy at this point, and I'm talking 9 - 3 virtual shut out. It's a done deal. In fact he could probably beat them both on the same night. There's a reason Floyd, Manny, Marquez, Bradley, Broner and Brook ducked Khan like their life depended on it. :rofl: :rofl: This guy is funny as hell. I'd green k him if I could, but he got banned, probably for making this post.

Where would you rank Amir Khan right now at 147? His achievements at the weight are: A very poor showing against Diaz Outclassed an ancient Collazo A whitewash against Alexander Either way fight with Algieri The top guys at 147 currently: Pacquiao Bradley Brook Thurman Porter (You can throw Garcia somewhere, given he was the 140 champion moving up) Your thoughts? How can Thurman be there when u complain about what khan has done at WW? Imo, based on previous achievements at 140 (your criteria for DG) and skill/talent level, added together with his complete humiliation of da, I'd say khan is top 5. My top 5 is pretty straightforward : Pacman Bradley Brook Porter Khan Maidana could have a case because of the mayweather fights but he's been inactive and DG simply because of what he did at 140. I think it just shows how devoid of depth welter is right now but we could have some classic match ups if all these guys fight each other.

Not to forget Garcia flattened Khan with ease when they fought. So until proven otherwise, he should be ranked higher than Khan as he proved he was a much better fighter. Thats fair, however the fight was at 140. I think Garcia should have an honourable mention in the top 10 as he was the 140lb world champion and has since moved up. But I dont think he'd be ranked over Khan at 147 as Khan has done more at the weight

I reckon he's fifth or around that area. He needs to fight some better opponents now though. I think him and Manny Pacquiao would do his career good.

What makes you think that? We all saw Floyd duck Khan several times and now Manny is doing the same. Marquez, Bradley, Broner all ducked him too. Why do you think they ducked? Because they know they can't win. Khan's top of the division now because Floyd conceded defeat to Khan. You can't duck that many times and just pretend like it didn't happen. It is what it is, Khan's at the top of 147, forcing boxers to retire rather than face him. flatline is definitely the right name for you, your intelligence is dead khan is certainly not no. 1, but has all the opportunity to be and doesn't take it! should have been a fight with Alexander when he was champ. since that didn't happen, he was still offered summer ibf brook fight which, it so confident of winning, should have took it and then after putting the idea of being may jrs last fight in September at the end of the a big Wembley win, just shut up and wait!! let the media/fans apply the pressure and justification because he'd be coming off the only other biggest fight off that year so far, there would be a big thirst to see the two winners fight to effectively unify the division (I know Floyd didn't have the wbo strap by September but he win it). that would have put him right up there, but no!!! he *****ed and *****ed some more, went with algieri and then talked so much s#it he became the joke of the boxing world, every other day an article coming up with him sounding ever more obsessed, and for that, no more chances. mayweather disappointingly then fought berto, when it should have been brook in my opinion, or Bradley.

Nope........

No...how can you be top 5 without even fighting anyone in the top 5? By having better records than one of the five and then waiting until one of them loses a fight. In any case Khan may have the talent to be in the top 5 but he definitely does not have the record.

SO no one of them have beaten A TOP 5 WELTERWIEGHT ? So they aren't in the top 5 either. But they have though? Bradley, Pacquiao, Brook all have wins over current top 5 welterweights. Thurman has wins over 2 top 10 opponents, and Porter was recently champion who's beaten 1 current and 2 former WW champions in his last 5 fights as well as only losing to the #1 ranked WW in the world. Khan's resume at 147 just isn't that good.

Yeah, it makes no sense. Top 3 is ok for me but surely Porter should be ahead of Khan!? Then maybe Thurman just below Porter and ahead of Khan seeing as Keith has beaten a guy in that list. Also, has Garcia even fought at Welterweight properly? I don't see the need to have him in the list. Having him in at 9 is a bit random, it seems like he's been shoehorned into that list for no real reason. He definitely should be ranked higher than Khan as a fighter but not proven anything at WW yet. Having Khan has high as 6 would be being generous to be honest. Not to forget Garcia flattened Khan with ease when they fought. So until proven otherwise, he should be ranked higher than Khan as he proved he was a much better fighter.