Isnt it time we 'derecognise' the WBA?

Thought i'd revive this thread, given the amount of scrutiny the Golovkin detractors are giving the WBA suddenly. Some more of the legit decisions made by the WBA in the past couple of years: Uchiyama-Fortuna was forgotten about as Fortuna wouldn't accept the money offered for a fight in Japan. Instead of stripping Fortuna, they let Uchiyama fight Corrales (the interim champion) and let Fortuna keep his paper belt, totally bypassing his mandatory obligations. Andre Ward last defended his WBA 168lb crown Nov 13 2013. He later decided to vacate this title Nov 15 2015, without fighting once. In other words, he held onto the WBA Super title for 2 years without fighting, and he only lost it by voluntarily vacating it. Mayweather-Lara or Mayweather-Thurman was never in the pipeline. May weather seemed immune to mandatories, as the rules didn't apply to him. The WBA seem flip floppy over the Golovkin-Jacobs scenario, though I don't know the full facts on this one. I'm not sure when the WBA mandatory is actually 'due'. Ricky Burns fought for a vacant WBA 140lb title despite not fighting at 140 for well over a year, and lost that fight. His opponent wasn't in the top 5, or even top 10 of the division as far as I remember. No-one actually knows, not even the WBA, what the current arrangements are for the WBA cruiserweight mandatories. Shumenov claims he should be in line for it, but the WBA refuse to clarify, instead allowing Dorticos to fight for a Regular title. This is what happened to Benevidez when Broner got a magic 140lb WBA title shot out of the blue. There are no plans to enforce Kovalev-Braehmer, probably due to the WBA's concern for Braehmers wellbeing. The shame of it all really is that Braehmer is actually a decent fighter, but refuses to prove it against any durable competition. Felix Sturm is still the WBA super middleweight champion despite failing a drugs test, in a rematch that not many people thought he won. His career is tainted with failed drugs tests and dodgy decisions. The WBA have back Sturm in a number of these scenarios.

:nonono: just smh I use http://www.tbrb.org/all-rankings/ usually you would recognize the lineal champ as THEE champ.... but then you have situations as stevenson-kovalev & cotto-ggg. On the flip side of that fighters like Frampton, Quigg and LSC would not have been able to market themselves as champions without facing Rigondeaux. 1Title per division is so much easier to follow, and much easier fo enforce rules on. Stevenson and Cotto would likely either have been stripped by now, or be very close. From there Kov and GGG fight the no.2 for the vacant title. As it stands who cares if they stripped of some mythical title that only hardcores really follow?

Boxing used to have 1 champion per division. Now we have 2 divisions with 4 champions from only 1 sanctioning body There's an interim interim champion at both Middleweight and Super Featherweight That's just the nature of the business. In a world of one sanctioning body, they would only collect fees in lineal title fights. With all of these cold wars and contract disputes all 4 sancitoning bodies would go out of business. I like the idea of a Premier Champion (undisputed champ.) to encourage unifying divisions but that seems to be a long ways away.

Idk how it works but Japanese commission don't allow WBA interim. Others commissions could follow the step. The JBC are able to do that as they have very strict control over the sport over there. For example, they have a gym system which many people don't know about and would find strange. It's very rare for two fighters from the same gym to actually fight. But commissions in the US are a dime a dozen, if you can't fight for a title in one state commission, you find another. Margarito was able to fight Manny in Texas using this method. In the UK and Europe its much the same thing. Given how EU rules work, boxers are able to apply for licences from any EU commission. David Haye had his BBBC licence revoked, but was able to get a licence from Luxembourg to allow the Chisora fight to happen. All of these commissions would have to implement that rule, and that's very unrealistic.

Idk how it works but Japanese commission don't allow WBA interim. Others commissions could follow the step.

Boxing used to have 1 champion per division. Now we have 2 divisions with 4 champions from only 1 sanctioning body There's an interim interim champion at both Middleweight and Super Featherweight

Heres the list of current WBA 'world champions': Heavyweight: WBA Super Champion : Wladimir Klitschko WBA World Champion : Ruslan Chagaev interim WBA World Champion : Sanctioned Ortiz vs Jennings Cruiserweight: WBA Super Champion : Suspected Sanctioned Jones vs Enzo WBA World Champion : Denis Lebedev interim WBA World Champion : Beibut Shumenov Light Heavyweight: WBA 'Undisputed' Champion : Sergey Kovalev WBA World Champion : Jurgen Braehmer interim WBA World Champion : Felix Valera Super Middleweight: WBA Super Champion (for life) : Andre Ward WBA World Champion : Fedor Chudinov interm WBA World Champion : Vincent Feigenbutz Middleweight: WBA Super Champion : Gennady Golovkin WBA World Champion : Daniel Jacobs interim WBA World Champion : Chris Eubank Jr interim interim WBA World Champion : Alfonso Blanco Jr Middleweight: WBA Super Champion : Vacant WBA World Champion : Erislandy Lara interim WBA World Champion : Jack Culcay Welterweight: WBA Super Champion : Vacant WBA World Champion : Keith Thurman interim WBA World Champion : David Avanesyan Light Welterweight: WBA Super Champion : Adrien Broner WBA World Champion : Sanctioned Benevidez vs Di Rocco interim WBA World Champion : Vacant Lightweight: WBA Super Champion : Vacant WBA World Champion : Darleys Perez interim WBA World Champion : Derry Matthews Super Featherweight: WBA Super Champion : Takashi Uchiyama WBA World Champion : Javier Fortuna interim WBA World Champion : Emanuel Lopez interim interim WBA World Champion : Jezreel Corrales Featherweight: WBA Super Champion : Leo Santa Cruz WBA World Champion : Jesus Andres Cuellar interim WBA World Champion : Carlos Zambrano Super Bantamweight: WBA Super Champion : Guillermo Rigondeux WBA World Champion : Scott Quigg interim WBA World Champion : Moises Flores Bantamweight: WBA Super Champion : Juan Carlos Payano WBA World Champion : Jamie Mcdonnell interim WBA World Champion : Yonfrez Parejo Super Flyweight: WBA Super Champion : Vacant WBA World Champion : Kohei Kono interim WBA World Champion : Luis Concepcion Flyweight: WBA Super Champion : Juan Francisco Estrada WBA World Champion : Kazuto Ioka interim WBA World Champion : Stamp Kiatniwat Light Flyweight: WBA Super Champion : Vacant WBA World Champion : Ryoichi Taguchi interim WBA World Champion : Randy Petalcorin Strawweight: WBA Super Champion : Vacant WBA World Champion : Hekkie Budler interim WBA World Champion : Knockout CP Freshmart

Well it's very clear at this point that the WBA's intention is to have a Super champion, World champion and Interim champion at all times in all weight classes. So it shouldn't be any surprise that Broner was elevated. There was no Super champion, he was the World champion, so he moves up and then the Interim champion will move up. This is how the WBA operates. But it really hurts EVERY organization as it's diminishing the prestige of being a "World champion" as you now have the oldest organization training the public that "World champion" = fake champion. This is a big problem and I'm surprised the other 3 recognized bodies haven't done more to try to either change the WBA's mind, or, work collectively to de-recognize the WBA. If the WBC, IBF and WBO all decided they were no longer recognizing the WBA, specifically because of their Super champion policy, went public about it, no longer allowed unifications with the WBA and refused to rank any fighter that held any WBA affiliated regional title, complete blackballing of the WBA, it would force the WBA to buckle and honestly, the other 3 organizations would be far more powerful and would make more money if they could squeeze out the WBA and return the sport to a 3 organization setup, with the WBO replacing the WBA. If sites like Boxingscene started to stop recognising the WBA, it'd have some impact. The IBHOF should grow a set of balls and stop recognising these paper championships. They are in a position to as their HOF rival in the WBHOF has slipped tremendously in recent times, meaning they don't have to worry about them.

Well it's very clear at this point that the WBA's intention is to have a Super champion, World champion and Interim champion at all times in all weight classes. So it shouldn't be any surprise that Broner was elevated. There was no Super champion, he was the World champion, so he moves up and then the Interim champion will move up. This is how the WBA operates. But it really hurts EVERY organization as it's diminishing the prestige of being a "World champion" as you now have the oldest organization training the public that "World champion" = fake champion. This is a big problem and I'm surprised the other 3 recognized bodies haven't done more to try to either change the WBA's mind, or, work collectively to de-recognize the WBA. If the WBC, IBF and WBO all decided they were no longer recognizing the WBA, specifically because of their Super champion policy, went public about it, no longer allowed unifications with the WBA and refused to rank any fighter that held any WBA affiliated regional title, complete blackballing of the WBA, it would force the WBA to buckle and honestly, the other 3 organizations would be far more powerful and would make more money if they could squeeze out the WBA and return the sport to a 3 organization setup, with the WBO replacing the WBA.

probably since back then there was only 1 or 2 sanctioning bodies and more people cared about shady stuff whereas right now no one really gives a ****! There is no "authority" or central governing body to punish them and there isn't public outrage. you know any retired Capos looking for work? Any underbosses collecting a pension we can hire?

Fully agree. That tweet on the last page perfectly explains this: Here's a stat. Including interim and regular, the WBA have sanctioned 78 World title fights for 2015 so far. WBC/IBF/WBO = 37/33/32 2.5x the amount of title fights than the IBF and WBO and 2x the amount of the WBC. It's unreal. LOL I just referenced this. Unfuckinbelievable. each time, extra sanctioning fee. I swear boxing is more corrupt with the lawyers running it then when the mob ran it. How is that even possible.

I can't recall a situation like this one for quite some time. The WBA pushed Khabib's ranking up without fighting. They then promoted Broner out of the blue to enable them to crown another world champion, and also enabling Broner to not worry about mandatories for 18 months. Had Broner a string of WBA defences, or was a unified champion, id understand. Im not trying to single out Broner, he beat up a relatively decent opponent and I give him his dues. The situation surrounding his title however is disgraceful. The WBC are equally as corrupt. How on earth can you have both an active world champion and an active interim champion? That makes no sense at all. The WBO have long been compromised by promoters, most notably Frank Warren here in the UK and more recently by Top Rank. However, I feel the WBC/IBF/WBO do not water down nearly as much what it means to be 'world champion'. They all usually crown 1 champ at a time, and the WBC have recently tried to force unification fights, so credit where its due. Having these three orgs only would be a massive step in the right direction. Ultimately they need to change, however. The WBA on the other hand SEVERELY dilute world championship honours. They dont care anymore, and its a slap in the face of the sport. Yeah. Someone posted the WBA has like 78 world championship fights this year. Each one got them extra % in sanctioning fees. Utterly disgraceful. I know you are not singling out AB. You've been well ahead on this. You've been killing the WBA for a minute. Kudos to you for that.

I say all belts! They have become irrelevant Pretty much!! It's gotten to the point that winning a UFC title is way more meaningful than winning a title in boxing.

Jones-Enzo being for the Super WBA Cruiserweight is embarassing and deserves a serious response from the boxing community. That's a terrible title fight.

you have a right to be outraged over the broner decision, but this isn't the first time the WBA has elevated or promoted a fighter to super champion. WBC and WBO have made some disgraceful decisions as well. They all need to go. I can't recall a situation like this one for quite some time. The WBA pushed Khabib's ranking up without fighting. They then promoted Broner out of the blue to enable them to crown another world champion, and also enabling Broner to not worry about mandatories for 18 months. Had Broner a string of WBA defences, or was a unified champion, id understand. Im not trying to single out Broner, he beat up a relatively decent opponent and I give him his dues. The situation surrounding his title however is disgraceful. The WBC are equally as corrupt. How on earth can you have both an active world champion and an active interim champion? That makes no sense at all. The WBO have long been compromised by promoters, most notably Frank Warren here in the UK and more recently by Top Rank. However, I feel the WBC/IBF/WBO do not water down nearly as much what it means to be 'world champion'. They all usually crown 1 champ at a time, and the WBC have recently tried to force unification fights, so credit where its due. Having these three orgs only would be a massive step in the right direction. Ultimately they need to change, however. The WBA on the other hand SEVERELY dilute world championship honours. They dont care anymore, and its a slap in the face of the sport.

So the WBA have elevated Broner to Super Champion for beating rank 5 Allakhverdiev Lets look at the bs rule that enables this: 'In exceptional circumstances, the Championships Committee and the President may designate a Champion (other than an Interim Champion) as a Super Champion. The President and Committee may establish criteria for a Super Championship.' AKA the rules are only for show, the President can do what he likes, and the 'championships committee' will follow like sheep. Now obviously, the 'exceptional' circumstances are that Broner won a belt against Allakhverdiev, in this generations fight of the decade. Therefore its only right to cram anotber world champion in the mix, given the magnitude of the Broner-Allakhverdiev megafight. Its time to derecognise the WBA. you have a right to be outraged over the broner decision, but this isn't the first time the WBA has elevated or promoted a fighter to super champion. WBC and WBO have made some disgraceful decisions as well. They all need to go.

So the WBA have elevated Broner to Super Champion for beating rank 5 Allakhverdiev Lets look at the bs rule that enables this: 'In exceptional circumstances, the Championships Committee and the President may designate a Champion (other than an Interim Champion) as a Super Champion. The President and Committee may establish criteria for a Super Championship.' AKA the rules are only for show, the President can do what he likes, and the 'championships committee' will follow like sheep. Now obviously, the 'exceptional' circumstances are that Broner won a belt against Allakhverdiev, in this generations fight of the decade. Therefore its only right to cram anotber world champion in the mix, given the magnitude of the Broner-Allakhverdiev megafight. Its time to derecognise the WBA.

Here's a stat. Including interim and regular, the WBA have sanctioned 78 World title fights for 2015 so far. WBC/IBF/WBO = 37/33/32 #DerecognizeWBA

Well Cotto and Stevenson are the champions of their divisions Lineal doesn't, and never has, meant the best though. In fact, most posters on here use 'lineal' on face value alone. Beating the lineal champion (and becoming one) may not be as great a feat as the face value would suggest. Look at Baldomir and Sonny Boy Jaro for perfect examples. The lineal system is flawed in that it offers two methods of acquiring the championship - no.1 vs no.2 is barely debatable and forming a vacant championship that way is respectable. However acquiring a championship from a champion isn't nearly as respectable if and when the champion isn't the no.1 fighter in the division anymore. In terms of legacy, I think we should look far more into who the best fighter of the division is, more so than the titles they hold (when theres some sort of consensus). For example, Mayweather beating Cotto again for the lineal championship means a lot less than Mayweather beating Golovkin to become the best middleweight in the world. I guess this is a topic for another thread though, lol :boxing::boxing:

:nonono: just smh I use http://www.tbrb.org/all-rankings/ usually you would recognize the lineal champ as THEE champ.... but then you have situations as stevenson-kovalev & cotto-ggg. Well Cotto and Stevenson are the champions of their divisions Lineal doesn't, and never has, meant the best though. In fact, most posters on here use 'lineal' on face value alone. Beating the lineal champion (and becoming one) may not be as great a feat as the face value would suggest. Look at Baldomir and Sonny Boy Jaro for perfect examples. The lineal system is flawed in that it offers two methods of acquiring the championship - no.1 vs no.2 is barely debatable and forming a vacant championship that way is respectable. However acquiring a championship from a champion isn't nearly as respectable if and when the champion isn't the no.1 fighter in the division anymore. In terms of legacy, I think we should look far more into who the best fighter of the division is, more so than the titles they hold (when theres some sort of consensus). For example, Mayweather beating Cotto again for the lineal championship means a lot less than Mayweather beating Golovkin to become the best middleweight in the world. I guess this is a topic for another thread though, lol