ESPN Updated P4P List October 20, 2015

1. Chocolatito 2. GGG 3. Pacquiao 4. Rigondeaux 5. Ward 6. Kovalev 7. Bradley 8. Klitschko 9. Cotto 10. Canelo Disgusting indeed. Klit obviously number 1.

Truly it should be Klit and Kovalev, then from there you can put their name in a hat and just grab cause it really does not matter after those two. Just looked at Ward's resume and man he went on a great run from 2009 until 2013. Look at the guys Viloria beats to get his shot at Roman, aside from Estrada several fights ago a fight which he still lost I don't think he done **** to deserve this.

I feel that Kovalev and Klitschko both deserve a spot ahead of Pacquiao. because they do

1. Chocolatito 2. GGG 3. Pacquiao 4. Rigondeaux 5. Ward 6. Kovalev 7. Bradley 8. Klitschko 9. Cotto 10. Canelo that's a trash list GGG is number 2? lol all the guys rated under him have better resumes and comparable if not more talent Pac is waaaaay too high, how long is he gonna live off what he did in the 2000s, this is a new decade and this decade he only has 1 really good win and that's Bradley....he also got thoroughly outboxed by Mayweather and Ko'ed by Marquez....He is not top 5 p4p anymore Cotto and Canelo make the top ten if the winner looks great

I like Golovkin a lot, but to suggest his resume is better than Kovalev is silly. Hopkins and Pascal are better than anyone GGG has fought. He's also undefeated, exciting and destroys his opposition. Definitely deserves to be over GGG. Gonzalez has been very dominant in his division. I think most people put him #1 P4P because one of the definitions of P4P is "if everyone weighted the same". Gonzalez is a little guy who's an excellent boxer. Pound for Pound, he may be the best in the world. I didn't suggest it was better did I, I said it's splitting hairs. Looking at Hopkins record, the only elite opponent he's been able to beat in some time was Pascal whereas Stevenson KTFO Chad Dawson in one round so again, how can you be sure that he is best in his own division? "He's also undefeated, exciting and destroys his opposition. Definitely deserves to be over GGG." Haha yeah he (too) is that.

For beating a 50 year old and tagging on another loss to Pascal? He won fighter of the year for that. Why rematch that fight anyway? He still has to actually prove that he is better than Stevenson. I say it is not absurd but splitting hairs.I like Golovkin a lot, but to suggest his resume is better than Kovalev is silly. Hopkins and Pascal are better than anyone GGG has fought. He's also undefeated, exciting and destroys his opposition. Definitely deserves to be over GGG. Gonzalez hasn't got better wins or the type of dominance that Wladimir and Kovalev have over better opponents, this hype train for this guy is absurd. People want to jump on the Ring Magazine crap they print. Gonzalez has been very dominant in his division. I think most people put him #1 P4P because one of the definitions of P4P is "if everyone weighted the same". Gonzalez is a little guy who's an excellent boxer. Pound for Pound, he may be the best in the world.

I'll say it every time, Golovkin ranking above Kovalev is absolutely absurd. For beating a 50 year old and tagging on another loss to Pascal? He won fighter of the year for that. Why rematch that fight anyway? He still has to actually prove that he is better than Stevenson. I say it is not absurd but splitting hairs.

If Ward stayed active I'd likely have him at 1/2 it'd have between him and Wladimir, I'd have liked to seen him fight DeGale or Jack this year that would bring him back for me but I can't just toss someone up in at top 5 when his last good fight was like 3/4 years ago. I can accept Gonzalez in top 10 and even top 5 but there is no way in hell does he belong at the number 1 spot. Roman just fought a guy with almost 30 losses. That says it all right there.

Truly it should be Klit and Kovalev, then from there you can put their name in a hat and just grab cause it really does not matter after those two. Just looked at Ward's resume and man he went on a great run from 2009 until 2013. If Ward stayed active I'd likely have him at 1/2 it'd have between him and Wladimir, I'd have liked to seen him fight DeGale or Jack this year that would bring him back for me but I can't just toss someone up in at top 5 when his last good fight was like 3/4 years ago. I can accept Gonzalez in top 10 and even top 5 but there is no way in hell does he belong at the number 1 spot.

Gonzalez hasn't got better wins or the type of dominance that Wladimir and Kovalev have over better opponents, this hype train for this guy is absurd. People want to jump on the Ring Magazine crap they print. Truly it should be Klit and Kovalev, then from there you can put their name in a hat and just grab cause it really does not matter after those two. Just looked at Ward's resume and man he went on a great run from 2009 until 2013.

The list is garbage. I would do: 1. Gonzalez 2. Kovalev 3. Wlad 4. Manny 5. Cotto 6. GGG 7. Rigo 8. Ward 9. Canelo 10. Bradley? Gonzalez hasn't got better wins or the type of dominance that Wladimir and Kovalev have over better opponents, this hype train for this guy is absurd. People want to jump on the Ring Magazine crap they print.

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Charlie-Murphy-Laughing-Chappelles-Show-Prince.gif :friday: that gif the only way to respond to this nonsense..

I'll say it every time, Golovkin ranking above Kovalev is absolutely absurd.

The list is garbage. I would do: 1. Gonzalez 2. Kovalev 3. Wlad 4. Manny 5. Cotto 6. GGG 7. Rigo 8. Ward 9. Canelo 10. Bradley?

You obviously do not know what a P4P list is for or how it works. I suggest you do some research. As for this list, I automatically put any list that has Ward on it into the trash bin. This list being trash is compounded by having Cotto and Canelo on it as you cannot consider a catchweight fighter in any P4P discussion. I can forgive a catchweight that is used for the proper reason, two fighters from different divisions meeting in the middle with no title on the line. But when you fight all of your fights at catchweights, your fights cannot be considered for P4P rankings. So it is really not even worth the time to discuss the merits of the rest of their rankings as the list is garbage right from the start. How do I obviously not know what a pound for pound list is or how it works? What research do I need to do? Sounds like you are trying to say the list should consist of who is the most exciting fighter. There is no fighter that has done what Klitschko has done. He has beaten nothing but number 1 and number 2 contenders consistently over the past decade. It might not be the style that YOU like, but he has done nothing but win. So i am curious as to what research i need to do in order to know who has been dominating a division for a decade.

1. Chocolatito 2. GGG 3. Pacquiao 4. Rigondeaux 5. Ward 6. Kovalev 7. Bradley 8. Klitschko 9. Cotto 10. Canelo GGG doesn't have a better resume than anyone on the list. How he is #2 is mindboggling. How is Kov and Wlad at 6 and 8 is downright preposterous. They both deserve to be higher. Does who you defeat count anymore toward p4p ranking?

Lmao.... Roman Gonzalez and GGG 1 and 2... Pacquiao and Rigo in top 5 still... Yet Wladimir barely in top 10 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CE65CFXUkAE4t9X.jpg I think Cotto Vs Canelo winner could stake a claim to a P4P 1 spot maybe, I mean If you rate Gonzalez or GGG at 1 I mean why not then? I like both but I'm not gonna say either belong at number 1. Exactly. Asinine list. Honestly, Klitschko is number one and then I can't see anyone claiming the 2 or 3 spots. Manny is definitely not top 5.

Pacquiao at 3? And that's after a loss against Bradley, a KO of the century frm Marquez and some old school, schooling type of school from Mayweather? lol Yeah, ok...

I have to admit the Klitschko defenders have me thinking I rated Gonzalez and Golovkin too high (see my sig) for going along with the consensus. Maybe others are guilty of the same. I think it should be based not only on quality of opposition but dominance against that opposition. I'll admit that Ward is suspect at this point, doing next to nothing recently. I thought Golovkin's trainer was being too harsh until Ward signed to fight a tomato can seemingly confirming the criticism. I don't think Bradley looks that good. Those welters not named Pac are top 20. And finally there might be a little Japanese champion that belongs up there but I don't follow them closely enough.

This how can you rate Wlad so low and fighters who lost and are inactive in front of him :lol1: yup exactly