I have a question, and I need some opinions

We wanted to again express thanks for to those who proved some imput on this. The fore mention documentary will be released in August on youtube.com, and it is an all out assault on the New York State Athletic Commission from 1960 to the present covering many of different issues such as the 1960's hearings to ban boxing there, Luis Resto & Billy Collins Jr., Arturo Gatti & Joey Gamache, Derrell Coley & Oscar De La Hoya, Paul Ingle & Junior Jones, Beethaven Scotland & George Kalid Jones, Erik Morales & Danny Garcia, and about 6 other fights ranging from 2009 - 2015 where brain damage actually occurred in New York.

Read your own link to the summary of testimony. Jack Hirsch testified under oath that Gamache was in good spirits in the locker room and saying he was going to knock Gatti out. Now you say Szoke's source that Gamache's locker room was like a funeral or a man waiting execution was ... Jack Hirsch. That, in a nutshell, is why I don't trust anything Mr. Black Helicopter (Szoke) claims. I think we're talking about a very obsessed and delusional guy. Just out of curiosity, what is the significance in your mind, of: 1) That Szoke was told Gatti worked out at a resort where Szoke played golf, and that he had never seen him there? Does he thnk he worked out on the golf course? Does he realize that fighters who train in such resorts usually only do so a few times leading up to the fight to generate interest/publicity, and that they train in a boxing gym most of the time? Is it a big deal if a manager tells someone that a guy works out at one place when he really works out somewhere else? Is that a conspiracy ... or, more likely, is it that the manager gets a vibe that this guy is a few bricks short of a load and doesn't want him around the camp, so he misdirects him? What does any of that have to do with the weigh-in, rehydrating, or anything else in the world? 2) What is the significance of the idea that Gamache's team misunderstood where the HBO people were at? Or that maybe the HBO people intended to be at once place, found it inadequate for one reason or another and set up shop across the street at the hotel? Again, what does that have to do with the weigh-in or rehydration. Oh, and one more thing ... 3) What's your relationship with Szoke? Are you, by chance, him? Szoke says: I believe this may have been the article, but something about it is different: http://www.secondsout.com/usa-boxing-news/usa-boxing-news/boxing-needs-mandatory-weight-testing It never mentions anything about Gamache's mood in the dressing room. Szoke said: it is odd. As odd as this interview with Johnny Bos that cuts out shortly after they start talking about Gatti. It is like somebody does not want something to come out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF2EMunmGqI During the ring walk of the fight, Jim Lampley says that Gamache's people advised him not to take this fight. In the interview above Bos is saying how he knew Gatti could not beat a good boxer like Ivan Robinson, and that he thought that they would win the fight. Well now which is it? you can not have an opinion that goes both ways. Whether people agree with me, or not is not the issue. I don't care if people think Gatti did not make weight, or they agree that Gamache was a lightweight, but since the statue of limitations has expired on anything criminal related to the weigh in, and the lawsuit was dismissed without any damages being awarded what exactly have these people done to make things better in boxing. They got the weigh in changed back to the day of the fight for one fight card, and in doing so they sent Paul Ingle home with brain damage. They contributed to getting the weigh ins changed to digital scales. Those digital scales are easier to mess with then the ones they were using in 2000. Here in Pennsylvania, we mandated that fighters could gain no more then 10 pounds of hydration meaning that the Commission is conducting two weigh ins. One the day before the fight, and a second weigh in the next day when the fighters come into the building. Mr. Lewiston did next to nothing besides nearly get Paul Ingle killed, and want MONEY because that is what the issue was Money. I question whether, or not Gamache even has the medical damages he claims to have had occur as a result of this fight, and weigh in. Where were his doctors at the trial? I always admired a true warrior like Arturo Gatti whom put on some of the most exciting fights of the late 90's, and early 2000's, but HELLO if somebody makes weight at the Manhatten Athletic Club, then how on earth could they be that far off for the real thing at Madison Square Garden. Pardon my French, but something is very f**king wrong here. Team Gatti can call me OCD all they want because at the end of the day I am going to call them a bunch of slackers that mess things up.

Read your own link to the summary of testimony. Jack Hirsch testified under oath that Gamache was in good spirits in the locker room and saying he was going to knock Gatti out. Now you say Szoke's source that Gamache's locker room was like a funeral or a man waiting execution was ... Jack Hirsch. That, in a nutshell, is why I don't trust anything Mr. Black Helicopter (Szoke) claims. I think we're talking about a very obsessed and delusional guy. Just out of curiosity, what is the significance in your mind, of: 1) That Szoke was told Gatti worked out at a resort where Szoke played golf, and that he had never seen him there? Does he thnk he worked out on the golf course? Does he realize that fighters who train in such resorts usually only do so a few times leading up to the fight to generate interest/publicity, and that they train in a boxing gym most of the time? Is it a big deal if a manager tells someone that a guy works out at one place when he really works out somewhere else? Is that a conspiracy ... or, more likely, is it that the manager gets a vibe that this guy is a few bricks short of a load and doesn't want him around the camp, so he misdirects him? What does any of that have to do with the weigh-in, rehydrating, or anything else in the world? SZOKE SAYS: " WHEN I WROTE TO THESE PEOPLE, I ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE THAT THEY SAW MY LETTER, LOOKED AT MY NAME, AND THOUGHT THAT I WAS AFFILIATED WITH GAMACHE. THIS PIECE OF INFORMATION IS SIGNIFICANT IN THE SENSE THAT IF I MEET WITH THEM I WOULD HAVE HANDED THEM A VIDEO TAPE RIGHT THERE, SAID MY PEACE, AND BEEN ON MY WAY. WE WOULD NOT EVEN BE TALKING ABOUT THIS NOW. THEY COULD HAVE TAKEN A COPY OF THIS TAPE, AND RESOLVED THERE COMPLAINT WITH THE NEW YORK STATE ATHLETIC COMMISSION, OR CAME BACK AT THEM WITH ONE OF THEIR OWN. NONE OF THAT EVER HAPPENED. THE GENERAL THOUGHT WAS AM I ABOUT TO TURN OVER A LEAF HERE THAT I DON'T WANT TO. WHY WOULD SOMEONE DO THAT? WHY WOULD ANYONE TELL SOMEONE SOMETHING THAT IS TOTALLY FALSE? IF THEY HAD QUESTIONS THEY COULD HAVE ASKED. WHOM EVER I SPOKE WITH ON THE PHONE, I AM NOT EVEN SURE THAT IS WAS GATTI'S MANAGER, OR SOMEONE ELSE. I WAS SO CERTAIN THEY THOUGHT MY INTENTIONS WERE SOMETHING ELSE THAT I WENT AS FAR AS TO SEND THEM A RETURN LETTER OF WHERE I GOT THE PICTURES, ADDRESS, AND I EVEN THANKED THEM FOR IT. " AS FOR GAMACHE'S MOOD IN THE LOCKER ROOM, I WILL TRY TO FIND IT. MOST PLACES DO NOT HAVE THE BANDWIDTH TO MAINTAIN ARCHIEVES FROM 2000, BUT AGAIN I WILL TRY BECAUSE I AM THE BAD GUY, AND MISQUOTED THE WRONG NAME." 2) What is the significance of the idea that Gamache's team misunderstood where the HBO people were at? Or that maybe the HBO people intended to be at once place, found it inadequate for one reason or another and set up shop across the street at the hotel? Again, what does that have to do with the weigh-in or rehydration. Oh, and one more thing ... " GEEZ I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF TEAM JOE COMING TO THE GARDEN EARLY, AND CHECKING THEIR WEIGHT MULTIPLE TIMES ON A SCALE THAT HAS BEEN CALIBRATED AT LEAST TWICE WHILE BOB DUFFY WHO WAS SO LATE THAT HE WAS ALREADY THERE. MAYBE TO MAKE SURE THE SCALE DOES NOT REGISTER THEM AS A LIGHTWEIGHT. " TONY RUSSO, AND THESE PEOPLE WERE FRIENDS. THE SCANDAL THAT INSUED WAS NOT ABOUT HOW MUCH WEIGHT GATTI PUT ON AFTER THE FACT, OR EVEN THE FACT THAT THE SCALE NEVER BALANCED. THE SCALE NEVER WAS SUPPOSE TO BALANCE. IT WAS ABOUT MONEY PLAIN, AND SIMPLE. GAMACHE PROMISED 500 GRAND TO HIS EX WIFE, WAS PROMISING MONEY TO HIS MANAGER. WHO KNOWS WHO ELSE WAS GOING TO SEE KICKBACKS FROM THIS THING, AND THAT IS THE ISSUE. THEY FIRED TONY RUSSO, AND BLACKLISTED JOE'S NO GOOD PIECE OF $*** MANAGER. MAYBE SOMEONE ELSE ALREADY KNEW FOR ALL I KNOW. IF SOMEONE IS STRUGGLING TO MAKE THE WEIGHT THEY ARE GOING TO PUT MORE WEIGHT ON THEN WHAT THIS JOKER DID. THE NEXT MONTH WHEN GATTI SHOWS UP TO CHECK HIS WEIGHT EARLY THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED. THIS MOTHER ****** WAS A LIGHTWEIGHT WHEN THAT SCALE SAID HE WAS 140 1/4, AND NO ONE WILL CHANGE MY MIND. IF GATTI HIMSELF CAME BACK FROM HIS GRAVE TO TELL ME HE DIDN'T MAKE WEIGHT, I WOULD MERELY LAUGH, AND SAY YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU WEIGHED AT THE GARDEN. " http://nypost.com/2000/04/30/scales-of-justice-weigh-down-gatti/ 3) What's your relationship with Szoke? Are you, by chance, him? " JUST WHO ARE YOU TALKING TO, AND WHY ARE THEY TAKING CHEAP SHOTS AT ME. THERE WERE 7 BADGES IN MY FAMILY. 2 OF THEM ARE BURIED. THERE ARE 5 FORMER UNITED STATES MILITARY SERVICEMEN. 1 RETIRED US SECRET SERVICE AGENT. I DO NOT HAVE A CRIMINAL RECORD. MAYBE THAT WAS THE PROBLEM. I MIGHT NOT BE SNOW WHITE, BUT I AM NOT SAM GIANCANA EITHER. WHY WOULD ANYONE CARRY ON 15 YEARS ABOUT SOMETHING IF THEY THOUGHT SOMETHING WAS NOT WRONG? GATTI IS DEAD FOR 6 YEARS. GATTI'S ASSOCIATES HAVE GOT HALF OF BRAZIL KILLING HIM OVER 40 THOUSAND DOLLARS, AND A ROLEX WATCH. THE VERY SAME ASSOCIATES THAT WILL SAY I KNEW ARTURO GATTI. HE WOULD NEVER KILL HIMSELF IN ONE SENTENCE, THEN DOWN PLAY SUICIDE ATTEMPTS, DEPRESSION, ALCOHOLISM, AND DRUG USE IN THE NEXT. I THINK THAT IT WAS A NICE THING THAT GATTI'S MANAGEMENT HIRED AN INVESTIGATOR, BUT THEY WILL NEVER FIND OUT THE INFORMATION THEY ARE LOOKING FOR. I HAVE 21 YEARS EXPERIENCE OF SEEING IT GET NO WHERE BEFORE. THE LIGHTWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD PULLED A FAST ONE, AND EVERYONE BOUGHT IT. I DON'T NEED ANYONE'S PERMISSION TO SPEAK MY MIND, STATE MY OPINION, PROVIDE FACTS, OR DETAILS. YOU HAVE BADGERED ME WITH COMPLAINTS, AND NONSENSE. INSTEAD OF ANSWERING SIMPLY YES, OR NO TO THE QUESTION, AND I DO NOT NEED YOU TO TELL ME BECAUSE I ALREADY KNOW. I AM ENTITLED TO TELL MY STORY WHETHER OR NOT ANYBODY LIKES IT. WHAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP THAT I HAVE WITH ANOTHER PARTY IS NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS, AND I AM NOT GOING TO LOSE MUCH SLEEP TONIGHT WONDERING WHAT ANYONE THINKS ABOUT IT. THERE ARE NOW 5 BADGES IN THE FAMILY. HOWEVER, THOSE BADGES ARE NOT IN NEW YORK CITY, AND UNLIKE MURDER, THE STATUE OF LIMITATIONS ON ANYTHING CRIMINAL IN THE MATTER EXPIRED 5 YEARS AT THE POINT OF THE LAST ACT IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR. STILL NO ONE WANTS TO SAY ANYTHING WHICH IS NICE, NEVERTHELESS, IF YOU HAVE SOMEHING TO SAY, THEN SAY IT. IT IS A FREE COUNTRY. PLEASE COME, AND TELL ME HOW WRONG I AM AGAIN, AND I WILL TRACK DOWN 20 FACTS THAT SAYS NO YOUR WRONG. THE PEOPLE IN NEW JERSEY ARE PROBABLY A LOT LIKE THE PEOPLE IN MAINE. NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF SISSY'S. http://www.cbc.ca/sports/gamache-settles-for-2-million-1.264341 YEAH I AM SEEING BLACK HELICOPTER, BUT I AM NOT THE ONE THAT NEEDED ADVANCE EXPENSES FOR ANYTHING IN LIFE BACK IN 1999. WALLY MATTHEWS OF THE DAILY NEWS SAID THAT HE TALKED WITH RUSSO AFTER HE LEFT THE COMMISSION LATER IN 2000. RUSSO SAID THAT HE JUST WANTED TO GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE BECAUSE OF THE VERDICT HANDED DOWN IN THE AMADOU DIALLO TRIAL, AND THAT HE FEARED RIOTS BECAUSE THE NORMAL GARDEN SECURITY WAS NOT THERE THAT AFTERNOON. AGAIN I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TONY RUSSO IS TALKING ABOUT. THE GARDEN WAS FULL OF NEW YORK CITY COPS. IF ANYONE STARTED A RIOT DOWN AT THE GARDEN THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN SUBDUED QUICKLY. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Amadou_Diallo IF ANYONE IS SEEING BLACK HELICOPTERS IT IS GATTI'S MANIPULATIVE, AND OVERPROTECTIVE FORMER MANAGEMENT WHOM SEEMS TO THINK THAT THEY DON'T EVER DO ANYTHING WRONG. I AM NOT GOING TO GET FORTUNE, AND FAME OUT OF TELLING THIS STORY. IF I WANTED TO DO SOMETHING IN BOXING, THEN LARRY HOLMES DOES NOT LIVE TO FAR AWAY. CERTAINLY LARRY WOULD KNOW THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO GET ME TO. I AM GOING TO MAKE A DOCUMENTARY WITH THESE PEOPLE DEPENDING ON WHAT I HEAR OUT OF READING. THAT IS OUR RELATIONSHIP. THEN WITH ALL HOPES DUMB DUM WILL CREATE ANOTHER ACT IN IN THE PROCESS, AND COME AFTER ME WHICH IS WHEN I AM GOING TO BURY HIM, SO GET YOUR BULLET PROOF VEST READY. IN THE MEANTIME MAYBE YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WHO YOU ARE TALKING TO." " ONE MORE THING. I HAVE A FOOTBALL WEEKEND PLANNED IN MY HOMETOWN, AND IN THE LEHIGH VALLEY WITH ANDRE REED, SO PLEASE DON'T EXPECT ANYMORE ANSWERS UNTIL TUESDAY AT LEAST "

Read your own link to the summary of testimony. Jack Hirsch testified under oath that Gamache was in good spirits in the locker room and saying he was going to knock Gatti out. Now you say Szoke's source that Gamache's locker room was like a funeral or a man waiting execution was ... Jack Hirsch. That, in a nutshell, is why I don't trust anything Mr. Black Helicopter (Szoke) claims. I think we're talking about a very obsessed and delusional guy. Just out of curiosity, what is the significance in your mind, of: 1) That Szoke was told Gatti worked out at a resort where Szoke played golf, and that he had never seen him there? Does he thnk he worked out on the golf course? Does he realize that fighters who train in such resorts usually only do so a few times leading up to the fight to generate interest/publicity, and that they train in a boxing gym most of the time? Is it a big deal if a manager tells someone that a guy works out at one place when he really works out somewhere else? Is that a conspiracy ... or, more likely, is it that the manager gets a vibe that this guy is a few bricks short of a load and doesn't want him around the camp, so he misdirects him? What does any of that have to do with the weigh-in, rehydrating, or anything else in the world? Szoke said he was well aware that the Fernwood had an athletic compound separate from the resort. He said without an invite he would never go. Szoke believes he would have heard something about him being there in on of the fight scribes, or local media. Szoke says he never for one minute thought he was there. It is a detail in his story to which now I have to ask him more about. I also now have to tap down another detail in Gamache's locker room. However, this is being helpful to a certain degree. I'll save the rest for below. 2) What is the significance of the idea that Gamache's team misunderstood where the HBO people were at? Or that maybe the HBO people intended to be at once place, found it inadequate for one reason or another and set up shop across the street at the hotel? Again, what does that have to do with the weigh-in or rehydration. Oh, and one more thing ... Another detail that I will now have to look into. 3) What's your relationship with Szoke? Are you, by chance, him? Obsessed? Obsessed with what? Can you be more specific? To me this guy seems utterly disappointed. Disappointed in that he was looking for some kind of BS Justice like Gamache was some sort of hardened criminal or something, and that the media got this grossly wrong, but he could have been obsessed with boxing because he seems to know a fair amount of detail about boxing. I would not say he is a few bricks short. More like a freaking nerdo. The problem that I have here is that this Szoke lad, and his pals noticed these things, but nobody else did. I can tell you that I am not this lad because I do not think that you could pay him to watch boxing anymore let alone come here. Maybe that is a bit of a stretch mate. Maybe you could pay him. Rest assured, I am not him, and we are not friends. He is probably tuned into election results right now that would be my guess. I am listening to what he has to say, and granted some of it does sound out there. Sometimes people die mate. Happens all the time, but I am not at that point yet, and I doubt that I ever get there. Do you have something against these guys Harper, Rosario, Tallon, and Szoke that you keep asking all these questions. Do you think think the thought has not crossed my mind that these guys were nothing more then fans that could not accept truth for what was in front of there face, and did not have both ores in the water. It has, and if anything were to ever materialized between me, and him on film, then I am going to need a lot more then what I have to look at. Arturo Gatti's own flesh, and blood brother told CBS he thought that his brother killed himself. I am going to have to have something a lot more convincing to go on. I think the question is why do you care so much about all these details being in order, and why are you asking these kinds of questions in the first place. Maybe you should ask the New York State Athletic Commission about these lads, maybe you should ask them about Hugo Pinta, there attorney general's office, and why they never contacted them, then perhaps we can get to how 3 people that have ample sleep are rendered unconscious while driving. Maybe instead of badgering me about this Szoke fella, and his friends you can just contact him yourself. Like I said. He is not a hard man to find. I do see your point of view in the sense that what exactly was he going to get out of all this. If I were in his shoes coming forth with all this information, and trying to disprove Gamache seems like it is nothing more then a hassle. I must reckon it could have been a multi thousand dollar legal hassle. Rest assured the details that I have are probably going to end around 2004.

Depends..is that 4Lbs of iv hydrating? Eat some red meat & rice should be able to get at least 8Lbs. I also think you can rehydrate close to your natural weight whatever it may be & if that's all they can hydrate (19 losing & gaining only about 5) then that athlete should not playing with the their weight. J.Razor, That is in fact what I am looking at, and I am at the point where I am kind of trying to come back with things in order here because I had complaints about the story jumping around. Gamache himself said he struggled to make weight. Said himself the last pound, or two was absolutely killer. I am thinking to myself how in thee hell anyone struggles to make it down to 140 1/4 pounds, then only rehydrates themself 4 3/4 pounds. If you are struggling to get down to the contract weight limit, then certainly you are going to put on more then what Joey Gamache did. I am on board with this Szoke fellow to the point that he says " Everyone saw what happened at the scales. Everyone saw the size difference the next night. Everyone saw a much larger Arturo Gatti, and wanted to blame him for everything without even bothering to look at Joey Gamache, and if there was another reason why he looked so small, and those scales never balanced. ". In short right now we agree that Gamache should have added more weight then 4 3/4 pounds struggling to come down to 140 1/4 from 158. However, there is more to the story.

Do you see No. 1, where you say that Szoke tells us what went on in the dressing room? Do you see No. 2, where you tell us that (a) Szoke was not in the dressing room, (b) not at the fight, (c) actually in another state and (d) his friends were also not in the dressing room? Now please explain to me how the f*** he can know what went on in the dressing room where neither he nor his friend were? That's as absurd as me telling you what happened in Ford Theater on the night of the Lincoln assassination. So you, perhaps, can see where I question a lot of what he says if he's telling you what happened at a place and time where neither he nor his friends were. As for No. 3, the very court summary of testimony which you linked has a section on a writer who was writing a story on Gamache, who had been with him in training camp and who was in the locker room. He testified under oath that Gamache was in good spirits and confident on the night of the fight and that he was going to knock Gatti out. Szoke says his information from what was going on in the dressing room is from Jack Hirsch of Peakness Boxing News, and Thomas Hauser whom wrote a book about Muhammad Ali. Forget everything you have read, and just read the next post. Read your own link to the summary of testimony. Jack Hirsch testified under oath that Gamache was in good spirits in the locker room and saying he was going to knock Gatti out. Now you say Szoke's source that Gamache's locker room was like a funeral or a man waiting execution was ... Jack Hirsch. That, in a nutshell, is why I don't trust anything Mr. Black Helicopter (Szoke) claims. I think we're talking about a very obsessed and delusional guy. Just out of curiosity, what is the significance in your mind, of: 1) That Szoke was told Gatti worked out at a resort where Szoke played golf, and that he had never seen him there? Does he thnk he worked out on the golf course? Does he realize that fighters who train in such resorts usually only do so a few times leading up to the fight to generate interest/publicity, and that they train in a boxing gym most of the time? Is it a big deal if a manager tells someone that a guy works out at one place when he really works out somewhere else? Is that a conspiracy ... or, more likely, is it that the manager gets a vibe that this guy is a few bricks short of a load and doesn't want him around the camp, so he misdirects him? What does any of that have to do with the weigh-in, rehydrating, or anything else in the world? 2) What is the significance of the idea that Gamache's team misunderstood where the HBO people were at? Or that maybe the HBO people intended to be at once place, found it inadequate for one reason or another and set up shop across the street at the hotel? Again, what does that have to do with the weigh-in or rehydration. Oh, and one more thing ... 3) What's your relationship with Szoke? Are you, by chance, him?

I do not know about youtube.com , or what ever is going on there. Who is the Illuminati? This is the additional information that I have: Richard Szoke contends that Joey Gamache had invested his life savings into building a restaurant in his native Maine. A bank in Maine approved a loan combined with Gamache's savings for that restaurant. For some reason, or another the Bank pulled the loan on Gamache in which he was left near bankrupt, and facing a divorce. Szoke claims that Joey Gamache's manager Johnny Bos, and the executive director of the New York State Athelic Commission Anthony Russo were friends, and had dealings together over the career of Tracy Harris Patterson whom Arturo Gatti beat to become famous. Szoke says that the scale was tampered with to weigh the fighters heavier then they actually were, and that when Gamache got onto the scale, and it read 140 1/4 pounds that he was actually a lightweight. Szoke contends Gamache did this because he was broke as a joke,and even needed advance training expenses for the fight. Szoke believes Gamache knew that Gatti would put on a significant amount of weight following the weigh in, and what happened at the scale was all preorchestrated for a multi million dollar lawsuit when he moved to New York, and asked Lou DiBella for the Gatti fight. Szoke also contends that the Mafia took a shot at him, and they are the ones responsible for killing Michael Coyle, Arturo Gatti, Edwin Harper, and Jack Rosario. Szoke says he waited until all the people on top of the New York State Athletic Commission either resigned, were fired, or there terms expired before sending them any evidence in 2005. Szoke claims that his attempts to contact Gatti directly failed. After sending evidence to the Commission, Attorney Generals office, and the FBI in Newark in 2005, Szoke said that he thinks all anyone was interested in was making the whole thing go away, and that his footage would have given both Arturo Gatti, and Paul Ingle retalliation lawsuits against the New York State Athletic Commission, and others. Szoke further said, The New York State Athletic Commission banned, or blacklisted Joey Gamache's manager Johnny Bos, but he was not sure if it was before, or he after speaking to their legal department headed by a guy named Hugo Pinta, and sending them evidence. I appreciate all, and any replies, but I still really have not gotten a straight answer yes, or no answer on the actual question as to whether Gamache could have sweat down from around 160 to make 141, and then only rehydrated a mere 4 3/4 pounds. I believe Gamache could sweat it down, but it is the rehydration number that I am looking at that puts me in agreement that Gamache had to be a lightweight. I think everyone looked at Gatti's size, and how he pummeled Gamache into retirement that no one was really looking at any of Gamache's numbers. I am not sure why Gamache is weighing himself 3 times after his physical, and before the weigh in, and another two times before getting into the ring Gamache himself said the last couple of pounds were a killer. A gallon of water weighs 7 Lbs, and the guy had to eat something leading into the fight 29 - 30 hours later. The only thing else that I could get from Szoke is that he thought his car was rigged to kill him with carbon monoxide poisoning through his cars heating system, and that 14 days earlier he had $2000 dollars worth of work done which included a new battery, tires, spark plugs, an antifreeze flush, front end ailigment, brakes, rotors, and a state inspection. Nothing was wrong his exhaust, or heating system. Szoke is convinced the mafia was, and maybe still is trying to kill him. Depends..is that 4Lbs of iv hydrating? Eat some red meat & rice should be able to get at least 8Lbs. I also think you can rehydrate close to your natural weight whatever it may be & if that's all they can hydrate (19 losing & gaining only about 5) then that athlete should not playing with the their weight.

I still don't understand -- did you not just say (1) Szoke did not attend the fight because there was a storm coming, (2) Szoke could not get into the dressing room of a fight that he did not attend, and (3) he claims Gamache weighed himself twice in the dressing room, etc. -- but according to both of the above, he wasn't there. You say he seems like a nice guy. To me, he sounds like a guy who sees black helicopters. A lot of his claims (or your claims of what he claims) don't add up ... as pointed out above, or the claim that Gatti was supposed to testify in the trial two days after he died (July 11, 2009) but the trial happened in 2010 (verdict in April). Can you or Szoke substantiate the idea that he was supposed to testify two days later, or is that just what this guy says? For that matter, is he the only source for the claim that these now-dead firefighters were actually at the weigh-in? Were they supposed to be deposed in the lawsuit, or did they die before it was filed? Without a lot more answers, I have to say that I suspect this guy's wearing some tinfoil. If the mob wanted him dead, they wouldn't stop at a failed attempt to supposedly sabotage his car -- he'd be killed in a "burgulary attempt" or "mugging" or something. If he really wants answers, he should start by posting his weigh-in video somewhere (Facebook or whatever) and go public with his claims. CONTINUING ON, ( In chronilogical order ) : So it is now March of 2000. 4 fight fans ( the 4 jackoffs ) are reading internet boxing columns, and scratching their heads. Accounts of what happened at the weigh in back in February of 2000 do not match exactly what they remember happening. The media claims Arturo Gatti violently got on, and right off the scale at the Garden. Other outlets say that both De La Hoya, and Gatti got on, and off the scale quickly, and that protests were ignored. Szoke claims Gatti was on that scale longer then when they weighed him for a fight with Carlos Baldomir, and that the media claims of Gatti getting on, and off the scale at the garden were not true. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2FmkpXIVQ4 Joey Gamache has left the hospital. Joey along with his manager are threating a lawsuit upon regulations based off the HBO unofficial weigh in, and claiming Gatti has not made weight. Gamache, and his manager further claim that they have evidence that team Gatti gave the commission advanced notice that they could not reach the target weight, and that the commission made sure the fight went ahead as planned anyways, however, this information was never presented in court. http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/jb22900.htm http://nypost.com/2000/02/28/no-weigh-this-should-happen/ http://www.nytimes.com/2000/03/17/sports/boxing-gamache-sees-defeat-and-courtroom-revenge.html Meanwhile Oscar De La Hoya, and Arturo Gatti claim that they made weight. http://www.nytimes.com/2000/03/09/sports/boxing-gatti-s-manager-and-promoter-say-he-made-his-weight.html The 4 fight fans don't know what to make of what is being said, but seeming they are the only 4 people on the planet earth defending team Gatti. These 4 fight fans in their quest to get a picture, and an autograph are certain they video recorded Tony Russo, and another man whom they could not identify tampering with the calibrations on the scale after Joey Gamache had first weighed 137 pounds. One of these 4 fight fans, Richard Szoke, writes a letter to Arturo Gatti's management, and contacts a sports memorablia agent that has workings with Gatti seeking to meet Arturo Gatti, and asking for autographs. Szoke said someone claiming to be Arturo Gatti's manager called him telling him that Gatti trained, at the Fernwood in the pocono mountains of Pennsylvania. Szoke said he believed otherwise. Szoke said he believed Gatti trained in Florida. Szoke said he went to the Fernwood all the time to play golf, and snowtube. Szoke said he never seen them at the resort, and never heard of him being at the athletic compound. Szoke said he never went to the athletic compound in Bushkill, PA, and would not have gone without an invite. Szoke said he never got together with Gatti, or anyone from his management but that he along with his friends, and some other people that he worked with got their autographs back in the mail from their office, and the sports memorabilia dealer. Szoke said this prompted he, and his freinds to purchase, and look at dozens of video tapes of Gatti, and Gamache over the course of the next 9 to 10 months. Szoke said the only thing that he got out of watching all those tapes is that Gatti's second fight with Ivan Robinson was not anywhere near as close as it looked live in Atlantic City, and that Gamache Seemingly built this record of 55 wins fighting mostly opponents with a losing record. Szoke said Gamache had no business even getting into the same ring as Orzubek Nazarov, Julio Caesar Chavez, and Arturo Gatti. Szoke Believes that on that night in the Garden if Gamache had fought someone in shape like Kostya Tsyzu that Gamache would have went to his grave. The New York Post released details of an investigation into the New York State Athletic Commission being a joke, and funding the New York State GOP. This here is an example. http://nypost.com/2000/04/01/states-top-boxing-regulator-down-for-count/ Claims were made that there were as many as 16 - 20 different commissioners a night with their salaries getting kicked back to the state GOP. There were claims that there were commissioners that were ghost names. Tony Russo came under heavy fire, and they were on the brink of firing him. Russo under pressure, and taking heat from the Gamache camp, temporarily had the weigh in's changed from the day before the fight back to the day of the fight about a week, and a half before Gatti's next fight in New York which led to Russo either quitting, or being fired. http://www.nytimes.com/2000/04/20/sports/boxing-gatti-triggers-a-return-to-same-day-weigh-ins.html

Let me draw this out in crayon so that all the special needs folks can understand it, and simplify this so anyone else can understand it. A fight is agreed upon between Joey Gamache, and Arturo Gatti. Joey Gamache enters a training camp at 158 pounds to which the last 2 pounds are extremely difficult to shed. Arturo Gatti enters his camp at 170 pounds. http://vertumnus.courts.state.ny.us/claims/html/2010-036-700.html Its Friday afternoon February 25th, 2000. Johnny Bos ( The former manager of Joey Gamache ) says: " I weighed Joey up at the commission office at the Physical. Joey weighed 140 1/4, so I thought we were in good shape for the real thing down at the Garden " Down at the garden three hours later before Arturo Gatti's entourage is present, Joey Gamache, and his handlers show up expecting to talk with HBO. HBO is not there, but they are at the Southgate Hotel across the street. While at the Garden the Gamache entourage checks their weight twice on the official garden scale which has now been calibrated twice. Gamache weighs 137. After having the scale calibrated again Gamache now again weighs 140 1/4. - This is all in the court deposition. These are the words of Joey Gamache, and Johnny Bos. These words are located in the court deposition, and are that of Johnny Bos, and Joey Gamache. One hour later after going across the street to the Southgate Hote for the HBO fighter meetings, everyone comes back for the official weigh in. Derrell Coley weighs 143 1/2 pounds grossly less then the contract weight of 147 pounds. This number is in the April edition of Ring Magazine. Just prior to this, Oscar De La Hoya appears to miss weight, but his weight is officially called at 147, but there is no re weighing. Again this number is in Ring Magazine. Arturo Gatti gets on the scale, and the scale does not balance. The commission mistakenly has the scale set for 140 pounds, and not 141. This information is in the court deposition. The commission officially calls Gatti's weight at 141 pounds, but the needle does not balance like at the Oscar De Hoya weigh in. Joey Gamache gets on the scale, and again still weighs 140 1/4 pounds. Again despite protests there is no re weighing. See the court Deposition. Derrell Coley's trainer / manager Leonard Langley says " see it happened again ". Again this is all in Ring Magazine April 2000 edition. Now no one at this point in time is deceased, and the fight is yet to even take place. No one gives two craps about a firefighter in the training academy with a video camera whom got his three friends into the weigh in through another friend in the city Police Department. No gives two craps that this fire fighter becomes a probationary officer for fire company 10 of the New York City Fire Department, and dies because the date is February 25th, 2000, not 09/11/2001. Joey Gamache instead of asking for more money, or backing out of the fight, and filing a breech of lawsuit monday morning says " I am joey Gamache, I am a warrior, I will win the fight anyways ". See the court deposition. The next night at the at the Garden the fight card goes ahead despite controversy. The date is now Saturday February 26th, 2000. It is snowing outside the arena. In Arturo Gatti's dressing room, HBO unofficially weighs Arturo Gatti at 161 pounds on a bathroom scale. See the court deposition. We do not know if this weight is with clothing, or if this weight is naked. In the other dressing room, Joey Gamache is weighed by HBO at 145 pounds. See the court deposition. The mood in Joey Gamache dressing room is that of a man being sent out to his execution. We know this because people like Thomas Hauser, and Jack Hirsch were there, and told us this. Joey Gamache again weighs himself at 147 pounds, and 9 ounce after having all his boxing gear on, and being warmed up. We don't know if this is HBO's scale, or if this is on a personal scale. We know this number because again people like Jack Hirsch, and Thomas Hauser told us. The official HBO weigh in numbers are in the court deposition. Joey Gamache, and Arturo Gatti go to the ring. Joey Gamache sees Gatti, is alarmed, and thinks that he is fighting Joe Gatti. Again this is in the court deposition. Joey Gamache is smashed into retirement in less then 5 minutes. Joey Gamache is injured in the bout, and after about 10 minutes, Gamache recouperates from the knock out. Gamache refuses medical attention, and demands to walk out of the ring. Gamache is taken to the hospital. A public outcry is launched against Arturo Gatti, and the New York State Athletic Commission. No one really cares that 4 fight fans looking to get a picture, and an autograph were at the weigh in. No one really cares that 3 of these fight fans bought tickets, and the other one went home to play with himself because a snow storm was forecasted. In the aftermath of this Controversy, Gamache, and his handlers announce their intentions to file legal action. The four jackoffs are looking at a videotape they took at the weigh in, and believe that the official garden scale was tampered with. They are also looking at the numbers of Joey Gamache pre weigh in, weigh in, and the night of the fight. These 4 fight fans are raising their eyebrows calling BS. They believe that when Gamache's weight was called officially at 140 1/4 pounds that Gamache was actually a lightweight, and the scale was tampered with. Forget that any video footage exists here we are purely looking at the numbers. Joey Gamache said he knew that Arturo Gatti put on Significant Weight Between the weigh in and the fight. Joey Gamache said so in his court deposition. In the four hours between his physical, and the official weigh, How does Joey Gamache not shed, or gain a single ounce walking around between the Commission Office, The Garden, and the Hotel? I can not maintain my weight doing walking, and not intaking anything. How does Joey Gamache maintain a weight of 140 1/4 during this time period which includes walking around in the cold of February, and possibly one trip to the bathroom? If Joey Gamache is 140 1/4 pounds as he claims, then why would someone only rehydrate themself 4 3/4 pounds if they know full well that there opponent is going to blow up big? Could Joey Gamache actually have been a lightweight? The four jackoffs believe that Gamache would have put on more then 4 3/4 pounds if he was in fact 140 1/4. The 4 jackoffs point to the weigh of 137 before the scales were recalibrated, or as they claim tampered with, and say if Gamache rehydrated from 137 to 145 pounds, then 8 pounds of rehydration is more believeable for a man who was fighting at welterweight catch weight in his previous fight, then 4 3/4. The fact that 3 of the four jackoffs, a boxer, an attorney, a judge, and a commissioner die, and another jackoff is injured is irrelevant at this point, and at the point of present day 2015. Any additional details significant, or not do not matter. saintpat, we may never know the answers to these questions which makes getting to the next step impossible. Now do you understand the questions on the table. Does that sound a little more reasonable? To get to the next step I got to reasonably be able to say okay may be this guy was a lightweight. Any detail after this is irrelavent. So basically the question is do you think Gamache could have been a lightweight at the scale? Do you think he could only reasonably rehydrate himself 4 3/4 pounds?

Do you see No. 1, where you say that Szoke tells us what went on in the dressing room? Do you see No. 2, where you tell us that (a) Szoke was not in the dressing room, (b) not at the fight, (c) actually in another state and (d) his friends were also not in the dressing room? Now please explain to me how the f*** he can know what went on in the dressing room where neither he nor his friend were? That's as absurd as me telling you what happened in Ford Theater on the night of the Lincoln assassination. So you, perhaps, can see where I question a lot of what he says if he's telling you what happened at a place and time where neither he nor his friends were. As for No. 3, the very court summary of testimony which you linked has a section on a writer who was writing a story on Gamache, who had been with him in training camp and who was in the locker room. He testified under oath that Gamache was in good spirits and confident on the night of the fight and that he was going to knock Gatti out. Szoke says his information from what was going on in the dressing room is from Jack Hirsch of Peakness Boxing News, and Thomas Hauser whom wrote a book about Muhammad Ali. Forget everything you have read, and just read the next post.

1. Szoke said Gamache weighed himself twice in the dressing room. 2. Szoke said he did not stay with his friends for the fight the next night, and that a snow storm was coming, so he went home to Pennsylvania. Szoke said they did not have any access to the dressing rooms for the fight. 3. Szoke said the that he was told from someone that was inside Gamache's dressing room that the mood of Gamache, and his handlers in the dressing room was that of a man whom was terminally ill on life support, and going to his grave. I numbered these to make my points clearer. Otherwise the quotes are directly from a single one of your posts and unedited. Do you see No. 1, where you say that Szoke tells us what went on in the dressing room? Do you see No. 2, where you tell us that (a) Szoke was not in the dressing room, (b) not at the fight, (c) actually in another state and (d) his friends were also not in the dressing room? Now please explain to me how the f*** he can know what went on in the dressing room where neither he nor his friend were? That's as absurd as me telling you what happened in Ford Theater on the night of the Lincoln assassination. So you, perhaps, can see where I question a lot of what he says if he's telling you what happened at a place and time where neither he nor his friends were. As for No. 3, the very court summary of testimony which you linked has a section on a writer who was writing a story on Gamache, who had been with him in training camp and who was in the locker room. He testified under oath that Gamache was in good spirits and confident on the night of the fight and that he was going to knock Gatti out. I question Szoke because I think he's off his rocker and, very obviously, obsessed with this topic. As to why I don't contact the state of New York to try to ask the governor or someone else (who wasn't there) about what happened in a locker room or weigh-in almost 20 years ago ... I have a lot of other things that are way more important to me. This is an internet discussion. You say all you care about is how much someone could, would or might rehydrate -- as if your only interest in this is a thirst for scientific knowledge -- those questions have been answered. It was you, not me, who broke Szoke into this and his bizarre theories about multiple murders to cover up some nefarious weigh-in conspiracy. All I did was ask questions about things you introduced into the thread. But, again, and finally, I'm moving on. Enjoy the helicotpers. EDIT: I haven't told you how to post a gif or a photo or a video because I don't know how. Contact the mods. There's probably a section or thread somewhere where you can do that. You can, surely, post those things on Facebook or somewhere else and link them. If all Szoke wants is to have his story heard, he can post it on Facebook and he can post the video there and you can link them.

No, I really do not follow. Which is what I've been saying. I have no desire to contact the state of New York. I don't know why you think I would. Why are you afraid that they are going to tell you something you don't want to hear? I keep asking what seem like basic questions and you throw out 13,000-word diatribes that make no sense to me. You post what happened in the locker room (with the fight-night weigh-in) and say "Szoke says' this is what happened ... then proceed to say he wasn't even there. Szoke did not attend the fight on Saturday February 26th at Madison Square Garden. Szoke attended the weigh in at Madison Square Garden on Friday February 25th. Szoke's three friends attended both the fight, and the weigh in which took place on 2 separate days. They were from New York. Szoke is from Pennsylvania. I could not have made it any clearer then that They've concluded what happened in plane crashes where pieces the size of postage stamps are collected over literally hundreds of acres. I think competent investigators have a decent chance of figuring out what caused a car crash if foul play is suspected. Yeah they sent the Pennsylvania State Police not the top forensic teams in the world. They could not figure it out. http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/bethlehem/index.ssf/2009/01/update_33yearold_palmerton_man.html Just reach out to your guy and ask him to post his video. Then we call can see it. I don't think Thomas Hauser and others are wearing tinfoil because I haven't seen anyone claim that they are saying people were killed over a deal where it's beyond ridiculous to think there was a reason to kill them -- even you admit there's no motive to do this as there's no money to be made, no one going to prison for life if this or that person testifies. Contact the Palmerton Police Department. I could not have made it any clearer then this: Szoke is using this because he sent his videotape copy, and an additional copy of the footage filmed at the Garden that official scales used at Madison Square Garden were being corrupted to the New York State Athletic Commission, and the Attorney General's Office of the State Of New York on advice from his local Police Department. Of the people who died, if I follow, one was killed on 9/11 and now you're saying the other two died in the same car wreck. That doesn't, to me, raise suspicions unless the police find that their brake line was cut or something. You (or Szoke) seem to imply that they were killed over this weigh-in thing ... but if they are all firefighters then I guess a conspiracy-minded person could just as easily cook up some claim that there was corruption in the fire department that was being covered up. I just think more and more that this is the ramblings of a madman. With that said, I'll leave it to you, but if you can post anything of substance or provide the video with some explanation of what it is supposed to be showing, I'll read with interest. Again I am asking questions about the weigh in, and the rehydration process. You are asking questions of just about everything else, and now you will come back here saying this jumps around when these are the specific details you bloody well asked me for. TOLD YA Okay 379 post my bad. Now are you HIGH, or just DRUNK? You have told me nothing on how to upload a Jpeg image. Even if I had a video to upload I would not know how. If you have nothing further to add to the dates of Friday February 25th, or 26th 2000 shoo fly shoo. I'll call you when I get to 2009.

Whell if you think your confused, then imagine how I feel. It is like I am say speaking english, and your speaking something else. 1) Szoke did not attend the fight on Saturday February 26th at Madison Square Garden. Szoke attended the weigh in at Madison Square Garden on Friday February 25th. Szoke's three friends attended both the fight, and the weigh in which took place on 2 separate days. They were from New York. Szoke is from Pennsylvania. 2) The events that are described at the Commission Physical, and the events that took place in the dressing room are public accounts made so by people like Johnny Bos, Jack Hirsch, and Thomas Hauser. Are you going to say blackhawk helicopters are chasing them as well? 3) A bunch of fight fans are not going to have access to a fighters dressing room unless they are very close friends, or family. 4) While I see some of what you are saying, I have explored the idea the Szoke, and his friends are nothing more then a bunch of nut hugging Gatti fans whom are / were making up a story of sorts. Kind of like this gent Elroy I have been talking to whom thinks Tomasz Adamek is an all time great, however, when someone has a stamped United States Postal delivery confirmation receipt addressed to Pat Lynch, The New York State Attorney Generals Office, and New York State Athletic Commission that is kind of hard to dispute that Szoke actually did not sent something to these people. I mean he would have to know someone inside the postal system to falsify a federal document. I do not think any nut hugging fan is going to risk possible imprisonment over that.Then he would have to know someone at AT&T to falsify phone records. Who is going to do that? 5) If posting a pictures of this guys details is legal under the guidelines of the forum, can you please explain to me how to post a jpeg image. I see how to post a URL link, but I do not know how to post pictures. I have less then 100 posts here. You have 13000. 6) The date of the trial is in the first sentence of the deposition. July 13th - July 17, 2009. The verdict was made official March 26, 2010. The opening proceedings of the trial took place in April of 2009. http://vertumnus.courts.state.ny.us/claims/html/2010-036-700.html Do you now expect me to explain how the legal proceedings in the state of New York work? Ask them. In the meantime why don't you call the New York State Athletic Commission, and ask to speak to the legal department headed by Hugo Pinta. If he still works there maybe you can ask him about Mr. Szoke's home movie because I am dying to see it to, then you call Governor Cuomo, and ask him why the State of New York never even contacted Mr. Szoke, or addressed his complaint in regard to this matter. You can further ask the good governor about a copy of the fore mentioned home movie that was sent to that office as well. 7) As for someone taking a shot at Mr. Szoke, and killing his friends, if someone is incapacitated in a hospital, and physical therapy rehabilitation center, then there is going to be this thing called witnesses. If someone is incapacitated for the duration of a trial, and that person can not get to the trial. Mission accomplished. Why would they come back???? Take a good look at the car. It is a miracle anyone could survive that hitting a snow plow at 55 MPH. The front end of that car is in a 1000 pieces. Just exactly how do you expect anyone to find evidence of foul play after that? http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/bethlehem/index.ssf/2009/01/post_77.html 8) one man was a firefighter whom died on 9/11. Rosario, and Harper were killed behind the wheel of a car in Long Island in March of 2009. Both Harper, and Rosario contacted the New York State Athletic Commission, The Attorney Generals's Office, and the FBI in Newark, NJ. No one ever contacted them before their obituary birthdays in March of 2009. They did not make it Szoke did. You follow mate? Again I am asking questions about the weigh in, and the rehydration process. You are asking questions of just about everything else, and now you will come back here saying this jumps around when these are the specific details you bloody well asked me for. No, I really do not follow. Which is what I've been saying. I believe this is my 379th post on this forum according to what it says under my sig. No idea where you got 13,000. I have no desire to contact the state of New York. I don't know why you think I would. I keep asking what seem like basic questions and you throw out 13,000-word diatribes that make no sense to me. You post what happened in the locker room (with the fight-night weigh-in) and say "Szoke says' this is what happened ... then proceed to say he wasn't even there. They've concluded what happened in plane crashes where pieces the size of postage stamps are collected over literally hundreds of acres. I think competent investigators have a decent chance of figuring out what caused a car crash if foul play is suspected. Just reach out to your guy and ask him to post his video. Then we call can see it. I don't think Thomas Hauser and others are wearing tinfoil because I haven't seen anyone claim that they are saying people were killed over a deal where it's beyond ridiculous to think there was a reason to kill them -- even you admit there's no motive to do this as there's no money to be made, no one going to prison for life if this or that person testifies. Of the people who died, if I follow, one was killed on 9/11 and now you're saying the other two died in the same car wreck. That doesn't, to me, raise suspicions unless the police find that their brake line was cut or something. You (or Szoke) seem to imply that they were killed over this weigh-in thing ... but if they are all firefighters then I guess a conspiracy-minded person could just as easily cook up some claim that there was corruption in the fire department that was being covered up. I just think more and more that this is the ramblings of a madman. With that said, I'll leave it to you, but if you can post anything of substance or provide the video with some explanation of what it is supposed to be showing, I'll read with interest.

I still don't understand -- did you not just say (1) Szoke did not attend the fight because there was a storm coming, (2) Szoke could not get into the dressing room of a fight that he did not attend, and (3) he claims Gamache weighed himself twice in the dressing room, etc. -- but according to both of the above, he wasn't there. You say he seems like a nice guy. To me, he sounds like a guy who sees black helicopters. A lot of his claims (or your claims of what he claims) don't add up ... as pointed out above, or the claim that Gatti was supposed to testify in the trial two days after he died (July 11, 2009) but the trial happened in 2010 (verdict in April). Can you or Szoke substantiate the idea that he was supposed to testify two days later, or is that just what this guy says? For that matter, is he the only source for the claim that these now-dead firefighters were actually at the weigh-in? Were they supposed to be deposed in the lawsuit, or did they die before it was filed? Without a lot more answers, I have to say that I suspect this guy's wearing some tinfoil. If the mob wanted him dead, they wouldn't stop at a failed attempt to supposedly sabotage his car -- he'd be killed in a "burgulary attempt" or "mugging" or something. If he really wants answers, he should start by posting his weigh-in video somewhere (Facebook or whatever) and go public with his claims. Whell if you think your confused, then imagine how I feel. It is like I am say speaking english, and your speaking something else. 1) Szoke did not attend the fight on Saturday February 26th at Madison Square Garden. Szoke attended the weigh in at Madison Square Garden on Friday February 25th. Szoke's three friends attended both the fight, and the weigh in which took place on 2 separate days. They were from New York. Szoke is from Pennsylvania. 2) The events that are described at the Commission Physical, and the events that took place in the dressing room are public accounts made so by people like Johnny Bos, Jack Hirsch, and Thomas Hauser. Are you going to say blackhawk helicopters are chasing them as well? 3) A bunch of fight fans are not going to have access to a fighters dressing room unless they are very close friends, or family. 4) While I see some of what you are saying, I have explored the idea the Szoke, and his friends are nothing more then a bunch of nut hugging Gatti fans whom are / were making up a story of sorts. Kind of like this gent Elroy I have been talking to whom thinks Tomasz Adamek is an all time great, however, when someone has a stamped United States Postal delivery confirmation receipt addressed to Pat Lynch, The New York State Attorney Generals Office, and New York State Athletic Commission that is kind of hard to dispute that Szoke actually did not sent something to these people. I mean he would have to know someone inside the postal system to falsify a federal document. I do not think any nut hugging fan is going to risk possible imprisonment over that.Then he would have to know someone at AT&T to falsify phone records. Who is going to do that? 5) If posting a pictures of this guys details is legal under the guidelines of the forum, can you please explain to me how to post a jpeg image. I see how to post a URL link, but I do not know how to post pictures. I have less then 100 posts here. You have 13000. 6) The date of the trial is in the first sentence of the deposition. July 13th - July 17, 2009. The verdict was made official March 26, 2010. The opening proceedings of the trial took place in April of 2009. http://vertumnus.courts.state.ny.us/claims/html/2010-036-700.html Do you now expect me to explain how the legal proceedings in the state of New York work? Ask them. In the meantime why don't you call the New York State Athletic Commission, and ask to speak to the legal department headed by Hugo Pinta. If he still works there maybe you can ask him about Mr. Szoke's home movie because I am dying to see it to, then you call Governor Cuomo, and ask him why the State of New York never even contacted Mr. Szoke, or addressed his complaint in regard to this matter. You can further ask the good governor about a copy of the fore mentioned home movie that was sent to that office as well. 7) As for someone taking a shot at Mr. Szoke, and killing his friends, if someone is incapacitated in a hospital, and physical therapy rehabilitation center, then there is going to be this thing called witnesses. If someone is incapacitated for the duration of a trial, and that person can not get to the trial. Mission accomplished. Why would they come back???? Take a good look at the car. It is a miracle anyone could survive that hitting a snow plow at 55 MPH. The front end of that car is in a 1000 pieces. Just exactly how do you expect anyone to find evidence of foul play after that? http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/bethlehem/index.ssf/2009/01/post_77.html 8) one man was a firefighter whom died on 9/11. Rosario, and Harper were killed behind the wheel of a car in Long Island in March of 2009. Both Harper, and Rosario contacted the New York State Athletic Commission, The Attorney Generals's Office, and the FBI in Newark, NJ. No one ever contacted them before their obituary birthdays in March of 2009. They did not make it Szoke did. You follow mate? Again I am asking questions about the weigh in, and the rehydration process. You are asking questions of just about everything else, and now you will come back here saying this jumps around when these are the specific details you bloody well asked me for.

I can only tell you what this Szoke chap says. Granted this story is odd, but the guy does seem to have his ducks in a row, and he seems to snap out answers pretty quickly when asked quetions. My understanding is that Szoke is using these numbers as a basis to back his claim that the scales used at the official weigh in were tampered with by Tony Russo. Szoke believes that Gamache would have put on more then 4 3/4 pounds after the official weigh in knowing full well that Gatti put on significant weight between the weigh in, and the fight. If my understanding is correct, Szoke is using this because he sent his videotape copy, and an additional copy of the official scales used at Madison Square Garden being corrupted to the New York State Athletic Commission, and the Attorney General's Office of the State Of New York on advice from his local Police Department. Szoke further points out that the scale used to weigh in the fighters was calibrated, and set, and they sent the scale out a second time to be calibrated before anyone ever official ever weighed in. Szoke also said that he found it odd that when the official weights were recorded that Gatti, and De La Hoya wer both supposedly heavy, Derrell Coley was supposedly grossly under weight, and after getting on the official scale three times Joey Gamache was nearly right on. As for the unofficial numbers the next night that was conducted by HBO in the dressing room on what is described as a bathroom scale in the court deposition. If the commission did monitor this, then I have no idea. I am only taking a gander here mate in guessing that when they say bathroom scale what they mean is a flat scale that sits on the floor with a manual dial that is used to calibrate the scale, and set the thing at zero. Szoke said Gamache weighed himself twice in the dressing room. Once he weighed 145 which is in the court deposition. I don't know if that is with, or without clothes on. The second weight was recorded after he had his boxing gear on. Tapes, trunks, gloves, and an athletic cup. That weight was recorded at 147 Lbs, and 9 ounces. I do not know if that is on the same HBO scale, or a personal scale. Szoke said he did not stay with his friends for the fight the next night, and that a snow storm was coming, so he went home to Pennsylvania. Szoke said they did not have any access to the dressing rooms for the fight. Just the weigh in. Szoke said the that he was told from someone that was inside Gamache's dressing room that the mood of Gamache, and his handlers in the dressing room was that of a man whom was terminally ill on life support, and going to his grave. Honestly I believe there is something to this story. Why would a guy in Tony Russo whom was a convicted felon show up for a non heavyweight event when he never showed up for non heavyweight events. Why would Tony Russo conduct the weigh in when Bob Duffy does the weigh ins. Bob Duffy was there according to Szoke. Szoke said Bob Duffy was not late like Mel Southard said in the court deposition. If all these deaths are somehow related to this weigh in, and fight, then that is one bloody hot potato. The problem is I would not know how to go about proving that. I do not know what to make of Gatti's death down in Brazil, and I have no clue as to whom is lying, and who is telling the truth down there, nor do I have any idea whom is lying, and telling the truth about the actual weigh in for the Derrell Coley vs Oscar De La Hoya, and Joey Gamache vs Arturo Gatti fights. There is a crowd of people that says one thing, and another crowd that says another. Still I would have a responsibility to prove that, and corruption at this weigh in if I was to produce anything. These 4 chaps are the only people on earth that I have ever heard of defending Arturo Gatti. Everyone claims that Gatti cheated at the weigh in. I do not seeing him cheating at all. If someone is in fact cheating it is the commission. I have heard stories of Jose Luis Castillo cheating at the scale, but for whatever reason what ever happened at the weigh in for the Joey Gamache fight does not match what is on pictures, and film as the media is reporting it. If Gatti voilently gets on the scale, and gets right back off the scale, then I would like to know what weigh in the fight media was watching because on the limited footage that I have Gatti gets on the scale, and he stays on it. The problem here is that this commission was, and still to this day is corrupt. I am not sure if the commission doctors weighed Joey at the Commission office for the physical, or if that was just his manager weighing him up there. If they did can we even trust that information? These are the guys who went to lunch when Panama Lewis was taking the padding out of the gloves. These are the guys that never licensed the judges in the Holyfield - Lewis fight, and put first time inspectors in the corner. These are the guys that put vastly inexperienced judges, and referees into important 10, and 12 round fights to start their careers. These are the guys that are currently giving second, and third drug tests to boxers that failed the first ones. They are dirtier then dirt. Still I need more factual information which I do not think that I am ever going to have. If I had a copy of the New York State Athletic Commission tampering with the scales, then I would have something to go on to get to the next step. It is too bad because Szoke seems like a real nice fella. I asked him what he wanted to get out of this, and he said that he just wants someone to finally listen to him, and get his story heard. He said that he stop watching boxing in 2009 because all he could see anymore were fixed fights. Szoke also said that he was spending unhealthy amounts of time reading boxing news sites, blogging daily, and chatting with other fans. He said it had become a daily habit as if it was his job, but he was only a fan. Szoke claims to have spent almost every Friday, and Saturday night watching ESPN, HBO, or SHowtime for boxing between 1998, and 2009 You seem somewhat interested in this saintpat. Szoke is not a hard guy to find. He is on facebook under his name. I would give you his other contact information, but it is against forum rules. I may have even violated the forum regulations by posting some of this here. I still do not understand how anyone would have ever gotten any money out of this Lawsuit. You would have almost had to have had a fixed judge, jury, and witnesses. Apparently Joey Gamache got the media on board because I do not have the slightest idea what the media is talking about when they write about this weigh in. Szoke said he has not given up on speaking to Leonard Langley, or Derrell Coley, but thus far his attempts to reach Coley have not been successful. I am in fact curious myself as to why Coley never filed anything against De La Hoya, or the commission. Under Nevada regulations, if you do not make weight for a title fight, you just lost the title at the scale. They never reweighed De La Hoya, and they let him keep the title. To me it seems highly suspect. Joey gets his physical between noon & 1 PM the day of the weigh in where they claim to weigh 140 1/4 on a commission scale at their office. From there they show up at the Garden early expecting to talking HBO, but HBO is across the street. While they are at the Garden they check their weight on the official Garden scale used to conduct the official weigh in. It registers them as 137. The scale is then supposedly calibrated a second time now, and the scale now reads 140 1/4 pounds. This is the point where Szoke Claims the scale had been tampered with. Gamache goes across the street to see HBO knowing he has 3/4 of a pound to play with. From the point of his physical to the point his official weight is called at 140 1/4 Gamache does not gain, or lose a single ounce. Gamache takes in nothing, ex spells nothing from his system, does not lose anything walking around back, and forth, and weighs the same weight he did at the commission office 3 hours earlier at his physical. I could see Gamache not drinking anything, or taking anything in, but surely he would have shed an ounce in that time. It was February. It was cold outside. It was going to snow the next day. Surely Joey would have gone to the bathroom once. I still don't understand -- did you not just say (1) Szoke did not attend the fight because there was a storm coming, (2) Szoke could not get into the dressing room of a fight that he did not attend, and (3) he claims Gamache weighed himself twice in the dressing room, etc. -- but according to both of the above, he wasn't there. You say he seems like a nice guy. To me, he sounds like a guy who sees black helicopters. A lot of his claims (or your claims of what he claims) don't add up ... as pointed out above, or the claim that Gatti was supposed to testify in the trial two days after he died (July 11, 2009) but the trial happened in 2010 (verdict in April). Can you or Szoke substantiate the idea that he was supposed to testify two days later, or is that just what this guy says? For that matter, is he the only source for the claim that these now-dead firefighters were actually at the weigh-in? Were they supposed to be deposed in the lawsuit, or did they die before it was filed? Without a lot more answers, I have to say that I suspect this guy's wearing some tinfoil. If the mob wanted him dead, they wouldn't stop at a failed attempt to supposedly sabotage his car -- he'd be killed in a "burgulary attempt" or "mugging" or something. If he really wants answers, he should start by posting his weigh-in video somewhere (Facebook or whatever) and go public with his claims.

It really could come down to just this (and we'll almost certainly never know). Was there testimony as to exactly when, where and how this "unofficial" weight was determined? Do we know who witnessed it to give that number (4 3/4) to HBO? Because if this number is incorrect -- let's say he checked again on an uncalibrated bathroom scale at the hotel before heading over to the arena, or simply a scale that was off (these unofficial for-HBO prefight weights are not conducted in public and monitored by a commission) or even someone at HBO asked and he or someone in his camp said "145" or "about 145" then, bingo, a house of cards can be built on a foundation that isn't factually accurate. Since he was 140 1/4 and his "unofficial" weight just happens to end in 3/4 so it comes out to a nice, even number makes me wonder if there is any reality to the number at all. So was there testimony to this, any witness to this fight-night weigh-in, or does it all come down to something HBO "reported" on the telecast? I can only tell you what this Szoke chap says. Granted this story is odd, but the guy does seem to have his ducks in a row, and he seems to snap out answers pretty quickly when asked quetions. My understanding is that Szoke is using these numbers as a basis to back his claim that the scales used at the official weigh in were tampered with by Tony Russo. Szoke believes that Gamache would have put on more then 4 3/4 pounds after the official weigh in knowing full well that Gatti put on significant weight between the weigh in, and the fight. If my understanding is correct, Szoke is using this because he sent his videotape copy, and an additional copy of the official scales used at Madison Square Garden being corrupted to the New York State Athletic Commission, and the Attorney General's Office of the State Of New York on advice from his local Police Department. Szoke further points out that the scale used to weigh in the fighters was calibrated, and set, and they sent the scale out a second time to be calibrated before anyone ever official ever weighed in. Szoke also said that he found it odd that when the official weights were recorded that Gatti, and De La Hoya wer both supposedly heavy, Derrell Coley was supposedly grossly under weight, and after getting on the official scale three times Joey Gamache was nearly right on. As for the unofficial numbers the next night that was conducted by HBO in the dressing room on what is described as a bathroom scale in the court deposition. If the commission did monitor this, then I have no idea. I am only taking a gander here mate in guessing that when they say bathroom scale what they mean is a flat scale that sits on the floor with a manual dial that is used to calibrate the scale, and set the thing at zero. Szoke said Gamache weighed himself twice in the dressing room. Once he weighed 145 which is in the court deposition. I don't know if that is with, or without clothes on. The second weight was recorded after he had his boxing gear on. Tapes, trunks, gloves, and an athletic cup. That weight was recorded at 147 Lbs, and 9 ounces. I do not know if that is on the same HBO scale, or a personal scale. Szoke said he did not stay with his friends for the fight the next night, and that a snow storm was coming, so he went home to Pennsylvania. Szoke said they did not have any access to the dressing rooms for the fight. Just the weigh in. Szoke said the that he was told from someone that was inside Gamache's dressing room that the mood of Gamache, and his handlers in the dressing room was that of a man whom was terminally ill on life support, and going to his grave. Honestly I believe there is something to this story. Why would a guy in Tony Russo whom was a convicted felon show up for a non heavyweight event when he never showed up for non heavyweight events. Why would Tony Russo conduct the weigh in when Bob Duffy does the weigh ins. Bob Duffy was there according to Szoke. Szoke said Bob Duffy was not late like Mel Southard said in the court deposition. If all these deaths are somehow related to this weigh in, and fight, then that is one bloody hot potato. The problem is I would not know how to go about proving that. I do not know what to make of Gatti's death down in Brazil, and I have no clue as to whom is lying, and who is telling the truth down there, nor do I have any idea whom is lying, and telling the truth about the actual weigh in for the Derrell Coley vs Oscar De La Hoya, and Joey Gamache vs Arturo Gatti fights. There is a crowd of people that says one thing, and another crowd that says another. Still I would have a responsibility to prove that, and corruption at this weigh in if I was to produce anything. These 4 chaps are the only people on earth that I have ever heard of defending Arturo Gatti. Everyone claims that Gatti cheated at the weigh in. I do not seeing him cheating at all. If someone is in fact cheating it is the commission. I have heard stories of Jose Luis Castillo cheating at the scale, but for whatever reason what ever happened at the weigh in for the Joey Gamache fight does not match what is on pictures, and film as the media is reporting it. If Gatti voilently gets on the scale, and gets right back off the scale, then I would like to know what weigh in the fight media was watching because on the limited footage that I have Gatti gets on the scale, and he stays on it. The problem here is that this commission was, and still to this day is corrupt. I am not sure if the commission doctors weighed Joey at the Commission office for the physical, or if that was just his manager weighing him up there. If they did can we even trust that information? These are the guys who went to lunch when Panama Lewis was taking the padding out of the gloves. These are the guys that never licensed the judges in the Holyfield - Lewis fight, and put first time inspectors in the corner. These are the guys that put vastly inexperienced judges, and referees into important 10, and 12 round fights to start their careers. These are the guys that are currently giving second, and third drug tests to boxers that failed the first ones. They are dirtier then dirt. Still I need more factual information which I do not think that I am ever going to have. If I had a copy of the New York State Athletic Commission tampering with the scales, then I would have something to go on to get to the next step. It is too bad because Szoke seems like a real nice fella. I asked him what he wanted to get out of this, and he said that he just wants someone to finally listen to him, and get his story heard. He said that he stop watching boxing in 2009 because all he could see anymore were fixed fights. Szoke also said that he was spending unhealthy amounts of time reading boxing news sites, blogging daily, and chatting with other fans. He said it had become a daily habit as if it was his job, but he was only a fan. Szoke claims to have spent almost every Friday, and Saturday night watching ESPN, HBO, or SHowtime for boxing between 1998, and 2009 You seem somewhat interested in this saintpat. Szoke is not a hard guy to find. He is on facebook under his name. I would give you his other contact information, but it is against forum rules. I may have even violated the forum regulations by posting some of this here. I still do not understand how anyone would have ever gotten any money out of this Lawsuit. You would have almost had to have had a fixed judge, jury, and witnesses. Apparently Joey Gamache got the media on board because I do not have the slightest idea what the media is talking about when they write about this weigh in. Szoke said he has not given up on speaking to Leonard Langley, or Derrell Coley, but thus far his attempts to reach Coley have not been successful. I am in fact curious myself as to why Coley never filed anything against De La Hoya, or the commission. Under Nevada regulations, if you do not make weight for a title fight, you just lost the title at the scale. They never reweighed De La Hoya, and they let him keep the title. To me it seems highly suspect. Joey gets his physical between noon & 1 PM the day of the weigh in where they claim to weigh 140 1/4 on a commission scale at their office. From there they show up at the Garden early expecting to talking HBO, but HBO is across the street. While they are at the Garden they check their weight on the official Garden scale used to conduct the official weigh in. It registers them as 137. The scale is then supposedly calibrated a second time now, and the scale now reads 140 1/4 pounds. This is the point where Szoke Claims the scale had been tampered with. Gamache goes across the street to see HBO knowing he has 3/4 of a pound to play with. From the point of his physical to the point his official weight is called at 140 1/4 Gamache does not gain, or lose a single ounce. Gamache takes in nothing, ex spells nothing from his system, does not lose anything walking around back, and forth, and weighs the same weight he did at the commission office 3 hours earlier at his physical. I could see Gamache not drinking anything, or taking anything in, but surely he would have shed an ounce in that time. It was February. It was cold outside. It was going to snow the next day. Surely Joey would have gone to the bathroom once.

He cuts 18 pounds, but only puts on 4 & 3/4 pounds of hydration according to an unofficial weight check before the fight. It really could come down to just this (and we'll almost certainly never know). Was there testimony as to exactly when, where and how this "unofficial" weight was determined? Do we know who witnessed it to give that number (4 3/4) to HBO? Because if this number is incorrect -- let's say he checked again on an uncalibrated bathroom scale at the hotel before heading over to the arena, or simply a scale that was off (these unofficial for-HBO prefight weights are not conducted in public and monitored by a commission) or even someone at HBO asked and he or someone in his camp said "145" or "about 145" then, bingo, a house of cards can be built on a foundation that isn't factually accurate. Since he was 140 1/4 and his "unofficial" weight just happens to end in 3/4 so it comes out to a nice, even number makes me wonder if there is any reality to the number at all. So was there testimony to this, any witness to this fight-night weigh-in, or does it all come down to something HBO "reported" on the telecast?

From where do you have that Gamache came down from 160? It doesn't sound right to me. He was never that big. Hell I dont even think he weighs 160 today. Anyway the weighin was a travesty where Gatti cheated. I think there was some hearings about that incident. And to your question Yes it is possible to cut 20 lbs. Fighters do that all the time. And of course you can also just put on 3-4 lbs in 24 hours. It's about intake. Just wanted to say thanks again to everyone whom gave me some insight here on the weigh in, and rehydrating process. Whatever happened to these guys Harper, Rosario, and Szoke seems strange, but it will most likely remain a mystery as to if any of it related to what they had sent to the New York State Athletic Commission, and this weigh in. Whatever happened to Arturo Gatti in Brazil that is most likely going to remain a mystery as well, and whether it had anything to do with what happened in New York at the weigh in for the Joey Gamache fight. Whatever happened to the Attorney, and A Curcuit Judge likely to remain a suicide. While there are many curious things about this weigh in, in order to go forth with a documentary project I would need a little more proof to show that Gamache was a lightweight. To bad the New State Athletic Commission, and its legal department probably rid them self of that video tape these guys sent along time ago. Gamache himself was to have said to have a tape from some disgruntled worker at the commission office that Team Gatti gave the Commission advanced information that they were not making weight to which the commission supposedly said don't worry about it. I am still kind of curious as to why that never came up in the trial.

That information comes from a court deposition, and testimony from the trial itself. It is actually 158 pounds to which he weighed in at 140 1/4 that is about 18 pounds. I just rounded the number up, and said around 160. Thanks for contributing to this. I am starting to sense that if he gradually dropped this weight over the course of his camp that Gamache might have been able to do it, but like team Matthysse stated did he rehydrate enough. What is the deal with Oscar not making weight first though? People keep saying that Gatti cheated, but the clip that I have of this weigh in shows Gatti did not get on, and off the scale real quick. He gets on. He sees the beam hit the balance, his mouth opens, and he looks stunned as he is looking at the scale. Then at the point the commission adjusts the counter balance from 140 to 141, and they tell him to raise his arms, and it as that point the clip cuts out. If is from the Lewis - Grant Pay Per View. Everyone has got to have that clip that seen the Pay Per View, and recorded it. http://vertumnus.courts.state.ny.us/claims/html/2010-036-700.html I never said Gamache could not sweat down from 160. What I am driving at here was if Gamache was coming down from 160, or 158. He cuts 18 pounds, but only puts on 4 & 3/4 pounds of hydration according to an unofficial weight check before the fight. It is this 4 & 3/4 number that is more in question which is leading to more questions about the official weigh in itself. Who is to say that scale was ever even properly set up at the weigh in. This is the New York State Athletic Commission.

From where do you have that Gamache came down from 160? It doesn't sound right to me. He was never that big. Hell I dont even think he weighs 160 today. Anyway the weighin was a travesty where Gatti cheated. I think there was some hearings about that incident. And to your question Yes it is possible to cut 20 lbs. Fighters do that all the time. And of course you can also just put on 3-4 lbs in 24 hours. It's about intake. That information comes from a court deposition, and testimony from the trial itself. It is actually 158 pounds to which he weighed in at 140 1/4 that is about 18 pounds. I just rounded the number up, and said around 160. Thanks for contributing to this. I am starting to sense that if he gradually dropped this weight over the course of his camp that Gamache might have been able to do it, but like team Matthysse stated did he rehydrate enough. What is the deal with Oscar not making weight first though? People keep saying that Gatti cheated, but the clip that I have of this weigh in shows Gatti did not get on, and off the scale real quick. He gets on. He sees the beam hit the balance, his mouth opens, and he looks stunned as he is looking at the scale. Then at the point the commission adjusts the counter balance from 140 to 141, and they tell him to raise his arms, and it as that point the clip cuts out. If is from the Lewis - Grant Pay Per View. Everyone has got to have that clip that seen the Pay Per View, and recorded it. http://vertumnus.courts.state.ny.us/claims/html/2010-036-700.html