The 'PBC Underdog Effect'?

I think you have guys like Aron Martinez and others who don't make the money Devon Alexander or Robert Guerrero makes so when given the chance to get on TV and make good money, I think Martinez takes more advantage of it and the man comes to impress so he can come back. Not just to get the safe win and the check. So yes I do think Underdogs try HARDER on PBC because they not only have nothing to lose but they understand that it is more people watching them on that Platform than any other Platform most of them ever fought on. I do think PBC spent too much airtime on the wrong fighters. I think the focus should be on the FUTURE and grooming and showcasing young talent like Spence Jr, Prichard Colon, Erikson Lubin, Sammy Vazquez Jr instead of wasting airtime on guys just using the air time to fight weak opponents. The guys who don't want to step up and fight the best, their pay needs to be cut drastically! Not good when guys can get $1 Million to come and fight anybody. But Live Underdogs make for Good Entertaining Fights!

dibella has a good record for signing international talent and as we know he is basically in haymon's pocket now. he's been signing a bunch of ukrainians lately

I bet these guys are tired of hearing Al Haymon be thanked so they train harder.

pbc fighters just suck. what more can you say. they are given easy fights and consistently lose or look terrible. can you imagine kovalev and ggg losing or looking bad against monroe and mohamaddi? what's so funny is that then pbc defenders come back on here and say the pbc fighters are being matched tough as if we don't know the quality of opposition they are facing. sorry not everyone is as delusional as you are. eric molina isn't a good heavyweight, aaron martinez isn't a good welterweight, getting dropped by mora is embarrassing etc...these guys are treated so soft that they become soft. millions of dollars for easy fights drains them of any passion they once had. why try hard when you know you are going to get that easy money every time?

It's a case of good fighters getting the opportunity to prove themselves. It needs to happen more often as I feel it will put boxing back on the right course. There's also so many fights happening, the high volume of fights will produce more upsets naturally(appear to be more upsets). As opposed to how many fights happening in the past pre-PBC, it was very bad, only premium channels and some FNF fights. Now we have a high volume of fights. It's like there are 162 games per season in the Major League Baseball, logically, you're going to see a sh*tload of losses from every team. Or like in NBA games, LeBron James is gonna play in 84 games or whatever amount it is they play in the NBA, 1. His team will not always win, 2. LeBron will not always have a great day. That's cause we see so many of these games, of course we're going to see these players go 0 for 4 one day and 4 for 4 the next day. In boxing it's different, we see very little of these fights but now PBC gives boxing a bigger schedule and yeah, we are going to see more upsets and big wins, especially by the average Haymon fighters. I think the good fighters will do good though.

It's a case of good fighters getting the opportunity to prove themselves. It needs to happen more often as I feel it will put boxing back on the right course.

So its us overrating the fighters then? Because im pretty sure those guys were all decent favourites. No more like, the good PBC fighters win and the average one's lose. That's all there is to it. The person in charge of this is hated, so a lot of eyes on PBC and a lot of hope for their fighters to fail.

Its why i watch the fight and try not to judge them on paper. Never know what fight you are going to get. i have been very happy. :boxing::dance:

Is it just me or does there seem to be way more 'underdog' performances in the PBC than everywhere else. We got two more last night with Martinez beating Alexander and well past prime underweight Montiel giving FW belt holder Lee Selby a great fight. More off the top of my head, Fonfara beating Chavez Jr Alejandro Gonzalez Jr giving Frampton hell. Chris Arreola getting a lucky draw vs Fred Kassi Willy Nelson KOing Harrison Ricky Burns (seemingly shot and in a division above his best) giving Figueroa a very tough night Most of these were set up as showcase fights for the star to look good but ended up either being losses or very rough nights. Some can be put down to underestimating opponents (Fonfara is obviously not just an 'opponent') but the others were pretty clear underdogs. Am I looking too much into this? Haymon is matching his guys in TV/feature fights far tougher than anyone here wants to acknowledge. The perception that Haymon was simply setting up squash matches has been overstated.

It's not really clever matchmaking it's more to do with luck. The big favorites are not showing up and are underperforming. Alexander vs. Martinez should not have been a competitive fight but it was mainly due to how poorly Alexander looked.

Is it just me or does there seem to be way more 'underdog' performances in the PBC than everywhere else. We got two more last night with Martinez beating Alexander and well past prime underweight Montiel giving FW belt holder Lee Selby a great fight. More off the top of my head, Fonfara beating Chavez Jr Alejandro Gonzalez Jr giving Frampton hell. Chris Arreola getting a lucky draw vs Fred Kassi Willy Nelson KOing Harrison Ricky Burns (seemingly shot and in a division above his best) giving Figueroa a very tough night Most of these were set up as showcase fights for the star to look good but ended up either being losses or very rough nights. Some can be put down to underestimating opponents (Fonfara is obviously not just an 'opponent') but the others were pretty clear underdogs. Am I looking too much into this? Not at all. These underdogs still got a lot of fight in them. PBC brings them in, gives them a shot if they are game. They are.

Huck vs Glowacki Completely forgot that one. Great example

Huck vs Glowacki

Also you see the guys who aren't even fighting getting lazy. Omar Figgy pulling off fights for bull**** Sonsona not even bothering to train guys coming in overweight

The Fonfara-Chavez fight was on Showtime. I'll give you Bracero over O'Connor doe Good point :fing02:

None of those guys you mentioned are particularly good. Excluding Frampton and Selby, I chalk their performances up to simply learning experiences. Chavez Jr? Already had some questionable decisions in Top Rank but he was protected with corrruption due to his name. Then he had that Vera loss which was a robbery, IDK if he was with Haymon already, but Vera got robbed there. Arreola has lost every big fight possible pre PBC. So its us overrating the fighters then? Because im pretty sure those guys were all decent favourites.

Ur looking way too deep into it. You have to look at the PBC n Haymon's league as a bunch of tools for the most part. That's y those upsets happened. I don't recall any fighter in Haymon's stable that took the hard way up...not chavez jr, not quicken, not broner... Basically these fighters took the easy way up n when they r matched against styles different than the ones they haven't met before they become "exposed". The reality is they're just not that good. You tell me why a fighter still grooming their craft like broner, chavez jr, quack r only fighting 1 or 2x a yr. they should b honing their crafts like ggg at least 3x yearly.

Last I heard Uncle Al is changing the name to Premier British Champions.

Is it just me or does there seem to be way more 'underdog' performances in the PBC than everywhere else. We got two more last night with Martinez beating Alexander and well past prime underweight Montiel giving FW belt holder Lee Selby a great fight. More off the top of my head, Fonfara beating Chavez Jr Alejandro Gonzalez Jr giving Frampton hell. Chris Arreola getting a lucky draw vs Fred Kassi Willy Nelson KOing Harrison Ricky Burns (seemingly shot and in a division above his best) giving Figueroa a very tough night Most of these were set up as showcase fights for the star to look good but ended up either being losses or very rough nights. Some can be put down to underestimating opponents (Fonfara is obviously not just an 'opponent') but the others were pretty clear underdogs. Am I looking too much into this? None of those guys you mentioned are particularly good. Excluding Frampton and Selby, I chalk their performances up to simply learning experiences. Chavez Jr? Already had some questionable decisions in Top Rank but he was protected with corrruption due to his name. Then he had that Vera loss which was a robbery, IDK if he was with Haymon already, but Vera got robbed there. Arreola has lost every big fight possible pre PBC.

It's very hard to predict how a fight is gonna play out in boxing, every fight is risky to some degree, however the excitment factor increases when the viewer feels that the 2 guys fighting are both top guys, can't be excited for a Garcia vs Salka kind of match. I think PBC is doing a great job for their age (7 months) but they still have a way to go.