Wladimir should be no. 2 P4P?

No he wouldn't. Technically, people do favor him to beat Ward but it's one of those situations where popularity blinds. Like Matthysse-Postol, where those looking at it on ananalytical level knew better.

I absolutely agree. People are hellbent on the idea that p4p needs to favor smaller guys, which is not in fact relevant when you're talking about guys fighting within their weight classes. Wlad gets continually fked over in p4p, and unjustly. Ward at #1 is not an easy pick because there's no stand out #1 guy right now but if you add up accomplishments with a reasonable assessment of current skill level, he's the most fair choice.

Not, he is the number 1.

ward hasn't fought anyone in 4 years and has constantly tried to fight bums nonstop. wlad is a cheater who clinches nonstop and should be dq'd in many of his fights. those are your 2 p4p best? lol boxing and lol boxing fans Lol at how big of a f@ckng dimwitted troll you are. It's literally your entire existence on this website. Do everybody a favor and crawl back into your hole.

He didn't look sensational against Smith. Very workmanlike, slow at times, lazy most definitely. Then again, it may just be the lack of motivation but honestly, a p4p guy has to have higher standards. But I guess it's how we view p4p lists. I thought he looked amazing against Smith. He knocked him out all while taking almost zero damage. You can't do much better than that.

why is ward automatically number 1 he is moving to lhw and kovalev would be favoured to beat ward , no? you cant be p4p number 1 if you are not the best in your own division lol No he wouldn't.

You should think about it a little more..... I will lay it out for you. No.1 - Ward cleaned out 168, like Wlad has basically done HW. But..... No.2 - Ward was actually ranked no.2 P4P behind Floyd for a long time, starting when Pacquiao lost to Bradley. (BS loss of course) No.3 - He not only beat, but destroyed the LHW champ (Dawson) when it actually mattered. (even if it was at 168) To me, that is the only claim there is to the P4P no.1 crown other than Wlad. Oh, and Wlad is actually my favorite current fighter. Ward's not in my top ten, I'm just a boxing realist. how did it matter if the fight was at 168? it didn't. that fight was a joke. if ggg destroyed ward at 160 i know what you would say. you know what you would say. ward was drained ggg cheated him! but when ward does it to someone else its a great win? you actually believe that?

ward hasn't fought anyone in 4 years and has constantly tried to fight bums nonstop. wlad is a cheater who clinches nonstop and should be dq'd in many of his fights. those are your 2 p4p best? lol boxing and lol boxing fans

We can agree to disagree but in the few fights Ward has had since Froch, he has looked absolutely sensational. P.S. I'm not a homer for Ward in any way. He didn't look sensational against Smith. Very workmanlike, slow at times, lazy most definitely. Then again, it may just be the lack of motivation but honestly, a p4p guy has to have higher standards. But I guess it's how we view p4p lists.

That doesn't make sense You put a guy at number 1 because he almost did as good as the number 2. I'm guessing Ward is your favourite fighter. You should think about it a little more..... I will lay it out for you. No.1 - Ward cleaned out 168, like Wlad has basically done HW. But..... No.2 - Ward was actually ranked no.2 P4P behind Floyd for a long time, starting when Pacquiao lost to Bradley. (BS loss of course) No.3 - He not only beat, but destroyed the LHW champ (Dawson) when it actually mattered. (even if it was at 168) To me, that is the only claim there is to the P4P no.1 crown other than Wlad. Oh, and Wlad is actually my favorite current fighter. Ward's not in my top ten, I'm just a boxing realist.

In that scenario, no because he should be above Ward.

Ward almost done as well at 168 and then knocked out the 175 champ. Ward is/was heir apparent and I don't feel it's really up for discussion after Pacquiao got knocked out. That doesn't make sense You put a guy at number 1 because he almost did as good as the number 2. I'm guessing Ward is your favourite fighter.

lol that was tongue in cheek but you know what I mean, Ward's last truly terrific win was some 3 or 4 years ago versus Froch. If one is to accept Dawson as a legitimate win, even that was many years ago. Since then he has faced a journeyman (took him 9 rounds) and a fringe contender. In my book, the only way Ward is p4p no.1 is if, by some miracle, the boxing world just stood still and no one, including Wlad, GGG, Kovalev, Pacquiao, Bradley and so on, did anything of note in that time. The truth is, boxing has moved on and Ward is still fighting like a prospect. We can agree to disagree but in the few fights Ward has had since Froch, he has looked absolutely sensational. P.S. I'm not a homer for Ward in any way.

Then why do you have him #2 and not #1? Ward almost done as well at 168 and then knocked out the 175 champ. Ward is/was heir apparent and I don't feel it's really up for discussion after Pacquiao got knocked out.

i have him as my placeholder #1 until we get fights like kovalev-ward, gonzalez-estrada ii and lomachenko-walters or rigondeaux

why is ward automatically number 1 he is moving to lhw and kovalev would be favoured to beat ward , no? you cant be p4p number 1 if you are not the best in your own division lol Who's to say he's not the best fighter at 175 when he moves up without fighting the no. 2 guy in that division?

I think Wlad has the best case for P4P no.2 behind Ward. What do you think? To me, the proof is in what he's done. Simply enough, if he beats Fury in December, he will have beaten 6 out of the top 10 contenders to his title based on the Ring's rankings. That's amazing and no other fighter in boxing right now is close to having done that. It's pure and simple dominance. Vote, discuss, thanks. Then why do you have him #2 and not #1?

Last I checked, those fighters were in active smarty pants :poke: lol that was tongue in cheek but you know what I mean, Ward's last truly terrific win was some 3 or 4 years ago versus Froch. If one is to accept Dawson as a legitimate win, even that was many years ago. Since then he has faced a journeyman (took him 9 rounds) and a fringe contender. In my book, the only way Ward is p4p no.1 is if, by some miracle, the boxing world just stood still and no one, including Wlad, GGG, Kovalev, Pacquiao, Bradley and so on, did anything of note in that time. The truth is, boxing has moved on and Ward is still fighting like a prospect.

At 168 though lol And if time doesn't matter, as is the case with many boxing fans, then Ali, Duran and Leonard should still be p4p ranked :alcoholic Last I checked, those fighters were in active smarty pants :poke:

I can't take away what Ward managed to do when he was more active. He pretty much cleaned out 168 and knocked out the champ at 175. At 168 though lol And if time doesn't matter, as is the case with many boxing fans, then Ali, Duran and Leonard should still be p4p ranked :alcoholic