No US medals at the World Champs

I'd hardly call destroying the reputation of his fighters, putting his fighters in meaningless fights with empty arenas and poor tv ratings, hurting his fighters' development, burning bridges with every other major power in boxing, and tying his fighters to an unsustainable business project Haymon taking care of his fighters. Once the PBC money runs out, Haymon's fighters will be stuck. A short term gain in exchange for potentially destroying their careers. Watching these World Championships really makes me realize how frustrating Haymon's matchmaking is. In the Worlds, top fighters consistently face each other. ... Showtime is still heavily involved in boxing, to the point that I wouldn't be shocked if their boxing budget was larger than HBO's. Once the PBC money runs out (and the other networks don't come along), Haymon will head back to Showtime/CBS with near every young marketable fighter in the sport , to a network that isn't cutting their boxing budget. hate if you want.

guess what dummy, they have sports in other countries too, do you think boxing is the biggest sport in europe and that the kids just "Grow up boxing"? lmao america ruled boxing when it had near complete control of boxing promotion, no other reason, imagine if PBC was all we had and you get the picture back when foreman vs lyle was considered a display of skill and technique (2 barely trained men gassing in rd 1 then winging slow motion 12 ft wide hooks at each other with a 1% block percentage for the remainder of the fight). That sort of stuff is worshiped in US boxing. Nostalgia for that horrid slop is probably the reason they can't compete anymore. The only US boxers who survived were the point boxer/philly shell guys who fight more like cubans than they do like old school US boxers. Basketball, football, and baseball all provide easier paths to sustenance that boxing does (and, to be frank, a kid doesn't even need to go pro; get yourself a college scholarship, earn a degree, and/or make connections when in school); that's before counting the other non-boxing ways a kid has to make something of themselves. In Europe, you have soccer, rugby, cricket.... and not much else (coming from a non-European). Boxing is a far bigger option for folks internationally than it is in the US.

That makes sense. However, it may hurt his development by depriving him of valuable experience. A gamble. Will be interesting to see how it pans out. He's been moved along pretty well, from what I can tell; 7 fights in 2014, 5-6 fights in 2015, against the level of guys that most other young prospects would've likely been put in with, 40 rounds in the ring as a pro. time will tell

Khyzhniak did his best, but Joe Ward's counters were far too much. Is it just me or does that guy like huge for an 81kg fighter? La Cruz loves to fight with that reflex based, hands down style. Problem is, he puts himself way off balance with that. That's what lead to him getting dropped today. Still won, but can't make that mistake against better opposition. Alvarez won his fight today against Longchin, who was pretty game. Not Alvarez's finest performance, though he won very clearly. He now goes on to fight that Ukrainian kid, Beliak, who fought the Japanese fighter, Narimatsu. I expect Alvarez to win, but that kid will bring it. He certainly brought it today. That was a fun fight. Valentino got beaten up by that Mongolian guy, who now goes on to fight Abduraimov. They fought in the recent Asian Boxing Confederation Championships and it appears that Otgondalai beat Abduraimov pretty clearly. Looking at Abduraimov's record, he seems to generally lose at this level. Lost to guys like Dimitrov, Isayev, and Safiullin, among others. Conceicao took a round to get warmed up, but them beat the Russian pretty clearly. He will now face Joseph Cordina, who beat the North Korean. Selimov pulled out a tough win against McComb. Won first two on two cards, then basically cruised through the last round. Selimov is really deceptive. He fights at a steady pace, then out of nowhere he'll explode with fast leads. McComb fought well, but Selimov was just too intelligent for him. Next up for Selimov is Sofiane Oumiha, who beat the young Venezuelan kid, Luis Cabrera, today. Selimov basically toyed with Oumiha back in June. I'd be shocked if Selimov lost to him. If the matchups go as I expect, I think we'll see Alvarez vs Otgondalai and Selimov vs Conceicao. On a final note, the Cuban flyweight, Yosbany Veitia, won today. He looked quite impressive. He actually lost to the American kid, Antonio Vargas, in the Pan American Games. Anybody know why Vargas isn't in the Worlds? Joe Ward started of really strong. Fast and hard punches. I was impressed. He seems to have poor stamina though. He started slowing down in the second round and Khyzhniak out worked him in the third. I heard that he could be lazy at times and it kinda shows, maybe that's why he appears big? He was holding a lot so makes me think his stamina was running out. I don't recall him holding a lot in previous bouts, I think he wasted a lot of energy in the first round where he was throwing fast and powerful combinations. Khyzhniak could have worked during the clinches, but preferred for the referee to separate them. That's one of the things I don't like about amateur boxers, it's like they don't teach these guys how to fight on the inside and the clinch. Khyzhniak could have outworked him in the Second round, a round in which Ward held more than actually threw. If he would've won that round the fight would've been his. They have to start teaching these guys to work during the clinch, until the ref says break! When Joe Ward lets his hands go it's a thing of beauty though. La Cruz has beautiful footwork, but he does get careless in there. I wonder if anyone could upset him. Ward and Niyazymbetov may have shot. I doubt anyone will beat him though. The 60 kg from Mongolia looked pretty good. He could give Lazaro a good fight. I can't wait for Quarterfinals. That's a great question. I thought Vargas handled Veitia and the rest of the competitors of the Pan Am's rather easily. They didn't send him to the World Qualifiers for some reason though and instead send a lesser boxer. I think Vargas is the only American that has potential to medal at the Olympics. If you reply just PM so we won't keep bumping this thread lol.

People barely care about Pro Boxing here in America so NOBODY cares about Amateur/Olympic Boxing which is Sad. That being said when you have your elite young talent turning Pro as 16 and 17 years old, yeah that leaves team US with inferior talent. Erikson Lubin, Tim Lee and Devin Haney are all Pros and all are still Teenagers so :dunno: Then again why not turn pro when Haymon has his Prospects living like this: " Just 2 years ago I was homeless with no place to go God is real and he shows that dreams really do come true if you continue to work hard you will be rewarded. To be 19 years young and move into my first house is truly a blessing. This is not a post to brag on what I have but to show that God exists so believe in him, honor him and dreams will become reality. Special thanks to my strong solid team who also helped me where I need to be " #GODISGREAT #AlhaymonBoxing #TeamMolina ���������� A photo posted by Timothy Lee (@spotlightt) on Aug 15, 2015 at 7:38pm PDT Tim Lee is only 19 years old and has like 2 Pro Fights under his belt and he already has a sick house :lol1: Damn!!! Time to become a gatekeeper for Haymon. However these kids might be taking pay advances. A trap Sugar Ray Robinson fell into with his promoter.

^^^^^100 percent true I disagree to an extent. Part of the stylistic difference is due to the length of the contests. I don't see the amateurs changing in that regard. It's the same scoring system as pros.

I train 3 amateur kids and I will be the 1st to say from what I see in Southern California (at least) is most trainers whether it be some kids dad or a certified trainer, they (we) all prepare our kids more so towards a professional style of boxing. The amateur style of boxing that we became accustom to is really "played out" for lack of a better term. The point system is crappy because it can easily be manipulated. If and when the amateurs becomes more of a pro style, the US will be back on top with a few surprise countries coming out of the wood works. ^^^^^100 percent true

Doesn't seem like there is much of an amateur infrastructure in the U.S. No government support for it. Besides, because of the selfish, greedy culture of the U.S., boxers would rather turn pro quickly and make easy money than stay amateur and do the country proud. Of course, lack of government support is part of that. Without government funding, few will have the financial means to stay amateur. In several other countries, I believe the amateur boxers are paid or at least supported. To a large extent, I guess the U.S. just doesn't care enough.

Is the US the worst boxing nation on the planet per capita (very large number of boxers, very few good ones)? And if so what is the cause? Poor diets (sans elite athletes with nutritional teams)? Clinging to nostalgic styles (there are still old scruffy trainers around who think 1970s winging punches slop would cause a ruckus today)? Entitled/politically correct society creating mushy victim boys who don't know how to try at anything? What other reasons?

I'd hardly call destroying the reputation of his fighters, putting his fighters in meaningless fights with empty arenas and poor tv ratings, hurting his fighters' development, burning bridges with every other major power in boxing, and tying his fighters to an unsustainable business project Haymon taking care of his fighters. Once the PBC money runs out, Haymon's fighters will be stuck. A short term gain in exchange for potentially destroying their careers. Watching these World Championships really makes me realize how frustrating Haymon's matchmaking is. In the Worlds, top fighters consistently face each other.

People barely care about Pro Boxing here in America so NOBODY cares about Amateur/Olympic Boxing which is Sad. That being said when you have your elite young talent turning Pro as 16 and 17 years old, yeah that leaves team US with inferior talent. Erikson Lubin, Tim Lee and Devin Haney are all Pros and all are still Teenagers so :dunno: Then again why not turn pro when Haymon has his Prospects living like this: " Just 2 years ago I was homeless with no place to go God is real and he shows that dreams really do come true if you continue to work hard you will be rewarded. To be 19 years young and move into my first house is truly a blessing. This is not a post to brag on what I have but to show that God exists so believe in him, honor him and dreams will become reality. Special thanks to my strong solid team who also helped me where I need to be " #GODISGREAT #AlhaymonBoxing #TeamMolina ���������� A photo posted by Timothy Lee (@spotlightt) on Aug 15, 2015 at 7:38pm PDT Tim Lee is only 19 years old and has like 2 Pro Fights under his belt and he already has a sick house :lol1: After Danny knocked out Khan's bum ass, he spoke and sounded real genuine when he said "Al Haymon changed my life". He's really taking care of the fighters which is good but sucks for us as fans sometimes.

I take it youve never played sports before. Cause if you did then you would know that you arent born at 6' 2" or whatever, you grow and while you are growing you play football/basketball/baseball from pop warner through high school. And yes these 5' 9" middleweights wanna play football then too and they do. and all this takes place around the time that boxers would be working on their craft. Football rules America guess what dummy, they have sports in other countries too, do you think boxing is the biggest sport in europe and that the kids just "Grow up boxing"? lmao america ruled boxing when it had near complete control of boxing promotion, no other reason, imagine if PBC was all we had and you get the picture back when foreman vs lyle was considered a display of skill and technique (2 barely trained men gassing in rd 1 then winging slow motion 12 ft wide hooks at each other with a 1% block percentage for the remainder of the fight). That sort of stuff is worshiped in US boxing. Nostalgia for that horrid slop is probably the reason they can't compete anymore. The only US boxers who survived were the point boxer/philly shell guys who fight more like cubans than they do like old school US boxers.

Yeah its a 10 point system but its basically like using compubox to figure that out... Computer scoring is no longer in use in amateur boxing.

The four American boxers have been knocked out of the World Champs and none of them will take a medal home. This follows from the 2012 Olympics where Team USA didn't win a medal for the first time in their history. American fans, are you worried that this will affect your professional stars of the future? Is this just a blip or does American amateur boxing need some sort of reform. Post and discuss. Question, what was the nationality of the people handing out the KO losses to the American fighters?

Won yesterday by some really wide scores. Tomorrow he fights an Uzbeki fighter, Tulaganov. The Turkish guy Ali Eren fights at +91.Is he good?

All the good American boxers are in the NFL and NBA because as we all know 5'9" middleweights are in high demand in the NFL and NBA That excuse worked when we were trying to explain why drunken '70s style heavyweights went extinct and got replaced with European robots but now that the US has weak representation across the board it's time to just admit we never had superior boxers, just superior TV coverage propelling average (and sometimes mediocre) boxers to superstardom. I take it youve never played sports before. Cause if you did then you would know that you arent born at 6' 2" or whatever, you grow and while you are growing you play football/basketball/baseball from pop warner through high school. And yes these 5' 9" middleweights wanna play football then too and they do. and all this takes place around the time that boxers would be working on their craft. Football rules America

He got robbed against Joshua in the Olympics. If I recall correctly, he wasn't the only one. Wasn't Roberto Cammarelle robbed too? Haven't seen that fight in ages.

Won yesterday by some really wide scores. Tomorrow he fights an Uzbeki fighter, Tulaganov. He got robbed against Joshua in the Olympics.

How is Erislandy Savon doing. Won yesterday by some really wide scores. Tomorrow he fights an Uzbeki fighter, Tulaganov.

How is Erislandy Savon doing.