What modern fighters would you say are the best examples of the textbook pure boxer?
Someone who is very orthodox and straight with his punches? With a very typical "hand up, chin down" defense? And straightforward, well schooled footwork?
Then in terms of what I've seen in recent years, you can't pick against Ward, Mikey, Barrera when he felt like boxing and a younger Bhop.
In fact, there's this vid I saw once of Bhop v Tito, a breakdown of how the great one won and almost every time Bhop threw a punch, he'd have his opposite hand up to block counters, or his shoulder and chin tucked in nice and tight and he would be throwing straight punches only. It's literally everything we're supposed to do when we're taught boxing but without any of the bad habits. Remarkable.
No fighter sets traps, rolls and counters, moves back on his feet, uses the check hook, leads with the straight right without setting it up with the jab, leads with a leaping hook or jabs to the body the way Floyd Mayweather does, I've never seen a fighter do or let alone combine all these things like Floyd Mayweather, and if you're the only one who does something, this means u r not a textbook guy.
Not saying he invented everything he does, but him combining all these different things and using them at the right time is definetly not textbook.
no, that simply means you have the talent to do it.
i don't think you understand what textbook means. it does not mean plain or not dynamic. joe louis was one of the most dynamic offensive fighters we have seen. he also threw the righ thand straight as an arrow, and followed it up with a short left hook.
i know you didn't read my post. textbook subscribes to the idea that there is a "right" way to do things, and committing to it. there's no "textbook" style that has transcended eras in boxing. it's constantly been shifting. a fighter who is "textbook" in 1920 will look completely different from a fighter in 2015 who fights shorter fights, with bigger gloves with an attached thumb, in a smaller ring, with hard leather and foam padding on his knuckles.
you've not addressed the fact that the spectrum of what contsitutes a textbook boxer is always shifting. floyd mayweather doesn't deviate from his style, which is based on diagnosing an opponent's offense and timing counterpunches. that committment is textbook. you don't need to keep both gloves up all the time, like winky wright, to be textbook.
No fighter sets traps, rolls and counters, moves back on his feet, uses the check hook, leads with the straight right without setting it up with the jab, leads with a leaping hook or jabs to the body the way Floyd Mayweather does, I've never seen a fighter do or let alone combine all these things like Floyd Mayweather, and if you're the only one who does something, this means u r not a textbook guy.
Not saying he invented everything he does, but him combining all these different things and using them at the right time is definetly not textbook.
NE got owned and don't know ish about boxing.
he's not a textbook fighter because he defends his chin with his shoulder to invite right hands?
there's no "textbook" for boxing, and if there it is evolves based on the gloves they used, the amount of clinching allowed, the size of the rings, which have all varied throughout history and changed the ways guys fight.
guys who are guided by and stick to their own principals are textbook. floyd sticks to the "mayweather school of boxing." it's not a wild, unorthodox style. it's carefully planned out. you can call it "blueprinted" if you like.
floyd throws perfect punches. he's on balance in constancy. he knows exactly where you are, and fights accordingly.
ali wasn't a textbook fighter. he was never all that tough to hit, particularly considering how long his arms were, and how fast his feet were. he'd sit on the ropes in the 70's. in the 60's he'd pull straight back when he was in range, and sometimes he'd get tagged. he'd wing punches, paw / row iwth the jab. he got away with it because of his gifts, and he got hit a lot once they faded.
floyd isn't like that. he throws the right hand straigt, the left hook short, and the jab coms straight home
to give oyu a good idea of how well the book works, and how dedicated a fighter is to the book, look at hopkins and floyd, two guys who don't fight with their hands up all the time.
as they aged, and their reflexes went, they were still ahrd to hit. why? it's because of their fundamental base. it starts with the feet, and ends with your eyes. your feet need to be able to put you into a position to capitalize on what your eye can see. as your brain slows, you've got a better chance of avoiding trouble if you're not simply reacting, but have a planned set of possible outcomes. you get those plans from your textbook.
tl; dr:
floyd isn't "not textbook" simply because he keep his lead hand low.
No fighter sets traps, rolls and counters, moves back on his feet, uses the check hook, leads with the straight right without setting it up with the jab, leads with a leaping hook or jabs to the body the way Floyd Mayweather does, I've never seen a fighter do or let alone combine all these things like Floyd Mayweather, and if you're the only one who does something, this means u r not a textbook guy.
Not saying he invented everything he does, but him combining all these different things and using them at the right time is definetly not textbook.
Floyd Mayweather is definitley not a textbook fighter, he's a pretty sophisticated fighter who does things that only he does, Alexis Arguello however is also a great answer, one of my all time favorites.
he's not a textbook fighter because he defends his chin with his shoulder to invite right hands?
there's no "textbook" for boxing, and if there it is evolves based on the gloves they used, the amount of clinching allowed, the size of the rings, which have all varied throughout history and changed the ways guys fight.
guys who are guided by and stick to their own principals are textbook. floyd sticks to the "mayweather school of boxing." it's not a wild, unorthodox style. it's carefully planned out. you can call it "blueprinted" if you like.
floyd throws perfect punches. he's on balance in constancy. he knows exactly where you are, and fights accordingly.
ali wasn't a textbook fighter. he was never all that tough to hit, particularly considering how long his arms were, and how fast his feet were. he'd sit on the ropes in the 70's. in the 60's he'd pull straight back when he was in range, and sometimes he'd get tagged. he'd wing punches, paw / row iwth the jab. he got away with it because of his gifts, and he got hit a lot once they faded.
floyd isn't like that. he throws the right hand straigt, the left hook short, and the jab coms straight home
to give oyu a good idea of how well the book works, and how dedicated a fighter is to the book, look at hopkins and floyd, two guys who don't fight with their hands up all the time.
as they aged, and their reflexes went, they were still ahrd to hit. why? it's because of their fundamental base. it starts with the feet, and ends with your eyes. your feet need to be able to put you into a position to capitalize on what your eye can see. as your brain slows, you've got a better chance of avoiding trouble if you're not simply reacting, but have a planned set of possible outcomes. you get those plans from your textbook.
tl; dr:
floyd isn't "not textbook" simply because he keep his lead hand low.
as for some all time examples, you have donald curry, floyd mayweather, alexis arguello, joe louis, benny leonard, harold johnson.
here's an interesting one:
mike tyson.
really?
really. tyson was a very "textbook" heavyweight in his prime. you can tell that he was schooled to throw all of those combinations with the "numbers system" that cus d'amato used.
Floyd Mayweather is definitley not a textbook fighter, he's a pretty sophisticated fighter who does things that only he does, Alexis Arguello however is also a great answer, one of my all time favorites.
as for some all time examples, you have donald curry, floyd mayweather, alexis arguello, joe louis, benny leonard, harold johnson.
here's an interesting one:
mike tyson.
really?
really. tyson was a very "textbook" heavyweight in his prime. you can tell that he was schooled to throw all of those combinations with the "numbers system" that cus d'amato used.
Mikey Garcia.
The best textbook fighter of all times however is Ricardo Lopez.
this is a good answer. mikey is a very orthodox fighter. it works for hiim because his fundamentals are so good, and he has so much power.
after his layoff i wonder about him making lower weights, and question his effectiveness at higher ones.
i think the fighter with the best footwork in boxing is vasyl lomachenko. he's got a very european style, which hasn't really made it into the "textbook" yet, but he's got he athleticism and footspeed to move like an american fighter, and he does.