ESPN's Dan Rafael P4P List

Ok Ward isn't supposed to be there, but this is certainly a better list than some bs I've seen recently.

Andre Ward #21 is pathetic. He clearly has the talent but hasn't earned it at all.

Here's my opinion: If Ward isn't on your P4P list, that's fine. He's fought twice in 3 years. I get it. But if he's on your list, he better be #1. Otherwise, your list is sh*t. Does anyone disagree? I'm sure that close to everyone on this forum would disagree with this statement.

One has been inactive fighting nobodies, the other has been active fighting nobodies.. But in the end they have both been fighting nobodies.. Viloria is the step in the right direction Yaegashi is maybe at the level of a ghost or Berto. Rodriguez is a one hit wonder much like a Rico Ramos. Leon had like 28 losses, the others are old faded names or journeyman.. Nothing elite about either's level of competition in recent years. 9-0 > 2-0 in 3 yrs fighting nobodies and his nobodies are better too.

ward 2013 - edwin rodriguez 2014 - nobody 2015 - paul smith upcoming opponent - nobody roman 2013 - ronald barrera, francisco rodriguez, oscar blanquet 2014 - juan kantun, juan purisima, akira yaegashi (WBC 112 title), rocky fuentes 2015 - valentin leon, edgar sosa upcoming opponent - brian viloria not exactly the same is it, dumbass? One has been inactive fighting nobodies, the other has been active fighting nobodies.. But in the end they have both been fighting nobodies.. Viloria is the step in the right direction Yaegashi is maybe at the level of a ghost or Berto. Rodriguez is a one hit wonder much like a Rico Ramos. Leon had like 28 losses, the others are old faded names or journeyman.. Nothing elite about either's level of competition in recent years.

one is fighting people and the other is fighting hobbits.. :nonono: shut up, pygmy.

I think most people here favor big name wins over sheer dominance and performances. I wonder how many people would rank Kovalev ahead of Gonzalez. i do too. but the roman crybaby whining is over the top. kid has titles in 3 divisions, undefeated a 43-0, most by ko's. of course he's gonna get votes. plus i have a feeling ggg/kov split votes for those not voting roman. i understand it's kinda flukey how roman got #1 p4p. but trying to compare ward inactivity to roman is stupid. roman fighting 3-4 times a year. ward twice in 3 yrs. yaegashi was wbc 112 champ. fuentes was top 10 112. sosa is top 5 112. rodriguez is top 10 108. and in a couple weeks he's gonna fight another top 112 guy in viloria. i understand why ppl don't have him #1, but don't say some ignorant crap.

ward 2013 - edwin rodriguez 2014 - nobody 2015 - paul smith upcoming opponent - nobody roman 2013 - ronald barrera, francisco rodriguez, oscar blanquet 2014 - juan kantun, juan purisima, akira yaegashi (WBC 112 title), rocky fuentes 2015 - valentin leon, edgar sosa upcoming opponent - brian viloria not exactly the same is it, dumbass? one is fighting people and the other is fighting hobbits.. :nonono:

I think most people here favor big name wins over sheer dominance and performances. I wonder how many people would rank Kovalev ahead of Gonzalez.

Neither has roman... The Estrada fight was in 2012, and no big fights since.. ward 2013 - edwin rodriguez 2014 - nobody 2015 - paul smith upcoming opponent - nobody roman 2013 - ronald barrera, francisco rodriguez, oscar blanquet 2014 - juan kantun, juan purisima, akira yaegashi (WBC 112 title), rocky fuentes 2015 - valentin leon, edgar sosa upcoming opponent - brian viloria not exactly the same is it, dumbass?

ward hasn't done anything in years. Neither has roman... The Estrada fight was in 2012, and no big fights since..

yeah those nobodies dropped rigo couple times. Maybe the last one isn't as bad to be called a nobody but clearly outmatched in every way, didn't really do anything to deserve a shot at a world title. Point is I'd sooner have Rigondeaux in the top ten over the like of Ward, a lot of people make exceptions with these P4P rankings there really is no limit to it just don't agree with Dan on this one.

Rigo has fought better opposition recently than Ward that's a fact and that isn't really a big compliment to Rigo because he has fought nobodies but still better than the likes of Smith but sure Andre Ward P4P 2 doe yeah those nobodies dropped rigo couple times.

Lmfao at anyone who has Ward in their top ten. ward hasn't done anything in years.

The fuk. I'm glad he doesn't put Guillermo Rigondeaux top 5 because the dude hasn't fought in 9 months. Roman G. can be #2 Klitschko is #1 Kovalev should be higher than Ward and Golovkin, Ward even being on the list right now is still not entirely solidified. Let him get a few more fights in first. Pacquiao can be anywhere on that list, from #1-#5 IMO. There is no shame to losing to Floyd, although I suppose people are eating him up about the Marquez KO still, despite the fact that he beat Bradley twice, Rios/Algieri are mediocre wins at best though. I guess if he beats Khan (or some other good Welterweight) he'll shoot right back up... then again, maybe he should consider moving back down to 140. Rigo has fought better opposition recently than Ward that's a fact and that isn't really a big compliment to Rigo because he has fought nobodies but still better than the likes of Smith but sure Andre Ward P4P 2 doe

Lmfao at anyone who has Ward in their top ten.

oh my god someone has an opinion lets insult them! ...not only that, he's fat

Just cause he gets scoops doesn't make him an expert. Karceno talks to arum sometimes. Doesn't make him any more of an expert of boxing knowledge how many fight he's been to? covered? how many managers, trainers, boxers, promoters, etc. has he talked to? met? for 20 yrs. now? you can disagree with him, you can think his opinions are stupid...... but if you think he doesn't know more than us, that's being ignorant. a lot of the guys on here don't even have HBO/SHOWTIME let alone buy PPV.

that's just goofy. dan has covered boxing for espn for 10 yrs. before that he covered boxing for yrs. at usa today. he talks to fighters, promoters, managers, trainers and boxing media. he is ringside for tons of fights or orders the ppv for fights he's not at. dan covered his first fight 20 yrs. ago. some guys here are barely over 20 yrs. old. you might not like his opinions but to say he's not more knowledgeable than guys here is ludicrous. Just cause he gets scoops doesn't make him an expert. Karceno talks to arum sometimes. Doesn't make him any more of an expert of boxing knowledge

dan is quite professional in his articles and reporting. you're confusing his reporting with chats and tweets. they're not the same thing. reporting, you have to be fair, unbiased, report with no commentary. tweets/chats is different. http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/9169005/guillermo-rigondeaux-bests-nonito-donaire-bores