GGG has a crap resume? What great wins did past MWs have by their 33rd fight?

Who should he fight. He is the most ducked fighter in boxing right now.

What did Hagler do that was so special in his first 10 years? Anyone? They can't possibly answer your questions because hate predominates their thinking. As soon as GGG executes a KO, his opponent, all of a sudden becomes automatically a bum. Floyd fans hate him simply because he's not black. He also don't have the boring style of running and clinching.

What did Hagler do that was so special in his first 10 years? Anyone?

You don't make any sense, you say a lot of MWs don't have top wins until later in their career, isn't 9 years later in someone's career? Hagler was only his 3rd year as a pro, yeah he suffered some early losses but he was a learning fighter and still developing physically. Heck the great Armstrong lost some early fights. You're argument doesn't hold any weight with regards to GGG. He has had the same number of fights now, 9 years after his debut that Hagler had in his first 3 years as a pro. It's not even comparable. Ok then tell me what did Hagler do that was so special in his first 10 years as a pro? Learning or developing, Hagler still lost against sub par comp. Sure he went on to do some exciting things but it doesn't change that he lost. I'm not trying to make GGG look like he's some great fighter. He still has much to prove. Like you, I want GGG to step it up with people in his own weight class.

You don't make any sense, you say a lot of MWs don't have top wins until later in their career, isn't 9 years later in someone's career? Hagler was only his 3rd year as a pro, yeah he suffered some early losses but he was a learning fighter and still developing physically. Heck the great Armstrong lost some early fights. You're argument doesn't hold any weight with regards to GGG. He has had the same number of fights now, 9 years after his debut that Hagler had in his first 3 years as a pro. It's not even comparable. His career pretty much started 3 years ago when he first appeared on HBO. Before that he was blackballed by his promoter, and prohibitive risk/reward. In these 3 years he's gone from zero to 6 routs over Ring top tenners (previously 0), all p4p lists, next HBO PPV A side in a title unification, with the mandate at lineal champ Canelo/Cotto.

How is Ward's resume better than Froch's? You're a good poster at times so I'm curious on why you think that. And like I said, a lot of Mexican boxers have been pro for many years racking up wins till they start really picking up. Margarito for example, it took him many years for that great win. What you're saying is that Hagler, within that short amount of time was feasting on a lot of easy comp. Easy comp that handled him two loses. I don't even think GGG is an ATG MW yet. He does needs those special victories. My question is based in the realms of reality because many boxers, especially MWs didn't have great victories till later in their career. Time being pro or not. While you have a point but I also have a point with the fights logic. Ok, what were the special victories that Monzon had in those 10 years in your opinion? You don't make any sense, you say a lot of MWs don't have top wins until later in their career, isn't 9 years later in someone's career? Hagler was only his 3rd year as a pro, yeah he suffered some early losses but he was a learning fighter and still developing physically. Heck the great Armstrong lost some early fights. You're argument doesn't hold any weight with regards to GGG. He has had the same number of fights now, 9 years after his debut that Hagler had in his first 3 years as a pro. It's not even comparable.

Pretty good if you ask me. I don't fully agree but you're entitled to your opinion as I am with mine. What do you think on Hagler's resume for the first 10 years?

Decent for 10 years. Not great right? Pretty good if you ask me.

10 years into Hagler's career, his resume absolutely craps all over GGGs. From 05/18/1973 - 05/18/1983, who were these killers on Hagler's resume??

Benvenuti x2 Bouttier x2, Griffith x2, Moyer, Briscoe. Decent. Decent for 10 years. Not great right?

10 years into Hagler's career, his resume absolutely craps all over GGGs.

How is Ward's resume better than Froch's? You're a good poster at times so I'm curious on why you think that. And like I said, a lot of Mexican boxers have been pro for many years racking up wins till they start really picking up. Margarito for example, it took him many years for that great win. What you're saying is that Hagler, within that short amount of time was feasting on a lot of easy comp. Easy comp that handled him two loses. I don't even think GGG is an ATG MW yet. He does needs those special victories. My question is based in the realms of reality because many boxers, especially MWs didn't have great victories till later in their career. Time being pro or not. While you have a point but I also have a point with the fights logic. Ok, what were the special victories that Monzon had in those 10 years in your opinion? Benvenuti x2 Bouttier x2, Griffith x2, Moyer, Briscoe. Decent.

Dirk lets his opinions fly no matter what. He was a pain on the neck when he was a Floyd hater, like IMDAZED. I'm glad he is now a pain on all of your asses. Those two were the only competition Floyd fans had. When they started praising Floyd, the Pac fans/Anti Floyd fans IQ's dropped to probably a negative number. Dirk and dazed were your only hope really. He shat on his own favorite fighter, Amir Khan, for his weak opposition and whining. He is doing the same to GGG. I doubt the guy actually cares about favorites when it comes to his opinions. He did a completel uturn on Khan, so I doubt he is "envious" of GGG. And please, stop with the Froch ducking GGG crap, Froch's resume was top 5 active behind May, Pac, Hop, Ward. GGG's resume is one of the worst of anyone in the P4P list. Gonzalez actually has a better resume and that's crazy because the guy rose to #1 with a guy who was 38-29 among other ridiculous opponents in 2015. How is Ward's resume better than Froch's? You're a good poster at times so I'm curious on why you think that. The problem is, your question is not based within the realms of reality. It's not always the number of fights but the stage at which you have those fights. Hagler for example had his 33rd fight in his 3rd year as a professional boxer aged around 22. He would go onto win the world title in his 6th or 7th year as a pro. GGG, and I'm a fan but he has been fighting since 2006 and has only just reached his 33rd bout. 10 years of experience and he's fighting guys like Willie Monroe. You know, it only hurts GG when you make comparisons like this. Let him carve out his own path, he has beaten 3 good MWs, there's potential fights with Canelo, Cotto, Quillin, Ward, DeGale et al down the line. If some of those fights come through, we'll see how he handles them and how or if he wins consistently. Then we can start talking about him as a top ATG mw. And like I said, a lot of Mexican boxers have been pro for many years racking up wins till they start really picking up. Margarito for example, it took him many years for that great win. What you're saying is that Hagler, within that short amount of time was feasting on a lot of easy comp. Easy comp that handled him two loses. I don't even think GGG is an ATG MW yet. He does needs those special victories. My question is based in the realms of reality because many boxers, especially MWs didn't have great victories till later in their career. Time being pro or not. You shoulda compare more their time in the ring, example ggg= 10 year pro, cuz in 10 years as pro Monzon had 92 fights and was the mw champ with defenses. While you have a point but I also have a point with the fights logic. Ok, what were the special victories that Monzon had in those 10 years in your opinion?

And SMW is any better? Do you really see DeGale or the Dirrells as competition for GGG? Groves? Jack? I don't see any one of them going the distance. Ah yes! There is Ward, though! The man who would be number 1 P4P if he only actually fought decent competition more than once every 5 years. The man who should himself be moving to LHW as everyone is saying how SMW has no challenges. He needs a MW to make his career. Forgot about him. Ward, Degale, Jack, Groves, Abraham & Dirrel (both) would easily slide in as GGGs #1 win.

Ward was also seen as second to last to win the Super 6, last place was Dirrell. Odds were: Kessler +200 Abraham +250 Froch +325 Taylor +700 Ward +500 Dirrell +1000 Of course now, anti-Ward/U.S. fans now claim MW is a tougher division than what SMW was when Ward was in the Super 6. Ward beat the top 3 favorites to win the Super 6 + in the meantime while waiting, beat Bika. Make a Super 6 of MW, and see who would be the favorite to win, GGG. And it's not because he is so great, it is just a division full of C and C+ fighters. Ward was an A fighter amateur, Olympic gold medalist, but there were 4 people in front of him favored to win the tourney. That says it all about the competition. Even now, Ward has a fellow Olympic Gold medalist and Bronze medalist in his division. And Jack would be no walk in the park either. This is also true. :boxing:

Golovkin and Ward's resumes are on two different stratospheres. Ward is 2 years younger. Ward has beaten 5 champions. 3 were current champions. 1 was a former champ. 1 was a future champ. 4 of 5 went on to win a title after facing Ward. Golovkin is 2 year older. Golovkin has beaten 2 champs. Both were former champs and past their best. In the case of Ouma, he was well past his best and fighting a division north of his title days. Ward is a gold medalist. Golovkin is a silver medalist. Ward wants to fight the best. He entered the S6 at 25 without any notable experience staring down Euro giants like Kessler, Abraham, and Froch. He is crusading for a fight with the #4 P4P fighter according to the Ring and has had discussions for a fight with the #3 P4P fighter according to the Ring. This is actually all true.

Haha burner. Williams got it bad because he managed to be a threat to three pretty big fanbases - Floyd, Cotto and Margarito. Those rapid fans hated on Williams hard because they didn't want their guy to fight him, besides Margarito. Wasn't no threat when quintana beat him.

GGG fights the best opponents who agree to fight him. He has never turned down a fight with a good middleweight to fight a lesser middleweight. Oh please cut the crap tureano johnson was rated higher than monroe jr.

You shoulda compare more their time in the ring, example ggg= 10 year pro, cuz in 10 years as pro Monzon had 92 fights and was the mw champ with defenses.

Golovkin has been openly ducked by Martinez, Sturm, Quillin, Chavez Jr. I don't think Froch ducked him, but I do think that if he had a chance to fight let's say DeGale and Golovkin he'd choose DeGale. And yes Dirk, I know he'd make more money on DeGale, but there's a difference between getting out pointed and getting knocked out in the twilight of your career. And Froch knew that. I don't think Martinez ducked GGG at all, in fact if he had remained fit, he would have taken on GGG. Martinez fought anyone and everyone who mattered in and around his division for a decade, from 154-160. Let's not act like he cherry picked his way to the top. By the time GGG was even somewhat known as a fighter and was appearing on HBO, it was late 2012 and Martinez was set to fight Chavez Jr in a much anticipated fight. At that point, Chavez Jr and Macklin, Martinez's previous 2012 opponent, had both done far more at MW than GGG. Not to mention they were bigger names. By 2013, when GGG started to establish himself, Martinez was coming off of some major hand and knee injuries and wanted a showcase fight at home, so he picked Murray, a guy who was a top 5 mw and should have maybe held a world title against Sturm. In 2013, in terms of MW standings, there's not much difference between Murray and GGG, although GGG was the more fearsome puncher, his achievements weren't stellar (same as now). By 2014, once again recovering from injuries and now 39 or so, he wanted one last, big payday. He definitely wasn't getting that versus GGG and it's difficult to turn down a PPV fight against Cotto. Who would do that? Martinez ended up losing badly. If he had won and looked healthy, I have no doubt Martinez v GGG would have happened this year. Sadly Sergio was done. He was done post chavez Jr in reality.