So we probably all agree that Mayweather at moment ranks hire than Wlad. But what will happen in future?
Where does Wlad rank if he takes out the nearest slew of HW contenders? He's got some pretty decent names coming against him.
No matter what he does Wlad can't make those KO losses disappear so most fans will never rate him as good as Mayweather who has never lost or even been knocked down. I like Wlad. He is a great champion but I can't rate him as high as Mayweather.
So we probably all agree that Mayweather at moment ranks hire than Wlad. But what will happen in future?
Where does Wlad rank if he takes out the nearest slew of HW contenders? He's got some pretty decent names coming against him.
Klitschko falls to **** whenever he gets hit clean by any punch of significance, and that's kinda how it is.
History will definitely look kindly on his long string of title defenses, but history will also look even more kindly on Mayweather as Canelo proves his worth as a fighter/draw and the historians recall how Floyd routed him (seeing Oscar, Miguel, Mosley, Gatti, Corralles, Castillo, and other opponents pile into the hall of fame also would help).
What's floyd's best win to match Pac's wins over Morales? Castillo. That's it.
I think Castillo beat him the first time.
No. That's not it. Erik morales was pretty much done after his first fight with pac. He was a good if her but after that win his time as a world class fighter was over. U want to pick and choose wins and losses but u ignore that huh? A past prime Erik morales beat pac in his first fight and then from there it was all downhill. Lost to ****ing Zahir Raheem and David Diaz.
Quantity does not beat Quality.
A win over Ortiz is not the same as having a winning record in a trilogy against Erik Morales. A win over Robert Guerrero is not the same as beating Barrera twice.
If you can't recognize this, then you don't know your boxing. Pac's wins over Barrera and Morales trumps everything on Floyd's resume. Floyd's best and only win that would put him in the same running as Pac is Castillo and I think Castillo beat him the first fight.
And he didn't beat Pac in his prime. No matter how much you love Floyd and how much you hate pac, you can't sit there and tell me Floyd beat Pac in his prime.
He did not fight Pac in his prime. Period. Fact.
Not even the biggest Floyd hugger and Pac hater can say he fought Pac in his prime. That did not happen.
Pac's win over a past prime Morales coming off a loss? Yea but he doesn't know his boxing history.
If we're being honest and objective, Pacquiao accomplished more than both of them.
Floyd beating Pac when he's past his prime doesn't erase what Pac did. Floyd's best win that would put him in the same running as Pac was Jose Luis Castillo.
Now compare that 1 win vs Morales, Barrera and Marquez. Objectively, I don't count Floyd win over marquez as legitamate because if you're being honest, then that fight was not on an even playing field.
Yea he is a 32 time champion
but how did Manny accomplish more??
Floyd won
1-More titles
2-Just as many lineal titles
3-Beat more world champions
4-won more title fights
5-AND BEAT MANNY
So we probably all agree that Mayweather at moment ranks hire than Wlad. But what will happen in future?
Where does Wlad rank if he takes out the nearest slew of HW contenders? He's got some pretty decent names coming against him.
Lets see Wlad never used steroids and he knock people out. Floyd used steroids and bores you with a 12 round run and hug. No brainer Wlad
Chocolatito and Rigo are the p4p kings and Wlad is a C- talent compared to either of them. He does NOTHING better than they do in a ring other than setting it up and tearing it down maybe!
These people are on videos all over the net, just watch them fight and you can see who had Methods and who applies Techniques to their Methods.
Ofcourse if you don't know anything about boxing you can't SEE what professional boxing people see. There are right & wrong ways to box.
Ray
Obviously still Pac. Floyd is a known steroid cheat(USADA, Heredia, Lance Armstrong, TMT gym steroid rats), and had every possible advantage in all his fights for ages and was beaten by Castillo. The way he carried himself and the way he did business (ducking, retiring, letting everyone else fight each other in their primes, waiting for Manny to get KO'd and fade) disqualifies him from being considered the best.
Pacquaio/Wlad number 1, B-Hop number second or third.
I love how Floyd's now the cheater for having water and vitamins injected into his system, but Pac has never touched PEDs even though he turned down the initial fight because he refused to take the drug test, and ever since he was accused of PED use he suddenly lost his punching power overnight, almost as if he stopped using something.... lol but keep hating on Floyd. He goes down as TBE and has never been beaten.
So we probably all agree that Mayweather at moment ranks hire than Wlad. But what will happen in future?
Where does Wlad rank if he takes out the nearest slew of HW contenders? He's got some pretty decent names coming against him.
Obviously still Pac. Floyd is a known steroid cheat(USADA, Heredia, Lance Armstrong, TMT gym steroid rats), and had every possible advantage in all his fights for ages and was beaten by Castillo. The way he carried himself and the way he did business (ducking, retiring, letting everyone else fight each other in their primes, waiting for Manny to get KO'd and fade) disqualifies him from being considered the best.
Pacquaio/Wlad number 1, B-Hop number second or third.