One thing about PBC is weekends without boxing are rare

It's been a couple weeks now, hasn't it? Kind of sucks. lol ya exactly thanks to pbc we now have boxing pretty much every single week and multiple cards were so used to it now people forget how little fights there used to be at times

Yeah and it's nice. Having boxing on every weekend just to have showcase fights gets old. When you're always watching it you don't appreciate when there's an actual good card it's just another in the long line PBC's spammatching approach.

I agree but I'm spoiled now. There was nothing on this weekend but a Unimas card that I didn't care about.

It's been a couple weeks now, hasn't it? Kind of sucks.

It is not bad at all,people just want to Hate because Haymon is associated with Mayweather so there lies the hate point blank period end of discussion. You get to watch boxing on a regular basis i see no problem. Hell no one cried over the sh1t fights on Friday night fights Really the main issue for me, well one of the main issues, is that this damn "cold war" crap only got worse when PBC took off. Now you have these PBC mismatches that are being orchestrated to keep champs from facing tough challenges. There have also been numerous instances of shady officiating and scoring that were obviously in place to set up certain title fights. I know that this stuff happens in fights that aren't PBC fights but you have to take in account how the boxing scene (pun intended) is now saturated with PBC boxers and how many fights being shown are PBC fights. It's like 7 or 8 out of 10 fights on TV are now PBC fights and out of the 10 fights, 4 or 5 will have some kind of shady activity. Also, for FNF, the entire feel was better than PBC is. I have actually missed several PBC cards and not even bothered to watch the recording or there have been fights that I have fallen asleep during either because the action was so lacking or the fight was so meaningless. FNF gave the fans fights that produced action more often than not and a lot of the guys on FNF went on to become notable boxers. Having boxing on all the time is good thing up to a point. When the fights become diluted and there are 3 cards on in a week, that only exacerbates the let down feeling that you get. I doubt casual viewers are actively seeking out these cards and when they are on, they aren't leaving with a sense of "Why the hell haven't I been keeping track of boxing, this stuff is awesome". There have been several good fights although compared to the vast majority that aren't quality, they seem to be few and far between.

I could also see a time when pbs starts their own streaming app where u can watch all the fights for 10$ a month just like wwe did

The thing about not liking Haymon because of Mayweather is entirely untrue, at least in my case. I am, and have consistently been since I got into boxing, a Floyd fan. That doesn't mean I excuse everything he does, because sometimes he's frustrating as hell. But in general I appreciate his greatness and root for him when he fights. That said, I can't stand Haymon's involvement in boxing today. In 2013 I was okay with him, because even though I saw him as the primary reason for the "cold wars" in boxing, he was still involved in putting together a lot of GREAT cards on Showtime. Since then he's had a dismal 2014 (seriously...he insulted every boxing fan with some of those cards and matchups) and a so-so 2015. Let's not forget, for every LSC-Mares, there are 5 or 10 Quillin-Strippers. Friday Night Fights never advertised itself the way this does. We're supposed to accept whatever bad matchups are forced down our throats, and they expect this will turn their young fighters into stars. News flash: it won't happen. A fighter needs to overcome the odds to become a star. That's what Lemieux is trying to do in October. That's what Quillin, Jacobs, Garcia (post Matthysse), Wilder, Thurman, Figueroa etc etc. never have to do. Because they're with Al, and he protects them. thats fair but if you take a step back and look the reason for a lot of those pitiful matchups was haymon was getting pbc together. they were going thru litigation figuring out which fighters he controlled all that. He did have some pitiful matchups there is no question but i think there was more to it then meets the eye. Also the fact that he has so much air time for fighters that means these fighters are getting tv time on their way up so it seems like there is more cherry picking then their really is where as someone like top rank dont have as much air time and u only see their best fights. I do think the in house is un fair cause when you look at it his fighters have actually fought a ton of guys not connected to haymon. Algieri Khan for example. Really the only people haymon has not worked with are fighters with exclusive deals to hbo main events and top rank. Ya we have not seen him work with hbo and top rank but if you really look into it there is way more blame that goes with that side then people care to admit. Haymon gets all the blame which actually is not fair when you actually do some research. I totally get the critique for haymon and the showcases he put on there for a 2 year period or so but its looking more and more like it was because he was getting his pbc stuff together. Now he is making better and better fights we just got to hope the ratings reflect big matchups if the ratings are way better for matchups such as santa cruz and mares you can bet your bottom dollar it will continue. There are some disappointments like thurman or stevenson but for the most part his guys are starting to fight eachother. Only time will tell but there is no reason to think guys like thurman and khan wont start fighting eachother. The other thing is a year from now haymon will have way more fighters which means way more bigger fights. Some of the rumored fighters are mikey garcia, rigondeux, haye etc etc. PBC is slowly starting to come together and there is no doubt in my mind its going to become big in the boxing community. Well see what happens but as long as haymon continues the trend of putting on bigger and better fights stubborn fans will come along. He is starting to sign more fan friendly type fighters as well which will help. The one thing we were all scared of me included was that judging and what not would be ridiculously pbc friendly. But when you actually look at how its gone down the judging has actually been very fair. The closest thing to being drama was the garcia peterson fight. But for example dirrel degale i think its safe to say that fight put to rest those fears. Im sure we will see bad decisions but actually the judging has been more fair in pbc then other promoters. I dont know at the end of the day im not trying to be a pbc fan boy im just a glass half full kind of boxing fan and I see what pbc can become. If haymon can keep putting on bigger fights even if their are bad ones in between i think the fans will come along and the ratings will grow. If pbc works it will be beyond big for boxing and fans alike. They will make deals with these networks when the time buys are over and at that point the networks will have more pull on what fights haymon puts on. I just hope the hate for haymon does not ruin a potentially game changing thing. If it works not only will pbc be entertaining as hell but it will force the others to work with him.

The thing about not liking Haymon because of Mayweather is entirely untrue, at least in my case. I am, and have consistently been since I got into boxing, a Floyd fan. That doesn't mean I excuse everything he does, because sometimes he's frustrating as hell. But in general I appreciate his greatness and root for him when he fights. That said, I can't stand Haymon's involvement in boxing today. In 2013 I was okay with him, because even though I saw him as the primary reason for the "cold wars" in boxing, he was still involved in putting together a lot of GREAT cards on Showtime. Since then he's had a dismal 2014 (seriously...he insulted every boxing fan with some of those cards and matchups) and a so-so 2015. Let's not forget, for every LSC-Mares, there are 5 or 10 Quillin-Strippers. Friday Night Fights never advertised itself the way this does. We're supposed to accept whatever bad matchups are forced down our throats, and they expect this will turn their young fighters into stars. News flash: it won't happen. A fighter needs to overcome the odds to become a star. That's what Lemieux is trying to do in October. That's what Quillin, Jacobs, Garcia (post Matthysse), Wilder, Thurman, Figueroa etc etc. never have to do. Because they're with Al, and he protects them.

this has always been my understandingThere is no more to it point blank period,anyone associated with Floyd is hated...Oscar was the devil until Floyd stopped dealing with him now all the sudden he is saving boxing. He has always put up good fights but they were blinded by this bullsh1t pick sides war...Haymon has given up more fights to watch with world class fighters...ENJOY

It's not only because he's associated with Mayweather. Haymon be doing made scumbag sh1t bro. You know this too. Like what man?? all i know is i get to see a whole lot more boxing and thats all i care about,watching boxing

thank you thats what we need to get back to. the reality is the product is improving for the fans on all sides and the competition is improving and the competition will only continue to improve the match making. this is real competition now and the winners in that are the fans. Ya we might have fights we might not get to see because of it which sucks it does but thats going to happen regardless with the the network contracting fighters and such. i just feel pbc in that sense is doing good for the sport i think it truly is building competition which is making for more and better fights for the fans. I hate arum think hes a piece of **** but i ndont want to see him fail or his fighters fail etc. i still get excited if he makes big fights Yes. Arum is awful but I still tune in. As for Haymon, I don't necessarily approve of everything he does (like the rumor of a Haymon belt which seems to have died down, and him trying to keep all the fights "in-house"). He's put on mismatches as well as good, competitive, fights but if he's doing it to build stars and match them up in the future then it's understandable. I won't complain about more boxing on TV

PBC will be fine for a Promotion, Company or what ever that is only 6 Month Old. Fans are thinking Short Term while Haymon is likely think LONG TERM. He has Multiple Networks at his Disposal for the next few years, it is no need to rush and do all of your match ups this early. Sit back and let them boil over and let fans keep b1tching and let your competition shoot their load. Then maybe next year you start to pull out the big guns and blow the competition away because by then they really won't have many options. http://i.imgur.com/9ycWtQu.gif But yes, I love having Boxing Every Weekend, I don't care about College Football taking away ratings from Boxing, if you can still turn in decent ratings vs College Football that is an accomplishment. Boxing has it fans, not everybody is an American Football Fan

It is not bad at all,people just want to Hate because Haymon is associated with Mayweather so there lies the hate point blank period end of discussion. You get to watch boxing on a regular basis i see no problem. Hell no one cried over the sh1t fights on Friday night fights this has always been my understanding

Thanks Al.

Exactly. I'm here to watch fights not pick sides and moan about who's delivering them. Pumped for LSC vs Mares. thank you thats what we need to get back to. the reality is the product is improving for the fans on all sides and the competition is improving and the competition will only continue to improve the match making. this is real competition now and the winners in that are the fans. Ya we might have fights we might not get to see because of it which sucks it does but thats going to happen regardless with the the network contracting fighters and such. i just feel pbc in that sense is doing good for the sport i think it truly is building competition which is making for more and better fights for the fans. I hate arum think hes a piece of **** but i ndont want to see him fail or his fighters fail etc. i still get excited if he makes big fights

It's called a paragraph folks.

so i was thinking all the back and fourth about if pbc is bad or good or whatever. We all know that in the year or so building up to pbc haymon matched his fighters beyond weak to make names. PBC has had its share of mismatches but to be fair no more then any other promoter or network. But pbc is also making more good matches then people want to admit for whatever reason. Cruz vs Mares is a hell of a fight broner vs porter was great guerrero vs thurman no complaints. you never know whats going to happen in the ring but as far as trying to make big fights pbc is trying. The reason I write this thread is all we hear about are what people dont like about pbc and people try to even make the good things pbc does look bad for whatever reason. PBC is good in many ways think about it look what HBO has done since PBC took off. They are putting on better fights cause of competition. Ya you have Kovalev and GGG still fighting mismatches but GGG is now fighting Lemieux a fight i think makes perfect sense. even if ggg should fight ward it wont be till after he fights winner canelo cotto anyway. But my point is pbc is also making the other networks and promoters better. HBO and even the promoters look at the fights gbp has been making trying to stay relevant. If you guys think all this is happening by chance you are not paying attention. Also some people will argue that to much boxing is a bad thing im not one of them. I could care less if such and such fight has low ratings cause people are boxed out. For boxing fans the more fight cards on tv the better. Now im sure this will turn into a back n fourth but I hope people can see where im coming from. PBC is not near as bad for boxing as people say and in my opinion its good for boxing in more ways then meets the eye I completely agree. Of course there is positives and negatives to PBC. For one, because you have a large degree of harsh critics on each side of the spectrum it is forcing the platforms to be more competitive. HBO has had to raise the bar and push for the quintessential "entertaining" fights that need to happen inside their stars divisions. Haymon is taking a more orthodox approach and selling fights solely on the basis of which names sound "good" with each other. The match ups seem great but under close examination you have one guy who SHOULD win and the other who might have been able to beat said fighter on their best night in their prime. How much a fighter has fallen off from their prime really isn't taken into consideration with PBC. Only thing that seems to matter is resume vs resume. And I will say this, even though Porter vs Broner was not as aesthetically pleasing as we thought it would be, it was still a great match up for PBC. Same with Garcia and Lamont that needed to happen. But with Porter vs Broner, Porter was not supposed to win and Haymon was taking a gamble. That's why you had that whole 145 lb catchweight and rehydration clause fiasco. They did everything in their power to hinder Porters performance but luckily backed off the rehydration clause. Of course Malinaggi vs Garcia who knows what was with that. Sounds like some back door deals where Paulie was promised a fight almost like with Berto for Mayweather. My other complaint is with Thurman. Here you have Thurman. A young in his prime lion, and he is fighting guys who are clearly passed it and never were good to begin with. Spence is a viable opponent but Thurman claims his stock is worth much more then Spence and deserves a better more proven name. One of the things I am most surprised about which I assumed PBC would be doing is having PBC's stable fight much more often. I mean you got guys like Algieri, Broner, Khan, Lamont, and many many more who should be fighting much more often and raising there stock. Instead it's just like they are going through the motions of fighting bum, okay opponent, good opponent...repeat. I just assumed with this platform of having cable access for fights they would want to be fighting as much as possible.

I don't see the link between PBC's existence and HBO putting on good cards. HBO has always had high profile fights. If anything HBO's quality has decreased because of a lack of fighters to choose from. Regarding Golovkin, he isn't fighting Lemieux because HBO is forcing him because the PBC is around. He's fighting Lemieux because Lemieux is down to fight him on PPV. Golovkin fought Martin Murray earlier in the year and lets not forget Golovkin would be fighting Cotto right now but Cotto chose Daniel Geale and now Canelo. Prior to that he would have fought better opponents as well if there were middleweights willing to step up. But thats where im coming from when i say different standards. All sides match making needs improvement the one going above and beyond is oscar but i feel hes doing it cause he has no choice i mean what choice does he have really? hes got 3 fighters people care about It's also worth noting that there was a mass exodus to Haymon/PBC. So HBO's talent pool is much smaller now. They work with non-Haymon guys only (k2, main events, Top Rank, etc). HBO has the smallest "roster" of fighters they've ever had since showing boxing. If PBC didn't exist, it's safe to assume HBO would have a much wider range of fighters on their network, but as it is now they are limited. It's also worth noting we aren't getting any HBO vs PBC fights, like GGG vs Quillin/Jacobs/Lara, Stevenson vs Kovalev, Rigondeaux vs Santa Cruz/et al, Lomachenko vs Santa Cruz/et al, and so on and so forth. PBC is both good and bad in that regard. Good that boxing is consistently on TV across tons of networks. That's awesome. Bad because they havent put up consistently good fights (match making kinda sucks) and because of the HBO vs Haymon fued mentioned above. Hopefully the matchmaking improves. I don't know if Richard Schaefer is still going to join PBC whenever he is free to do so, but if/when he does I reckon we'll start to see a better product. no question the thing we were scared of most tho that haymon wouldnt let his fighters enter purse bids has been shown to hold no water. if both sides were at least willing to enter purse bids it wouldnt be so bad but ya no question that is one thing that is not good. but lets be honest look at arum and oscar they went on a media campaign talking about ending the cold war and they still dont make fights together hardly at all none meaningful at least that i can think of. But thats kinda where im coming from the match making is improving on pbc side and no credit is given the different standards is what gets me. you got a guy like arum who has been showcasing and fighting in house as long as i can remember and you dont hear the same bashing towards arum.

It is not bad at all,people just want to Hate because Haymon is associated with Mayweather so there lies the hate point blank period end of discussion. You get to watch boxing on a regular basis i see no problem. Hell no one cried over the sh1t fights on Friday night fights Exactly. I'm here to watch fights not pick sides and moan about who's delivering them. Pumped for LSC vs Mares.

It is not bad at all,people just want to Hate because Haymon is associated with Mayweather so there lies the hate point blank period end of discussion. You get to watch boxing on a regular basis i see no problem. Hell no one cried over the sh1t fights on Friday night fights It's not only because he's associated with Mayweather. Haymon be doing made scumbag sh1t bro. You know this too.