The mystique of Floyd Mayweather

Fearless_Angel10y ago

Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages if you’re lazy as fvck and don’t like to read don’t complain that I didn’t warned you, this is a long thick ass thread. And of course if you’re not down with that I got two words for ya, SUCK IT!!! First I wanna say that I’m not a Floyd Mayweather hater. I’m not one of those idiots that wishes he gets ko’d every time he fights. I believe that he’s definitely TBE for the way he promotes himself outside the ring, the amount of money he’s able to generate every time he fights and because he beat the system. He didn’t let these greedy promoters and managers **** around with his money, and for that, God bless him. I wish more fighters would make the same amount of money he makes. I hope he’s smart with his money so he can take care of his family for generations to come. I also don’t hate his style of fighting, I like watching the art of defensive fighters move around in the ring, slipping, sliding and blocking punches because not everybody can do that. People think that’s easy to do but it isn’t. That requires a lot of energy, great instincts, great footwork, great reflexes and a lot of practice and repetitions in the gym. Plus you leave the sport with your health intact because at the end of the day people don’t give a fvck about you. The media and fans are not going to pay your bills and take care of your family when you retire. Now I make this thread because I’ve never seen a fighter here in the US (Las Vegas) get so much respect from the judges and the media like Mayweather does. Obviously Mayweather is the hometown fighter every time he fights in Vegas and he has all the advantages fighting there. It’s no different than a foreign fighter fighting in his own country during his entire career. You can tell how confident he’s of getting the decision after having a tough fight. The only two times I saw concern in him was in the DLH and Canelo fights. Obviously DLH was the lead promoter in their fight and the CJ Robs scorecard in the Canelo fight was atrocious. When Mayweather fights in Vegas everybody wins the casinos, hotels, etc. because he attracts a lot people to his events and he generates so much money for the city. He fights, he wins and everybody leaves happy with a big pile of cash. Put simply, Mayweather losing isn’t good business for Las Vegas. You also have the HBO and Showtime commentators deepthroating Mayweather’s cawk hardcore style in all his fights. I won’t be surprised if Papa Haymon gives them a nice bonus to praise Mayweather like a god. It’s no different than what politicians do with certain channels to feed their agenda. You repeat the same bullsh1t over and over again and sooner or later people will start to believe everything you say. If a round is close they say that Mayweather clearly won, if Mayweather clearly loses a round they say that the round was close and could’ve gone either way. If you are not in his chest the entire fight throwing punches you’re clearly losing the round, which it’s not always the case. And if you are in his chest the entire fight throwing punches Floyd is like an octopus that has 8 arms and blocks every punch according to them. It’s almost like if you don’t beat Mayweather within an inch of his life you don’t win a round, period. Don’t get me wrong this happens with other fighters as well that they’re trying to hype. A lot of times I’m watching a fight that’s very close and competitive and they’re telling everybody that the fight is a complete whitewash in favor of X fighter. There’s also a lot of times when I think X fighter is clearly winning and they’re saying that the fight is really close and I say to myself, what on earth are these cunts watching? I only score rounds based on who lands the more clean punches round by round: jabs, uppercuts, hooks to the body, etc. Punches that look flashy and land nothing but air and gloves mean nothing. All these other BS about ring generalship, effective aggression or whatever is just to confuse people that don’t know what to judge when they are watching a fight and also to protect the corrupt judges. You can move around all you want but if you’re not landing punches you’re not being effective and the same goes with pressure fighters, you can throw a million punches and move forward but if you’re not landing that’s not being effective. Like I said, I feel like a lot of people are confuse as fvck when they are scoring a fight or they are bias as fvck towards fighters with certain styles or backgrounds. Before every fight people show favoritism towards one of the two fighters and if that fighter lands 1 or 2 good punches that’s enough for them to give him the round, no matter what happens the rest of the round. I also don’t pay attention to compubox numbers that’s just a guy playing Game Boy with two buttons. I’ve done this experiment many times. I count how many punches each fighter lands and a lot of times the numbers are way off. Sometimes a fighter lands 30+ punches and they say he only landed 15, other times a fighter lands 10 punches and they say he landed 20+ punches. I remember a fight a long time ago like in the late 90’s or early 2000’s (I don’t remember who was fighting) that the HBO crew put the compubox numbers live on tv at the same time the boxers were fighting, and one of the fighters threw like a 6 punch combination and landed 4 and the compubox guy counted 4 punches thrown and 2 landed. So judging a fight based on compubox numbers is stupid and pointless. Floyd has strong connections inside the Nevada commission. Think about it, when CJ Robs had Bradley winning the first fight against Pacquiao (a robbery), that hoe continued to work as a judge in other fights like nothing happened. But when she had a draw in Floyd’s fight against Canelo because in her opinion Canelo was the younger and stronger fighter (WTF, that’s a new criteria of scoring a fight?), she took a “little vacation” to refresh her mind of work. Probably the cunt was suspended or she was pressured to get out of boxing. I don’t know if she’s still working as a judge right now. Floyd’s undefeated record is a myth. He has lost a few times. But hey, that’s his biggest promotional tool. He walks around telling everybody that he’s undefeated, that nobody has the blueprint to beat him and that nobody can break the May Vinci code, LOL. Obviously the casual fans that know nothing or very little about the sport and his groupies of course buy that crap. He’s right tho when he says that no matter who he beats or how he wins people will always criticize him and hate on him. A fighter can be a 100-1 underdog, pull the upset and win, and still get zero credit. The opponent, somebody from the opponent’s camp or the fans always come up with a million excuses. You beat an entire army you’re overrated, you lose you’re the biggest bum on earth, that’s the logic a lot of boxing fans use these days. That’s why all these fighters are businessmen first, fighters second and don’t give two fvcks about it because at the end of the day people will complain and moan no matter what, and I don’t blame them. I’m not trying to diminish his accomplishments. He’s definitely a hall of famer, no doubt. He beat a lot of decent and good fighters and he competed at a high level for almost 2 decades. The only knock you can have on his resume is that the best fighters he beat were past their primes. He had the chance to do something special between 2007 and 2008, when the WW division was hot, full with big, young, strong welterweights, but he retired. He didn’t have to fight everybody, but if he fought at least 2 of those fighters in their primes, his resume would have been sealed as an ATG. When people start saying he’s the GOAT, that he’s invincible or that he’s the perfect fighter and that nobody in the history of mankind can beat him that’s when he starts to become overrated.

Comments (20)

Fearless_Angel

True. This kind of thread are far too rare in existence and the TS ends up in idiocy for disclosing the intellectual emptiness of the sport that cannot accommodate his views. People find comfort in what's perceived the "correct" or "popular" opinion in the public's eye. It's like that kid in school that does whatever the other kids tell them to do, so he can fit in the group and look cool in their eyes. I'm not talking outta my ass when I say Castillo and Maidana won all 4 fights against Floyd. I saw those fights, scored them and to me they won more rounds because they landed more punches than Floyd in the majority of the rounds. If people dont like my opinion, fvck it.

10y ago

Fearless_Angel

Floyd isn't overated in that he is hard to land punches on. But to be considered a great fighter you need more than that. He was a better fighter than Corrales, and Gatti, that was clear. But against Pac he wasn't. He lost to Maidana in the first fight and Castillo as well in the first fight. The Pac fight was close and competitive. Most people believed Floyd to have beat Pac on the night as Pac didn't do what most thought he would, so the feeling was that must mean Floyd won? But replays show FLoyd did jack. Just because you get your opponents output down, don't mean to say you beat them. And Maidanas punch output was high and this time, the judges just think they can assme Maidanas punches aren't landing. All Floyd has to do is shake his head, and that is a cue for the judges to not score punches land on him. At one point in the Pac vs Floyd fight, Floyd resembled a punch bag, and Pac wasa unloading on his body and face like a heavy bag. Floyd shakes his head as if that didn't hurt me, or even didn't land? If floyd doesn't acknowledge the punches hurting him, or landing on him, the judges also don't? Somethings not right here. I dont see it man, I dont think the Pacquiao fight was close at all. Neither of them looked great, but Pacquiao didnt land enough punches in most rounds to make the fight competitve. If the fight had taken place 5 or 6 years ago I think it would've been more competitive and interesting. Right now Floyd has every advantage. Pacquiao's suerb speed, power and stamina isnt there anymore. But I dont put all the blame on Floyd for the fight not happening much earlier.

10y ago

Spoon23

Floyd isn't overated in that he is hard to land punches on. But to be considered a great fighter you need more than that. He was a better fighter than Corrales, and Gatti, that was clear. But against Pac he wasn't. He lost to Maidana in the first fight and Castillo as well in the first fight. The Pac fight was close and competitive. Most people believed Floyd to have beat Pac on the night as Pac didn't do what most thought he would, so the feeling was that must mean Floyd won? But replays show FLoyd did jack. Just because you get your opponents output down, don't mean to say you beat them. And Maidanas punch output was high and this time, the judges just think they can assme Maidanas punches aren't landing. All Floyd has to do is shake his head, and that is a cue for the judges to not score punches land on him. At one point in the Pac vs Floyd fight, Floyd resembled a punch bag, and Pac wasa unloading on his body and face like a heavy bag. Floyd shakes his head as if that didn't hurt me, or those didn't land? If Flooyd doesn't acknowledge the punches landing on him, the judges also don't? Somethings not right here. Excellent post. In other words. Vegas loves Floyd.

10y ago

hugh_grant

10y ago

seanthetaxi

If you are too lazy/stupid to read the thread, or simply uninterested in the thread, then why post in it? GTFO. I find it interesting how the Floyd fans automatically assume you are hating when in reality it's a fairly nuanced take on his career. As for the judging, I don't know whether there is direct corruption but there is certainly a great deal of incentive for Vegas judges to award him favorable decisions. It benefits their careers and the city as a whole. Not to claim he has or hasn't been gifted decisions, because I don't consider myself informed enough to comment on that. But it is certainly a possibility given his position. True. This kind of thread are far too rare in existence and the TS ends up in idiocy for disclosing the intellectual emptiness of the sport that cannot accommodate his views.

10y ago

Fearless_Angel

You bring up very good points. Of course alot of punches Maidana threw didnt count but he won more rounds than he was counted. Thats why even though Im not a hater and like watching Mayweather outclass opponents...The Berto fight is really looking like a mismatch unless virgil hunter has a really smart gameplan or 5 hour energy to give him If a fighter throws a punch and connects clear to the body or head of his opponent, that punch clearly counts. And Maidana landed a lot of those. Berto and Khan are layups for Mayweather, easy fights for him. But sh1t if I'm Mayweather and they pay me 30+ million dollars to fight Berto, I would take it. If Berto pulls the upset and beats Floyd, forget about Tyson vs Douglas, that will be the biggest upset in the history of boxing.

10y ago

taken250

10y ago

Fearless_Angel

It means he is a Ring General that controls an opponents positioning with range and speed by not allowing the opponent to get set to punch by continually off footing them or forcing them to reach , on top of this Floyd is a master at reading an opponents moves before the opponent tries the move which makes them become more wary to fire as the fight goes on , this is what makes him such a great defensive counter puncher . And all of this is what forces Floyds opponents to fight Floyds fight and literally shuts them down to the lowest output of their careers , if you bum rush and throw a lot of wild punches at Floyd you will have the highest miss percentage of your career . When you understand boxing Floyd is truly great at what he does . Ok, I get that. Floyd is a brilliant boxer, that’s undeniable. One of the smartest boxers of this era. Hopkins is extremely smart inside the ring and he has a few losses. But to say he wins all the time because “he’s fighting his type of fight”, to me that’s a very vague response. That’s like saying Brandon Rios wins every time “fighting his fight” because all he does is come forward and throw punches. For example, if Mayweather is doing his thing, moving around the ring, clinching here and there, but he’s landing more punches than his opponent, he clearly wins the round. But, if he’s moving, clinching a lot and only lands a couple of punches, and his opponent lands 10 more punches than him, I can’t give the round to Floyd just because he didn’t took a beating. Like I said only the three guys I mentioned gave him the most trouble because they forced him to fight at a faster pace, landed a lot of punches (head and body) and made him uncomfortable. He dominated pretty much everyone else. JMM is one of my favorite fighters of all time and when people say he got robbed against John I agree with them, that was a blatant robbery. But when I hear people say he got robbed against Norwood, I cringe. Probably because they heard all this noise about the Lederman scorecard and whatnot. To me Norwood clearly won that fight. There's nothing wrong with being honest.

10y ago

Reloaded

"Fighting his type of fight" what does that even mean? LOL. In the boxing community people have grown accustomed with viewing Mayweather as an undefeated fighter that nobody can touch. And if you say he has lost a few times they look at you like you're an alien from another planet. If you dont bow down to everything he says, you're a hater. Thats why i said that if you dont beat him within an inch of his life, you're not winning a round against him. But Mayweather can complain and question the judges decision in other fights, and its not a problem. I've seen him do that a lot of times. Just recently he said that Ali really lost to Norton and i agree with him. Even my old man dont agree with people saying that Ali is the GOAT. He tells me that a lot of people say that because of what he was able to accomplish outside the ring. It means he is a Ring General that controls an opponents positioning with range and speed by not allowing the opponent to get set to punch by continually off footing them or forcing them to reach , on top of this Floyd is a master at reading an opponents moves before the opponent tries the move which makes them become more wary to fire as the fight goes on , this is what makes him such a great defensive counter puncher . And all of this is what forces Floyds opponents to fight Floyds fight and literally shuts them down to the lowest output of their careers , if you bum rush and throw a lot of wild punches at Floyd you will have the highest miss percentage of your career . When you understand boxing Floyd is truly great at what he does .

10y ago

Fearless_Angel

That's not the message, retard. I'm not threatening you. I'm giving you advice on what to do because of your stupid actions (action being making this **** thread). I chuckle, no lie :banana:

10y ago

Fearless_Angel

If you are too lazy/stupid to read the thread, or simply uninterested in the thread, then why post in it? GTFO. I find it interesting how the Floyd fans automatically assume you are hating when in reality it's a fairly nuanced take on his career. As for the judging, I don't know whether there is direct corruption but there is certainly a great deal of incentive for Vegas judges to award him favorable decisions. It benefits their careers and the city as a whole. Not to claim he has or hasn't been gifted decisions, because I don't consider myself informed enough to comment on that. But it is certainly a possibility given his position. Thank you! If you have to time to watch and score his fights, go ahead and tell me what you think about them.

10y ago

Fearless_Angel

Mayweather is great at controlling the pace of a fight. It's hard to look good against him. The Pacquiao fight was an example of how he's able to take a great offensive fighter and minimize their effectiveness. That is one of the reason he gets the benefit the doubt in close fights. Castillo and Maidana I were close but at best they were draws. Only people that don't like him consider those fights as losses. The Cotto fight was not close to me. He had one good round and the others were either close with a slight edge for Cotto (1 or 2 rounds) or clearly won by Mayweather. There is no home cooking for Mayweather. It's just hard for judges to rule against him because he is so good at fighting his type of fight no matter who the opposition is... Incidentally, I thought the Hatton fight was a lot closer and the KO saved it from a being a controversial decision. "Fighting his type of fight" what does that even mean? LOL. In the boxing community people have grown accustomed with viewing Mayweather as an undefeated fighter that nobody can touch. And if you say he has lost a few times they look at you like you're an alien from another planet. If you dont bow down to everything he says, you're a hater. Thats why i said that if you dont beat him within an inch of his life, you're not winning a round against him. But Mayweather can complain and question the judges decision in other fights, and its not a problem. I've seen him do that a lot of times. Just recently he said that Ali really lost to Norton and i agree with him. Even my old man dont agree with people saying that Ali is the GOAT. He tells me that a lot of people say that because of what he was able to accomplish outside the ring.

10y ago

Fearless_Angel

I actually agree with a lot of what you said TS, I just don't feel Floyd has ever lost clearly. I thought that Castillo edged their first fight and lost the rematch, I also feel Cotto did better than given credit for in the scorecards, but nothing close enough to warrant a rematch. I thought the first Maidana fight was a draw, and Floyd won the second one. Other than that I pretty much agree with what you posted. Especially the thought about more fighters making more money, I just wish it didn't come at the cost of not seeing the best face the best because of networks, promotors, adviser, and all that bullcrap. If by clear you mean Floyd losing 9 or 10 rounds in a fight, I agree nobody has won 9 or 10 rounds against him. But Castillo in the first fight won 8 rounds. I mean unless you dont give him credit for all the body shots he landed, of course you would think the fight was closer or draw. And it wasn't like the rounds were super closed. Mayweather was doing a lot of holding an grabbing, but he wasnt landing enough punches. Castillo out landed him in those rounds by a lot. The referee took a point away from Castillo in round 8 for a low blow, but he won that round clearly. Then he took a point away from Floyd for usin his elbow in round 10, another round that Castillo won. So the point deductions didn't affect either fighter. In the end i thought Castillo won by 4 points and thats pretty clear to me. Like i said, i thought Maidana won the first fight 7-5. But if you think the fight was a draw, ok. Its not that far fetched that people diagree in close fights. Just like the second Castillo fight, that fight was very close. In the second Maidana fight, I thought Maidana out landed him in 8 rounds. So imo he won that fight also. Just because he wasnt putting a ton of pressure like the first fight that doesnt mean he wasnt landing punches. The referee took a point away from him, but in the end I thought he won by 3 points. But of course the commentators and the media in general say that Floyd won by a landslide. And people are lazy, they dont care. They dont know what to judge when they are scoring a fight, so they take the word of the media and believe its the truth. I listed all the rounds that i thought Cotto, Maidana and Castillo won so if you have time to watch the fights, tell me why do you think they lost some of those rounds. We can debate no problem.

10y ago

PBP

Cut it to 2 paragraphs and I'll read and respond

10y ago

HarvardBlue

10y ago

Zaryu

10y ago

Johnwoo8686

Floyd is a manufactured boxing star, but kudos to him for doing his part by at least not getting knocked out. Floyd is and always been seen as a star as soon as he came out of the Olympics much like ODH. Somehow fights he clearly lost (Maidana 1 and Castillio 1) he won widely on the score cards. And fights that were extremely close ( Manny and Cotto) had super wide score cards. It's so obvious that either the judges are judging Floyd's performance on a curve or they're being paid off. Clearly you don't know how a fight is scored. You probably think Manny Pacquiao won the first three Marquez fights by a large margin.

10y ago

Fearless_Angel

Kill urself u bum cunt making the 10000th Floyd thread Wow I'm impressed by your toughness! My monitor is breaking, my keyboard is shaking, my mouse is trembling! All that without even throwing a punch, wow! Your words are like bullets!

10y ago

Fearless_Angel

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/didnt-read.gif You're welcome :la:.

10y ago

M_Bison

tl;dr. Cry about something else. ikr I don't even care If he is mocking that woman beating POS but I ain't gonna read that wall of text, keep your **** short and work on your conversation I don't wanna read a book.

10y ago