Top 10 Middleweights 21st Century

What are you talking about? You mad because I share my opinion, well it's a fvcking forum.. Go start a blog if you want to talk boxing by yourself How dare I say "well I think" when giving my opinion.. Only a bytch would get mad at that wtf does your opinion or anyone elses matter if you're not going to use any facts to back it up? GGG is number 2 because you think he would beat Martinez, that's the only criteria that matters? You don't think opponents and achievements matter? gtfo with that primary school bull**** of "oh well I have opinions and they matter". No they don't.

No Lara?! WTF?! "I thought, why not list who we all think are the top 10 mws of the last 15 years. So here's mine".......... I was answering SOULSURVIVERS post using 15 years as a time duration. Ray This was from last year, so 15 years would be from 2000-2015. Even if you're counting from 2001 on wards he has had 10 middleweight fights and gone 8-2, with 2 wins over HOFers and p4p entrants of his generation. Plus this makes no sense, "Well lets see he last fought at 160 over 15 years ago. He had three fights then and he lost TWO of the three!" WTF?

No Lara?! WTF?!

"I thought, why not list who we all think are the top 10 mws of the last 15 years. So here's mine".......... I was answering SOULSURVIVERS post using 15 years as a time duration. Ray

Hopkins is the OP number ONE! Well lets see he last fought at 160 over 15 years ago. He had three fights then and he lost TWO of the three! So how is he number 1!!! Jermain Taylor & Kelly Pavlik probably lead the way and I'd put GGG right behind them to date! Jermain only had 4 bouts at 160 in the past 15 yrs. Pavlik had around 10, his loss to Bernard was over 160lbs (170) None of the current men listed are any where near the Middleweight Top Ten. I know Bernard is given a high position but if you look at his wins there against weak opposition. Today's fans cry over the current champs weak opposition so Bernard shouldn't get a pass. To me he was better at 175 even though he wasn't much of a puncher. At 175 he is no where near the top twenty all time. Ray Hopkins had more fights at middleweight since 2000 Echols Allen Tito Holmes Joppy Eastman Oscar Daniels He didn't lose the belt till the summer of 05. That's 5 1/2 years as champ and over 2/3s of the time period we are discussing 2000-16

Hopkins is the OP number ONE! Well lets see he last fought at 160 over 15 years ago. He had three fights then and he lost TWO of the three! So how is he number 1!!! Jermain Taylor & Kelly Pavlik probably lead the way and I'd put GGG right behind them to date! Jermain only had 4 bouts at 160 in the past 15 yrs. Pavlik had around 10, his loss to Bernard was over 160lbs (170) None of the current men listed are any where near the Middleweight Top Ten. I know Bernard is given a high position but if you look at his wins there against weak opposition. Today's fans cry over the current champs weak opposition so Bernard shouldn't get a pass. To me he was better at 175 even though he wasn't much of a puncher. At 175 he is no where near the top twenty all time. Ray

load of bollocks as usual. I honestly think you and fakepugilist are the same guy because you always share teh same, non boxing opinions. And then when I reason on boxing knowledge you either refrain from replying or go with "well I think". Yeah, because what you think is so important. :trink26: :lame: What are you talking about? You mad because I share my opinion, well it's a fvcking forum.. Go start a blog if you want to talk boxing by yourself How dare I say "well I think" when giving my opinion.. Only a bytch would get mad at that

Dude it was a simple post off the top of my head, ggg ahead of serg... Serg has no defense, williams, cotto, murray, pavlik, even chavez and the euro guy all landed on serg when ey let their hands go.. And like I said earlier, I don't mind people having serg in front of ggg.. But winky def better than sturm load of bollocks as usual. I honestly think you and fakepugilist are the same guy because you always share teh same, non boxing opinions. And then when I reason on boxing knowledge you either refrain from replying or go with "well I think". Yeah, because what you think is so important. :trink26: :lame:

So you're entire reasoning for having GGG as the second best middleweight in a period of 16 years is because you THINK he can beat Martinez? You think?? Cmon man, put some boxing logic into it. Martinez had the better wins and was stylistically great at the weight, not to mention mostly fighting guys bigger than him (Martinez was a naturally 154 pounder for a long time). That's quite a rubbish argument tbh. In terms of Winky, don't get me wrong, that guy had skills but he doesn't have a legacy at the weight. Say what you want about Sturm but he was a legitimate top 3 guy in the division for a long time and possibly top 5 towards the end of his upper tier career. For the past 2 years or so he has decreased in value a lot but quoting a guy whos best performance at the weight is a draw is again not understanding how ranking guys works. Dude it was a simple post off the top of my head, ggg ahead of serg... Serg has no defense, williams, cotto, murray, pavlik, even chavez and the euro guy all landed on serg when ey let their hands go.. And like I said earlier, I don't mind people having serg in front of ggg.. But winky def better than sturm

Wtf about a year?? Probably never realized you qouted me.. Didn't have QOUTE notifications a year ago.. I have ggg above Serg because I think ggg would beat Martinez.. Honestly on second thought, I wouldn't mind someone having serg ahead of ggg.. He def had better wins over paul, chavez, Pavlik. I just think ggg is a better middleweight. Guys were willing to fight serg, no one is willing to fight ggg... There is a reason for that.. As for winky and sturm,,, winky was by far the better fighter.. Sturm' claim to fame is losing to de la hoya in controversial fashion.. Other than that he had no major wins,, all BS mandatories or cherry picks.. Winky beating tito and drawing with taylor trumps anything on strums resume.. I don't see how that isn't obvious to everyone So you're entire reasoning for having GGG as the second best middleweight in a period of 16 years is because you THINK he can beat Martinez? You think?? Cmon man, put some boxing logic into it. Martinez had the better wins and was stylistically great at the weight, not to mention mostly fighting guys bigger than him (Martinez was a naturally 154 pounder for a long time). That's quite a rubbish argument tbh. In terms of Winky, don't get me wrong, that guy had skills but he doesn't have a legacy at the weight. Say what you want about Sturm but he was a legitimate top 3 guy in the division for a long time and possibly top 5 towards the end of his upper tier career. For the past 2 years or so he has decreased in value a lot but quoting a guy whos best performance at the weight is a draw is again not understanding how ranking guys works.

You had a year and couldn't even come up with a response? "What has GGG done to rank above Martinez? Why is Winky above Sturm who is a long reigning champ, which I'm guessing is one of the criteria for you ranking GGG so high." Wtf about a year?? Probably never realized you qouted me.. Didn't have QOUTE notifications a year ago.. I have ggg above Serg because I think ggg would beat Martinez.. Honestly on second thought, I wouldn't mind someone having serg ahead of ggg.. He def had better wins over paul, chavez, Pavlik. I just think ggg is a better middleweight. Guys were willing to fight serg, no one is willing to fight ggg... There is a reason for that.. As for winky and sturm,,, winky was by far the better fighter.. Sturm' claim to fame is losing to de la hoya in controversial fashion.. Other than that he had no major wins,, all BS mandatories or cherry picks.. Winky beating tito and drawing with taylor trumps anything on strums resume.. I don't see how that isn't obvious to everyone

With a lot of discussion on another thread about GGG and his place in history within the middleweight division, I thought, why not list who we all think are the top 10 mws of the last 15 years. So here's mine, now this isn't the type of lists I've made in the past with breakdowns and explanations. It's quite basic for now. 1. Bernard Hopkins 2. Sergio Martinez 3. Kelly Pavlik 4. Jermain Taylor 5. Felix Sturm 6. Gennady Golovkin 7. Arthur Abraham 8. Daniel Geale 9. Tito Trinidad 10. Oscar DLH Pavlik and Taylor and Sturm and GGG are interchangeable imo. Martinez takes this on entertainment value alone.

"1. Bernard Hopkins 2. Sergio Martinez 3. Kelly Pavlik 4. Jermain Taylor 5. Felix Sturm 6. Gennady Golovkin 7. Arthur Abraham 8. Daniel Geale 9. Tito Trinidad 10. Oscar DLH" Martinez at number 2...Ithink GGG would walk through him, put him up against the ropes, wear him down and beat him easily................... ALso, what about that pirog guy who nearly killed jacobs???? A prime Mratinez had some of the best reflexes of nay middleweight, good hit damn hard himself and was very smart. It would clearly be the best opponent GGG ever faced. How's GGG going to cope with a guy constantly on the move and with a good punch output with power? Could GGG wear Martinez down and in the later rounds lay it on him? Possibly but that's to think a possibility, which should not be the basis for who is better. Martinez simply achieved more, often looked fantastic and beat the better opponents. GGG certainly has a chance of surpassing him but the middleweight division would have to magically get better. And do you seriously rank Pirog in a top 10?

"1 hopkins 2 Golovkin 3 taylor 4 serg 5 pavlik 6 abraham 7 winky 8 sturm 9 trinidad 10 quillen/Jacob winner" Abraham fought most of his career at middle. He only moved up to super to fight in the super six, never going back down to middle. SO he's technically a super==He would have been much better at middle though, SCARY POWER

"1. Bernard Hopkins 2. Sergio Martinez 3. Kelly Pavlik 4. Jermain Taylor 5. Felix Sturm 6. Gennady Golovkin 7. Arthur Abraham 8. Daniel Geale 9. Tito Trinidad 10. Oscar DLH" Martinez at number 2...Ithink GGG would walk through him, put him up against the ropes, wear him down and beat him easily................... ALso, what about that pirog guy who nearly killed jacobs????

1 hopkins 2 Golovkin 3 taylor 4 serg 5 pavlik 6 abraham 7 winky 8 sturm 9 trinidad 10 quillen/Jacob winner You had a year and couldn't even come up with a response? "What has GGG done to rank above Martinez? Why is Winky above Sturm who is a long reigning champ, which I'm guessing is one of the criteria for you ranking GGG so high."

Most of those names aren't even proven at an international level and the ones that are i.e. Canelo, haven't even fought at MW yet. So a lot of this is just theory but you may be right. As usual, I was right.

1 hopkins 2 Golovkin 3 taylor 4 serg 5 pavlik 6 abraham 7 winky 8 sturm 9 trinidad 10 quillen/Jacob winner What has GGG done to rank above Martinez? Why is Winky above Sturm who is a long reigning champ, which I'm guessing is one of the criteria for you ranking GGG so high.

Give it a year or two and 160 will look very healthy and stronger than it has been for well over a decade with Canelo, Murata, Khytrov, Magomedov, Derevyanchenko, Quigley, possibly Castano, Andrade, etc added to the ranks. Most of those names aren't even proven at an international level and the ones that are i.e. Canelo, haven't even fought at MW yet. So a lot of this is just theory but you may be right.

This list shows how pathetic MW has been. 6 fights @MW, with a record of 3-2-1. His only notable victory @MW is Tito, a guy who only had 5 bouts @MW. Give it a year or two and 160 will look very healthy and stronger than it has been for well over a decade with Canelo, Murata, Khytrov, Magomedov, Derevyanchenko, Quigley, possibly Castano, Andrade, etc added to the ranks.