Boxing in a Street/Bar Fight: Useful, or not?

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WELL I'll say this, you should have seen a boxers face I FOUGHT LAST month at a bar when I pulled out my nunchucks. http://replygif.net/i/265.gif

WELL I'll say this, you should have seen a boxers face I FOUGHT LAST month at a bar when I pulled out my nunchucks.

I'd say Grappling and striking are the most useful. If you can tie a guy up and land elbows standing

People throw hammer fists and seem to be effective. I've noticed if you can get away from the first punch in a bar/street fight there are usually great opportunities to counter. Depends on how drunk all involved are. I think having a long reach with a power right hand to land first is probably most useful, or a power left after the jab. FIghts are always going to be short and impulse oriented, so being able to fight round by round is almost useless.

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Ya, well I agree with everything you say but about the sparring. In my gym we do light sparring all the time, you don't go 100% to not hurt the guy if he's less experienced or lower weight, or maybe a few of us not so experienced guys get thrown in to give rounds to a more seasoned pro, we are told to do different things, pressure him different ways, for 3 rounds each or so, and he is told to only jab back, or limit his output etc. Then there is hard sparring, shortly before a fight, or just when you want that work, and then there's gym wars, going all out for pride in the gym. I'm not at the highest level so I can't speak for people at the top but I have been around plenty pros in my gym and none of them go 100% in sparring every time especially against weaker and/or less experienced guys who might get seriously hurt. That's not to say it's not effective sparring or less dangerous, I have been hurt more often in sparring than in the amateurs honestly, though that's also because I fool around a lot when I spar guys I can outbox. Yeah, I should've qualified my statement, and said if you're both around the same level. Youre usually not supposed to go all out agaisnt newer members. And what I should have said is, when preparing for a fight, but my coach promoted going hard all the time to simulate fight, so when the fight comes, it's second nature. Also, you fight in an actual fight the way you soar. If you go light too often, or most of the time, touching gloves, and saying, oh my bad, you alright, you're gonna fight that way. I've learned that in basketball as well. If you Just lightly shoot around, and dribble around, just going light to medium, you're gonna take that to an a real game, and your opponent's gonna have the advantage. Literally only time we've ever gone light in sparring was my first week. After that, up to you and your partner, and no one was gonna get in your guys way, and tell you to relax. In fact, most of the time when you go hard, your coaches cheer you on, and so do gym members. I wouldn't necessarily say gym wars, but full speed is what I'm trying to say. If you're practicing new stuff, you wanna practice it hard, and fast. Unless you're practicing defneiave drills, and really brand new techniques, you might wanna go a little slower. I've always heard from coaches in the gym, when 2 guys are going hard, or of a guys going hard in sparring, yeah, you're gonna go somewhere, or, yeah, you're gonna make, or even, you got what it takes, kid. Something along those lines. Basically, going hard and full speed in sparring is actually encouraged. And whenever I've seen 2 adequate guys going slow and soft, ive always heard, cmon you're wasting both of your guys time, or, youre not helping each other by going soft.

many mma fans who disagree and think it's essentially worthless. What say you? That type of sentiment usually comes from wrestlers or grapplers. But I agree that boxing skill is useful in a street fight or bar fight.

Very true. No matter how well you think you can execute something, it's a whole new ball game when you spar a live body. I remember the gym I first joined for official boxing training, I was eager to spar with one of the more experienced guys right away, and he took it easy on me, but I could totally tell he had way more experience than me, knew how to breather properly, knew how to catch my punches, block, use barely any movement to evade my punches, and everything. I never really learned anything substantial until I started sparring more and more. And when you spar, you QUICKLY figure out what works for you, and what doesn't, and also to work on your strengths, and work on your weaknesses. My coach told me to emulate, and study the guys I felt comfortable fighting like in actual sparring, and took that with me ever since. Never really got into official sanctioned, and ranked matches, just because I was working, and didn't have time to, and didn't have the real dedication to actually become a fighter, but sparred many many times in my life, and it really does teach you way more than any drill, or whatever. Most important thing I've ever learned was to always be in postilion on offense and defense, basically always be in the right positioning to throw your punches, and to not be off balance when in defense mode, and how to properly breathe when getting punched, so you don't gas out terribly when getting punched in an actual match. People really don't understand how much stamina you lose, and how tired you get just from getting punched a few times, let alone an entire 4-12 round fight, or sparring session. Truly humbling experience. The craziest part is, you can punch a million times harder and faster, and can move like a gazelle, but if you don't have any experience, or really know how to box, you're gonna get your ass beat, every single time. And the most important thing my coach has taught me is, you're gonna fight how you spar, and train. At the highest level, there's no such thing as sparring lightly, and taking it easy, when you get to the top of the top spot. That's how I can tell posters that have never actually trained before, saying how you gotta take it light in sparring. Wrong. The elite guys literally go in there to knock their opponents out, and they expect the same from their opponent. It's only when drilling certain things when you take it lightly. You're never going to meet a champion that takes it lightly in sparring. That goes for MMA as well. Only time I've taken it light in sparring was my first week, and that was at the mercy of my main training and sparring partner. Really nice military guy that wanted me to get comfortable in there, and to learn before going off on me. Also, a huge reason for that was, most kids that joined quit after like the first few days lol. Ya, well I agree with everything you say but about the sparring. In my gym we do light sparring all the time, you don't go 100% to not hurt the guy if he's less experienced or lower weight, or maybe a few of us not so experienced guys get thrown in to give rounds to a more seasoned pro, we are told to do different things, pressure him different ways, for 3 rounds each or so, and he is told to only jab back, or limit his output etc. Then there is hard sparring, shortly before a fight, or just when you want that work, and then there's gym wars, going all out for pride in the gym. I'm not at the highest level so I can't speak for people at the top but I have been around plenty pros in my gym and none of them go 100% in sparring every time especially against weaker and/or less experienced guys who might get seriously hurt. That's not to say it's not effective sparring or less dangerous, I have been hurt more often in sparring than in the amateurs honestly, though that's also because I fool around a lot when I spar guys I can outbox.

I'm kinda the same way just naturally, but that's also easier because I learned the fundamentals the right way from my first trainer, then did some refining on my own studying film and working on things I wanted to learn, then I started working under another trainer who elevated my game and I was exposed to much more diverse and high level sparring opponents and since then I've always studied film of certain fighters to learn things from them so these days I can do that pretty easily, but still you need to really drill certain punches and combinations if you want them to be second nature in real combat. It's easy to throw a sequence on a bag or in sparring but to really trust your muscle memory when your in real trouble you need to work on drills as the repetition is what matters, form and repetition. Very true. No matter how well you think you can execute something, it's a whole new ball game when you spar a live body. I remember the gym I first joined for official boxing training, I was eager to spar with one of the more experienced guys right away, and he took it easy on me, but I could totally tell he had way more experience than me, knew how to breather properly, knew how to catch my punches, block, use barely any movement to evade my punches, and everything. I never really learned anything substantial until I started sparring more and more. And when you spar, you QUICKLY figure out what works for you, and what doesn't, and also to work on your strengths, and work on your weaknesses. My coach told me to emulate, and study the guys I felt comfortable fighting like in actual sparring, and took that with me ever since. Never really got into official sanctioned, and ranked matches, just because I was working, and didn't have time to, and didn't have the real dedication to actually become a fighter, but sparred many many times in my life, and it really does teach you way more than any drill, or whatever. Most important thing I've ever learned was to always be in postilion on offense and defense, basically always be in the right positioning to throw your punches, and to not be off balance when in defense mode, and how to properly breathe when getting punched, so you don't gas out terribly when getting punched in an actual match. People really don't understand how much stamina you lose, and how tired you get just from getting punched a few times, let alone an entire 4-12 round fight, or sparring session. Truly humbling experience. The craziest part is, you can punch a million times harder and faster, and can move like a gazelle, but if you don't have any experience, or really know how to box, you're gonna get your ass beat, every single time. And the most important thing my coach has taught me is, you're gonna fight how you spar, and train. At the highest level, there's no such thing as sparring lightly, and taking it easy, when you get to the top of the top spot. That's how I can tell posters that have never actually trained before, saying how you gotta take it light in sparring. Wrong. The elite guys literally go in there to knock their opponents out, and they expect the same from their opponent. It's only when drilling certain things when you take it lightly. You're never going to meet a champion that takes it lightly in sparring. That goes for MMA as well. Only time I've taken it light in sparring was my first week, and that was at the mercy of my main training and sparring partner. Really nice military guy that wanted me to get comfortable in there, and to learn before going off on me. Also, a huge reason for that was, most kids that joined quit after like the first few days lol.

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I learned boxing from watching old sugar ray Leonard fights as a kid lol. I seriously was just born a natural puncher. I remember the first time I ever stepped in a gym, the coach asked me if I took boxing before, and that I was lying about it, **** u not. Some people were just born punchers, I guess. Jon Jones, UFC champ says he learned a lot of his moves from Youtube, and just picked them up real quick. I swear, I'm the same way. I can literally watch a technique in a fight, or on Youtube, and do it within a few tries. I promise I'm not even exaggerating, or bragging, I guess that's my physical gift. I was even the same way with basketball, and being able to pick up dribbling moves quickly after watching it once, or a few times. I'm kinda the same way just naturally, but that's also easier because I learned the fundamentals the right way from my first trainer, then did some refining on my own studying film and working on things I wanted to learn, then I started working under another trainer who elevated my game and I was exposed to much more diverse and high level sparring opponents and since then I've always studied film of certain fighters to learn things from them so these days I can do that pretty easily, but still you need to really drill certain punches and combinations if you want them to be second nature in real combat. It's easy to throw a sequence on a bag or in sparring but to really trust your muscle memory when your in real trouble you need to work on drills as the repetition is what matters, form and repetition.

:lol1: It's funny but I trip on the fact that there are strong, athletic guys out there who can't throw hands or take a punch etc. If you live and breathe boxing it's easy to forget how little we once knew about fighting before we got into it ourselves. Tons of guys out there fit as can be wouldn't last a round with a guy like Paulie. I learned boxing from watching old sugar ray Leonard fights as a kid lol. I seriously was just born a natural puncher. I remember the first time I ever stepped in a gym, the coach asked me if I took boxing before, and that I was lying about it, **** u not. Some people were just born punchers, I guess. Jon Jones, UFC champ says he learned a lot of his moves from Youtube, and just picked them up real quick. I swear, I'm the same way. I can literally watch a technique in a fight, or on Youtube, and do it within a few tries. I promise I'm not even exaggerating, or bragging, I guess that's my physical gift. I was even the same way with basketball, and being able to pick up dribbling moves quickly after watching it once, or a few times.

I try not to, I like my friends lol. :lol1: It's funny but I trip on the fact that there are strong, athletic guys out there who can't throw hands or take a punch etc. If you live and breathe boxing it's easy to forget how little we once knew about fighting before we got into it ourselves. Tons of guys out there fit as can be wouldn't last a round with a guy like Paulie.

Have you ever imagined one of your buddies who doesn't box in a toe to toe slugfest against a real killer in the ring? :lol1: Like when you see those first timers sparring, all awkward and uncoordinated or they gas in like one minute. Kinda funny when you think about it. Like bro I love how you can cross me up on the court but spar me a round bro. I try not to, I like my friends lol.

Seriously, dude, you just think to yourself, it's so freaking easy, just turn your wrists, pivot with your legs and hips, and just punch, but some people just cannot throw a proper punch worth a lick. And a grown man that can't drive properly, or has to have both hands on the wheel to feel comfortable is just an inadequate man to me. I can tolerate not being able to throw a punch, but if you can't drive, I honestly can't respect you as a man. Have you ever imagined one of your buddies who doesn't box in a toe to toe slugfest against a real killer in the ring? :lol1: Like when you see those first timers sparring, all awkward and uncoordinated or they gas in like one minute. Kinda funny when you think about it. Like bro I love how you can cross me up on the court but spar me a round bro.

:lol1: I know the feeling. It's second nature to us because we practice boxing/fighting and love the sport, but dudes who aren't really involved with stuff like that - it's like "please dude...I love you and all, but please don't ever do chit like that around me again". :lol1: I compare it to driving. Driving is a skill, and when I see grown adults driving like chit, i'm like really? You've been doing this how long now and you can't hit your turn signal or stay in the lane? GTFOH. Seriously, dude, you just think to yourself, it's so freaking easy, just turn your wrists, pivot with your legs and hips, and just punch, but some people just cannot throw a proper punch worth a lick. And a grown man that can't drive properly, or has to have both hands on the wheel to feel comfortable is just an inadequate man to me. I can tolerate not being able to throw a punch, but if you can't drive, I honestly can't respect you as a man.

IKR. The most cringe worthy thing is seeing one of your buddies that you've known for years, throwing a punch, whether just messing around, or in a real fight, and they literally don't know how to throw a punch, use their hips, rotate their wrists, etc. It's like nothing to guys that just know how to punch, fight, whatever, but when you see a grown man punch and fight like a complete noob, you just stand there like, how??? Why??? :lol1: I know the feeling. It's second nature to us because we practice boxing/fighting and love the sport, but dudes who aren't really involved with stuff like that - it's like "please dude...I love you and all, but please don't ever do chit like that around me again". :lol1: I compare it to driving. Driving is a skill, and when I see grown adults driving like chit, i'm like really? You've been doing this how long now and you can't hit your turn signal or stay in the lane? GTFOH.

Most men can't box or even know how to punch properly. So of course boxing is very useful in a street fight. You don't have to be Tyson, but just knowing basic defense and how to punch properly will give you an advantage over at least 90% of the street brawlers and bar fighters out there. IKR. The most cringe worthy thing is seeing one of your buddies that you've known for years, throwing a punch, whether just messing around, or in a real fight, and they literally don't know how to throw a punch, use their hips, rotate their wrists, etc. It's like nothing to guys that just know how to punch, fight, whatever, but when you see a grown man punch and fight like a complete noob, you just stand there like, how??? Why???

Excellent! Perfect! Thanks buddy!