Collazo & Herrera: Differences In The Cut Reaction Caused By The Al Haymon Effect?

Luis Collazo is Puerto Rican and Mauricio Herrera is Mexican. That explains everything. End thread. So is that why Cotto took the Knee ?

Herrera is a year older than Collazo, :thinking:. And Herrera has been in some tough wars against the likes of Ruslan Provodnikov, Mike Alvarado, and Johan Perez to name a few. Doesnt change the difference between where they are in their careers though does it? Herrara in line for title shot, Collazo on the verge of retirement.

I think its difficult to compare a guy like Collazo, a tough vet at the end of his career, to Herrera, who is in line to fight for a World Title soon vs either Postol or Matthysse Herrera is a year older than Collazo, :thinking:. And Herrera has been in some tough wars against the likes of Ruslan Provodnikov, Mike Alvarado, and Johan Perez to name a few.

I think what he's saying is that if Collazo didn't have any contract fight agreements to look forward to and wasn't sure what his future had in store he would've kept fighting. I know that nobody knows what his agreement is with Haymon but judging by Collazo's reaction after the fight, it isn't that bad of an assumption or theory. I mean Collazo looked and sound almost excited for what the future had for him. Who says those things and acts that way after they quit on their stool. I know it's just the TS opinion but not a bad theory. I personally feel Thurman was just hurting him bad that last round and Collazo didn't want to get stopped. He wanted to at least be able to say he hurt Thurman and only quit because of not being able to see. As for what he said in the post fight interview, who knows. The only thing any of us can give is our opinion. And since we don't know what Collazo's contract situation with Haymon is, it's pretty silly to speculate that the man quit based on some 'I-got-future-fights-with-Haymon-lined-up-so-I'm-straight' speculation. It's especially silly when two other non-Haymon fighters who were similarly outgunned in fights trending the wrong way for them appeared to make the same 'business decision' as Collazo in highly publicized fights in the past few weeks. The OP is entitled to his opinion. It's just a really, really silly opinion.

I think its difficult to compare a guy like Collazo, a tough vet at the end of his career, to Herrera, who is in line to fight for a World Title soon vs either Postol or Matthysse

Many were shocked to see Collazo retire on his stool against Thurman after what seemed like a minor cut. He's always been known as a tough, gritty fighter who would never quit. Collazo said "I couldn't see clearly out of my eye. Didn't want to take unnecessary shots especially at this point in my career." Isn't that what the doctor is there for, to determine how serious an injury is? Why was Collazo so comfortable with retiring? He just shrugged his shoulders and quit as if it was nothing. Collazo also said: "I want to fight again and I will. I'll be back!" It was like Collazo knew he'd be back in the ring regardless of the outcome. Now I strongly suspect this boils down to the contract signed with Al Haymon. We've seen such deal structures before with lots of Haymon fighters, Floyd being the obvious example:- 6 Showtime fights with $32M per fight guaranteed. Collazo must have a similar deal structure - for example 6 fights with guaranteed $500K per fight minimum purse, or some sort of variation of that. And is this why Collazo didn't feel compelled to fight on because he knew that he had future paydays already lined up. By signing contracts like these with fighters, is Haymon creating a situation where fighters don't feel the need to give it their all because they know they'll fight again and get paid either way? Does it remove a certain urgency & drive from the fighter, and actually effect how a fight will play out? We saw on the same night, Herrera received 2 cuts over both eyes. One of those cuts seemed to be far worse than Collazo's cut, much more blood was gushing out, his eyelid was hanging off his face but Herrera didn't show any real signs of quitting. When we peel back the layers of this I think Herrera was in the moment and knew that his fight with Lundy dictated his future while Collazo just wasn't motivated to continue fighting because of the contractual promise & the guarantee of future riches regardless whether he won or lost against Thurman. A difference caused by the Al Haymon effect? When you guarantee boxers fights and money, especially veterans like Collazo, they don't feel the need to give it their all anymore, they just feel like they need to make an appearance. Written by FlatLine as a Boxing Scene exclusive I see the point of the writer but a win was more beneficial to Collazo than a loss unless he is happy wallowing in mediocrity. The Herrera cut was bad, real bad. It was more like a tear and you could tell it was getting worse. It was also in the worst place you can get one, inside the eye socket close to the nose. Those cuts force the blood to run into the eye. The Collazo cut wasn't anywhere near as bad. It was located on the outside of the eye, where blood tends to run out and can be wiped away. I just think Collazo felt Thurman's power and didn't want to continue. I respect Collazo as a tough vet but he quit.

Damn, you didn't have to give the homie a vocabulary lesson lol Vocabulary lesson? Really? You've got to stop being so easily impressed, my friend.

Op is probably right. Jcc GIF was perfect timing lol

No. Thank you. Good examples here to demonstrate my point further. Both Geale and Willie Monroe Jr sustained actual knockdowns against them and were visibly in poor condition. Geale got knocked down twice, Monroe Jr 3 times. Those two are actually good examples of when fighters are justified in not wanting to continue. These situations do happen. Now Collazo didn't get knocked down a singe time, and in fact he landed the best punch of the night and nearly knocked Thurman down. He just felt that he had a slight injury, knew that he was destined to be paid if he was able to fight again, so he just jumped to a conclusion that its better to not fight and risk further injury because that would just delay his next payday. Thanks for providing two examples to further emphasize, drive home, solidify and cement my original point, infusing more certainty, veracity and validation in the excellent points I had previously espoused. The truth most certainly enjoys company, I can tell you. Damn, you didn't have to give the homie a vocabulary lesson lol

It really looked like (after hearing the post fight interview) Collazo was more excited about his next fight with Haymon than anything else. Most fighters, especially when they saw some holes in their opponent's game, would either continue or demand a rematch. Seemed he's resigned to being beat from the start.

You could say the same about Thurman and Collazo. I think what he's saying is that if Collazo didn't have any contract fight agreements to look forward to and wasn't sure what his future had in store he would've kept fighting. I know that nobody knows what his agreement is with Haymon but judging by Collazo's reaction after the fight, it isn't that bad of an assumption or theory. I mean Collazo looked and sound almost excited for what the future had for him. Who says those things and acts that way after they quit on their stool. I know it's just the TS opinion but not a bad theory. I personally feel Thurman was just hurting him bad that last round and Collazo didn't want to get stopped. He wanted to at least be able to say he hurt Thurman and only quit because of not being able to see. As for what he said in the post fight interview, who knows. The only thing any of us can give is our opinion.

GGG beat the fight out of them. You could say the same about Thurman and Collazo.

My "own criteria" was referring to an injury such as an abrasion of some sort around the face which the doctor is there to assess. The doctor can not really assess if your brains are completely scrambled from being hit. Your entire post here is basically assuming that anyone who retires from fighting is quitting for no good reason . Which is something I've never said. I never said that either. I just pointed out that your ridiculous 'theory' based on you ASSUMING Collazo quit due to Haymon paydays isn't based on anything. If you've watched boxing long enough you know that there are plenty of scenarios where a fighter could justifiably decide not to continue. This is the REASON the referee ASKS the fighter "ARE YOU OK TO CONTINUE?" immediately after getting up from a knock down which is what happened in both the examples you gave for Geale and Willie Monroe. With a fighter declaring 'I can't see' being a common cause for not continuing. You know this, right? In Collazo's case, the "referee intervention" was entirely instigated by Collazo while he was sitting on his stool in the corner, having never even been knocked down. He just saw the blood, felt a bit of pain and decided it was better to quit so that he wouldn't have to delay his next payday if the injury had worsened. And you know this based on what? Admit it, you're just pulling this out of your arse. Totally different scenario, compared to Geale and Monroe. You can try and lump all of them into the same group if you want but it would basically be idiotic in my opinion. Again, your own words: He just saw the blood, felt a bit of pain and decided it was better to quit so that he wouldn't have to delay his next payday if the injury had worsened. Geale and Monroe realized they were outgunned and made the same 'business decision' that you accuse Collazo of. Again, you're way out over your skis on this. Let it go.

Al Haymon? I know many people like to blame him for all that is bad in boxing but damn are we blaming him for Cuts and how fighters react to cuts as well? :lol1:

Luis Collazo is Puerto Rican and Mauricio Herrera is Mexican. That explains everything. End thread. Even the so called mexican't warrior jorge archole quit against a C class fighter in Rojas. Chavez quit, Chavez jr quit on his stool! lmao! Keep dreaming peasants. You guys are so great it takes 123 million of you to battle 3 million of mine so STFU!!! and GTFO!!!

People have to admit this is a very sensible observation. I never even thought about it when I was watching the fight, except the part where Collazo mentioned about continuing his career with Haymon, and that there's no need to resume the fight. It almost seemed like they're looking for opportunities to stop the fight early.

Mexican's never quit, what about Chavez? Also Chavez quit right after he signed with Haymon, so that is suspect too.

The 'Haymon Effect', eh? Great theory, Bro. Now please explain how 'the Haymon Effect' works when non Haymon fighters like Geale and Willie Monroe Jr do the EXACT SAME THING and also quit in fights on HBO just a few weeks before. Thank you in advance. GGG beat the fight out of them.

Luis Collazo is Puerto Rican and Mauricio Herrera is Mexican. That explains everything. End thread. http://www.quickmeme.com/img/37/37634324b7c140522dc1999d88a5af38c7f9207acb2b3e30931003259e006741.jpg

no al haymon effect. Some fighters just tough it out more than others & have more testicular fortitude.