What makes you the A Side?

I just gave you two names that separate the two. It really isn't that hard to figure out. Since you like lists so much, here is one that while I don't necessarily agree with in terms of placement, place Kovalev higher. http://www.tbrb.org/p4p/ Lists are just that. Lists. GGG has nothing on his resume to have him ahead of Kovalev, in my mind. Much less several spots ahead. It's not about resumes it's about who brings in more revenue. Resume is probably the last thing that is looked at

Just keen to see people's opinions on this? Seeing as GGG has acclaimed himself the A side vs Ward? . . . But has he even earned the right to do so yet? He has higher viewing numbers I think (correct me if I'm wrong) but has accomplished less. So who is the A side and what makes them that?. . . I know there's some obvious answers to this, but let's just have a discussion for the sake of it. A side is all about how many seats you fill. Ratings popularity it has nothing to do with skill. GGG is a side when it comes to Ward easy. Put him against Froch in the UK and he becomes b side. Against Cotto and Canelo he is b side. Ward is only a side against the scrubs of the world. Against kovo it's pretty even

Yeah but if that activity is against Paul Smith style bums then he doesn't deserve to be in there...boxing has moved on in the last 19 months. GGG, Kovalev, Gonzalez and co all have better claim being in the p4p. But Ward still probably gets ranked back in...which just goes to show you how ridiculous p4p rankings can be. Paul Smith (two-time world title challenger) was a better opponent than basically every fight on Golovkin's resume, and his rise up the p4p list hasn't been hampered much by the **** competition.

Ward only fell out of being p4p #2 due to inactivity; the moment that he gets active again, and continues to look like the Andre Ward that got him rated , there's no reason why he shouldn't be put back into the spot he was before being taken down by inactivity. Yeah but if that activity is against Paul Smith style bums then he doesn't deserve to be in there...boxing has moved on in the last 19 months. GGG, Kovalev, Gonzalez and co all have better claim being in the p4p. But Ward still probably gets ranked back in...which just goes to show you how ridiculous p4p rankings can be.

Estrada > Kovalev and GGG doe? Lol shrug. Can't lie though, Kovalevs a monster and I'll agree that Pascal and even old ass BHop were better victories individually than any of GGGs. Don't think they eclipse GGGs consistent brutal destruction of somewhat less solid opposition.. but we can agree to disagree. Right on. Glad we could shake penises like two adult men, and sort it out.

I just gave you two names that separate the two. It really isn't that hard to figure out. Since you like lists so much, here is one that while I don't necessarily agree with in terms of placement, place Kovalev higher. http://www.tbrb.org/p4p/ Lists are just that. Lists. GGG has nothing on his resume to have him ahead of Kovalev, in my mind. Much less several spots ahead. Estrada > Kovalev and GGG doe? Lol shrug. Can't lie though, Kovalevs a monster and I'll agree that Pascal and even old ass BHop were better victories individually than any of GGGs. Don't think they eclipse GGGs consistent brutal destruction of somewhat less solid opposition.. but we can agree to disagree.

Oh shi*. Golovkin vs Sweet Pea in an all out war. :lol1: Nah. I think both guys are top 10 worthy. I like both. I'm not a list maker, but if I was, I'd have Kovalev rated higher then GGG. All I'm saying.

Dafuq do you think the ratings come from? My bad, you're right, 20 KOs back to back and never being in a close fight with reasonable contenders count for zilch as far as "actual fights" and "in ring performance" is concerned. Glad you classified that for me. I just gave you two names that separate the two. It really isn't that hard to figure out. Since you like lists so much, here is one that while I don't necessarily agree with in terms of placement, place Kovalev higher. http://www.tbrb.org/p4p/ Lists are just that. Lists. GGG has nothing on his resume to have him ahead of Kovalev, in my mind. Much less several spots ahead.

Oh shi*. Golovkin vs Sweet Pea in an all out war.

You keep on with your lists. I'll go by actual fights made, and in ring performance. Glad we had this talk. Have a good day. Dafuq do you think the ratings come from? My bad, you're right, 20 KOs back to back and never being in a close fight with reasonable contenders count for zilch as far as "actual fights" and "in ring performance" is concerned. Glad you clarified that for me.

LMAO man this rant sounded like it could've come from someone in a tinfoil hat. "Boxrec's rating system and the boxing insiders got it all wrong. Only we on the forums really know the truth!" You keep on with your lists. I'll go by actual fights made, and in ring performance. Glad we had this talk. Have a good day.

Save the bottle, cupcake. Kovalev's wins over 80 year old Hopkins and stoppage win over Pascal take a giant shit over anything GGG has even thought of accomplishing so far. I like GGG. But you Golovhoe's are starting to tread into some ATG Stan lists on here. LMAO man this rant sounded like it could've come from someone in a tinfoil hat. "Boxrec's rating system and the boxing insiders got it all wrong. Only we on the forums really know the truth!"

Lolol :bottle: Save the bottle, cupcake. Kovalev's win over 80 year old Hopkins and stoppage win over Pascal take a giant shit over anything GGG has even thought of accomplishing so far. I like GGG. But you Golovhoe's are starting to tread into some ATG Stan lists on here.

They're wrong too. Lolol :bottle:

Yeah you're right, which is why Kovalev > GGG according to The Ring and Boxrec. Oh wait... They're wrong too.

Well if we're talking Ward v GGG for example. I'd say more people would tune in to watch GGG right now, thus making him the A-side in terms of drawing people. But Ward has done much more in the sport right now, so it's a tricky one. Depends how you look at it. As a fan we might thing of the A-side as the one who has achieved more but the guys actually cutting the deals look at it from a strictly financial/business perspective, so it's whoever gets people to put their hands in their pockets and pay their hard earned. There are few genuine A-sides in boxing though. Floyd, Manny, Canelo maybe, Klitschko i guess. The rest are just angling for more money

Probably comes down to the the guy who draws the must fan and puts bums on seats. I think many fighters get carried away these days claiming to be the A-side. In a lot of good match-ups, there isn't always an 'A side'. Pacquiao and Mayweather were 'A sides'. Now, everyone just wants to claim to be.

GGG over Kovalev? Nope. Yeah you're right, which is why Kovalev > GGG according to The Ring and Boxrec. Oh wait...

Just keen to see people's opinions on this? Seeing as GGG has acclaimed himself the A side vs Ward? . . . But has he even earned the right to do so yet? He has higher viewing numbers I think (correct me if I'm wrong) but has accomplished less. So who is the A side and what makes them that?. . . I know there's some obvious answers to this, but let's just have a discussion for the sake of it. Ward is boring, GGG is exciting. GGG is A-Side. Lol

Whomever brings the biggest pot to the table is the A-side; whether it's because your TV broadcaster backs you with money, you've got a home venue that you draw massive gates to, or sponsors/private backer believe in you enough to put dollars behind you, he who brings the money is the A-side. The Ward-Golovkin situation is complicated in that the parameter seem convoluted; Ward brings in more money at the gate (recent revelation of only bringing in $500k for the StubHub fight that they were puffing their chests out over should give pause), Golovkin has the seeming financial backing from HBO, but RocNation seems ready and willing to put more money behind Andre Ward than K2 is willing to do for Golovkin (Ward-Smith had sponsors out the wazoo for that fight). weighing things objectively, you'd end up with: -TV: HBO (starts off with backing Golovkin with $2m by default, after showing that they were willing to push that number up to $4m for the right fight, let alone the upside offered on PPV) -venue: Oracle Arena (Golovkin only did $500k at Stubhub with 9,000 in the building, and I doubt that that number was way higher than that for the 12,000 that he put into The Forum; meanwhile Ward's already did $700k+ on 10,000 seats for the Dawson fight, like did a similar number on the 9,200 seats for the Smith fight, Golovkin is starting to have a following come out for him, and Oracle Arena is big enough to put 18,000 people into the building) -promoter: Roc Nation (simply off of the extensive sponsors that they were able to bring to Ward-Smith, in addition to the connections that they have on the media side in NYC and LA, the two biggest media markets in the United States, and Ward's standing in the Bay Area, another top ten media market) w/K2 working the rest of the international deals (unsure of if it was just because Paul Smith was involved, but Andre Ward seems to have some interest in him coming from Sky Sports) split the final take 50/50, between two fighters with no clear edge in any of the criteria. K2 having the in with HBO likely means that this doesn't happen (K2 will compel a smaller gate in SoCal, less money from the UK rights fee without Sky, and fewer name sponsors for the actual fight). Another sticky situation is the Frampton-Quigg discussions, in that, logically, the fight should be on Sky Sports(Quigg) in Northern Ireland (Frampton), with Matchroom Sports shopping the fight internationally (Quigg) and Frampton taking the 55/45 split, for being a full world champion; Team Frampton (particularly Barry McGuigan) won't take that because they want the fight on their own presumptive broadcaster for less money, with more of the pot going to Frampton. As a simple rule of thumb, if one fighter bring the better TV money, the better gate money, and the better sponsorship money than the other fighter, the initial fighter is the "A-side". note: tvb.org has a list, dated September 2014, that outlines and ranks the various American media markets; apparently not able to link it here. Good post. Thank you, very informative.