Enough with crying over match making.

I watch boxing to be entertained. I want to see the best test themselves against other top fighters, if i didn't, then i couldn't see the point of being a fan of the sport. Of any sport in fact. Tuning in and seeing a good fight is what it's all about. I have never sat down to watch a fight and got all pumped thinking, 'yes, this guy is getting paid well tonight!' It would be fun if i was the said fighters accountant. But as a fan of the sport, and not a fan boy of fighters...i just want to see good fights. Too many miss-matches in a row and things get boring.

all i ask for is that every world-class boxer fights two world-class opponents per year. if they want to fight two exhibition fights on top of that, that's fine with me, although i think it's somewhat cowardly and dangerous to put guys who are miles out of their depth like rod salka in with elite operators. for example this eric molina guy could conceivably have his career ended against wilder; it's irresponsible to make such imbalanced fights

Is this Fetta? I can't think of anyone else who would be happy to see good fights not be made.

You guys are suppose to be fight fans and boxing supporters right? Well for the first time in history. The boxers/ fighters are getting their just due... They are making more money and have more control of their careers now. For far two long, promoters been building up fighters and cashing them out and throwing them away like trash. Yes boxing fans, fans of the sport - not fanboys of individual fighter's wallets. Fans of the sport want to see the best match-ups. Fanboys of boxers are happy to see them win easy fights for disproportionate amount of money. Look at all the greats of the late 80''s and early 90's. Those guys did fight everyone they did fight tooth and nail. While the promoters made top dollar. Not many of those guys had long careers or ended up set up financially. Many of them are broke and punch drunk even though they gave us so many great fights. Those guys made plenty of money, they were just too plum dumb to hold onto it.

Boxers have been getting ripped of for the tune of billions of dollars thru out history. I'm a boxing fan and historian. I like all aspect of the fight game and the business side being one of them. To be honest you guys are mere fight fans and nothing else. You don't understand that only about 20% of the fight game is actually fighting the rest is politics. Through history boxers have been force I take dives, fight with broken hands ribs concussions black balled ect. Through out history guys have been mismanaged and fcked over force to fight well past their prime bc some shady promoter ripped them off. Yea to crack a million dollars is rare but was is even more rare is boxers that were actually looked after by their promoter and manager. I'm not saying guys should take easy fights an avoid competition. I'm saying stop acting like it's a crime when they do it every so often. I wanna see all the best fights Loma rigindeaux, Canelo Cotto, khan brook, mares Santa Cruz, Danny broner and Bradley Thurman and so many others. Just bc some of you guys don't understand how business works don't be mad. Showcase fights are here and they are gonna stay so stop complaining. I'm glad fighters are getting top dollar every time they step in the ring. It hasn't always been the case and it's due well past due. All of you guys talking about good competitive fights forget about all the old champs who did just that and are know homeless on the street. But they have us good fights doe, where is all the fans now???? Exactly it's called prize fighting for a reason. You're an angry elf!

I don't mind gimme fights and soft touches - You can't reasonably expect that a fighter takes on a massive killer each time out. Take for instance Cotto and Canelo...he will fight Canelo this year and it will be a war 10-12 round war - whoever wins that fight; I believe should take a soft touch before getting in w/ GGG. Two wars back to back like that ends careers. If Canelo goes from Kirkland, Cotto, GGG in a three fight span - yeah he's a bad ass, but he'll be a brain dead washed up bad ass by 27. I like this PBC model, but I think they should clearly outline their line up. For instance: Garcia vs TBA on ESPN: A Soft gimme fight that may surprise, but should follow script. Say vs Rod Salka Garcia vs TBA on Spike: A mid-level, top 10-20 fight that is perhaps 60/40 in the A-fighter's favor. The opponent could win, but generally the cream will rise to the top; e.g. Amir Kahn vs Chris Algieri Garcia vs TBA on NBC: The creme-de-la-creme of fights; ideally a PPV esque fight, if we are trying to eliminate PPVs altogether! This is a true 50/50 fight between #1s and the 2s and 3s. Could be Champ vs #1 contender up to #3 contender depending on availability. The best fight should be here. I think clearly setting the expectation of what each channel's goal is for content is important, that way if Thurman is fighting on ESPN, every one knows that he's being set up for major fight(s) in the next grade coming up I am sorry but Salka like fights should never happen, while I agree that fighters shouldn't fight killers in every fight, they should always fight fighters within a certain level. It's supposed to be a fight and a fight isn't a fight if only one of them has a chance of winning, with Salka they chose an opponent that had zero chance of winning.

You obviously are one of those Malignaggi esque people who think being a boxer is a stable career move with a steady paycheck. Wrong. Cotto and Canelo have made millions and boxing isn't meant to be micromanaged to the extent where you have underserving guys milking every facet of the fight. Being a boxer is not a career! For the lucky few, they get what they put into it and in rare cases become a star. It is a competition and entertainment sport. For any professional boxer to get a career high pay of 1 million dollars is extremely rare. And to sit here and pledge your allegiance to the guys who have already made it, who are literally just taking advantage and milking their career in return for their f*cking spine and self respect just shows how idiotic you are about all this. Floyd Mayweather and his diva competitors are so quick to cry out wrong doing when boxer's, mainly themselves don't get their just do. But the minute the word "collective" comes into play with their over the top earnings they shut the f*ck up. Because you know and I know boxing is a chest game and those who make it, make it. Those who don't, don't. These kind of boxers you defend are millionaires and can do anything they want in life. Instead they chose to continue exploiting the idiotic casuals, otherwise betraying the paying fans to line their pockets before it's to late. Boxers have been getting ripped of for the tune of billions of dollars thru out history. I'm a boxing fan and historian. I like all aspect of the fight game and the business side being one of them. To be honest you guys are mere fight fans and nothing else. You don't understand that only about 20% of the fight game is actually fighting the rest is politics. Through history boxers have been force I take dives, fight with broken hands ribs concussions black balled ect. Through out history guys have been mismanaged and fcked over force to fight well past their prime bc some shady promoter ripped them off. Yea to crack a million dollars is rare but was is even more rare is boxers that were actually looked after by their promoter and manager. I'm not saying guys should take easy fights an avoid competition. I'm saying stop acting like it's a crime when they do it every so often. I wanna see all the best fights Loma rigindeaux, Canelo Cotto, khan brook, mares Santa Cruz, Danny broner and Bradley Thurman and so many others. Just bc some of you guys don't understand how business works don't be mad. Showcase fights are here and they are gonna stay so stop complaining. I'm glad fighters are getting top dollar every time they step in the ring. It hasn't always been the case and it's due well past due. All of you guys talking about good competitive fights forget about all the old champs who did just that and are know homeless on the street. But they have us good fights doe, where is all the fans now???? Exactly it's called prize fighting for a reason.

I don't mind gimme fights and soft touches - You can't reasonably expect that a fighter takes on a massive killer each time out. Take for instance Cotto and Canelo...he will fight Canelo this year and it will be a war 10-12 round war - whoever wins that fight; I believe should take a soft touch before getting in w/ GGG. Two wars back to back like that ends careers. If Canelo goes from Kirkland, Cotto, GGG in a three fight span - yeah he's a bad ass, but he'll be a brain dead washed up bad ass by 27. I like this PBC model, but I think they should clearly outline their line up. For instance: Garcia vs TBA on ESPN: A Soft gimme fight that may surprise, but should follow script. Say vs Rod Salka Garcia vs TBA on Spike: A mid-level, top 10-20 fight that is perhaps 60/40 in the A-fighter's favor. The opponent could win, but generally the cream will rise to the top; e.g. Amir Kahn vs Chris Algieri Garcia vs TBA on NBC: The creme-de-la-creme of fights; ideally a PPV esque fight, if we are trying to eliminate PPVs altogether! This is a true 50/50 fight between #1s and the 2s and 3s. Could be Champ vs #1 contender up to #3 contender depending on availability. The best fight should be here. I think clearly setting the expectation of what each channel's goal is for content is important, that way if Thurman is fighting on ESPN, every one knows that he's being set up for major fight(s) in the next grade coming up

So if Canelo or Cotto lose they are gonna be in the driver seat headlining a big show immediately after? I think not. They will have to work their way back to being the a side. If the fight was close then there will be a rematch where they will make millions again and possibly a trilogy after. If they lose badly then they can have a soft touch after and still be the a-side against any other boxer not named floyd or pac. And for the winner their stocks will rise. As soon as I notice someone with the "a-side" obsession then they are fans of the promoting side of boxing and not the actual fights. I would like the canelo v cotto fight to be made and personally I dont really care who the a-side is after a great fight, I just want a great fight.

You obviously are one of those Malignaggi esque people who think being a boxer is a stable career move with a steady paycheck. Wrong. Cotto and Canelo have made millions and boxing isn't meant to be micromanaged to the extent where you have underserving guys milking every facet of the fight. Being a boxer is not a career! For the lucky few, they get what they put into it and in rare cases become a star. It is a competition and entertainment sport. For any professional boxer to get a career high pay of 1 million dollars is extremely rare. And to sit here and pledge your allegiance to the guys who have already made it, who are literally just taking advantage and milking their career in return for their f*cking spine and self respect just shows how idiotic you are about all this. Floyd Mayweather and his diva competitors are so quick to cry out wrong doing when boxer's, mainly themselves don't get their just do. But the minute the word "collective" comes into play with their over the top earnings they shut the f*ck up. Because you know and I know boxing is a chest game and those who make it, make it. Those who don't, don't. These kind of boxers you defend are millionaires and can do anything they want in life. Instead they chose to continue exploiting the idiotic casuals, otherwise betraying the paying fans to line their pockets before it's to late. Great post bro! Green karma sent. :)

So if Canelo or Cotto lose they are gonna be in the driver seat headlining a big show immediately after? I think not. They will have to work their way back to being the a side. You obviously are one of those Malignaggi esque people who think being a boxer is a stable career move with a steady paycheck. Wrong. Cotto and Canelo have made millions and boxing isn't meant to be micromanaged to the extent where you have underserving guys milking every facet of the fight. Being a boxer is not a career! For the lucky few, they get what they put into it and in rare cases become a star. It is a competition and entertainment sport. For any professional boxer to get a career high pay of 1 million dollars is extremely rare. And to sit here and pledge your allegiance to the guys who have already made it, who are literally just taking advantage and milking their career in return for their f*cking spine and self respect just shows how idiotic you are about all this. Floyd Mayweather and his diva competitors are so quick to cry out wrong doing when boxer's, mainly themselves don't get their just do. But the minute the word "collective" comes into play with their over the top earnings they shut the f*ck up. Because you know and I know boxing is a chest game and those who make it, make it. Those who don't, don't. These kind of boxers you defend are millionaires and can do anything they want in life. Instead they chose to continue exploiting the idiotic casuals, otherwise betraying the paying fans to line their pockets before it's to late.

You guys are suppose to be fight fans and boxing supporters right? Well for the first time in history. The boxers/ fighters are getting their just due... They are making more money and have more control of their careers now. For far two long, promoters been building up fighters and cashing them out and throwing them away like trash. Ppl crap all of pbc. When in reality we need to embrace the new model. We are getting more boxing today and in the future. With pbc top rank golden boy HBO and showtime then ever. Boxing is getting more exposure more corporate dollars ad revenues. Which means less money spent on promoting. Which mean these guys don't have to go out there and fight to the death with top contenders every fight out and fight tooth and nail. So with that guys are gonna take some easy fights or fights for a pay check a nice size one, at that. Look at all the greats of the late 80''s and early 90's. Those guys did fight everyone they did fight tooth and nail. While the promoters made top dollar. Not many of those guys had long careers or ended up set up financially. Many of them are broke and punch drunk even though they gave us so many great fights. Every training camp is hard ever fight is just that a fight. So if these new guys want to take some gimmes and steal a few pay checks I'm all for it. That's what makes boxing great bc a gimme fight can turn into a brawl or an upset or launch the career of the next great king. You're an idiot and not a fan of true competition, don't watch boxing anymore and please refrain from posting on this website.

But in everything in life to get to an elite level you pay your dues along the way right. These got also fought for no money before. Made little to no money fighting 8 and 10 rounders and opening fights on Friday night fights. Making a lot of ppl around them more money than them. So excuse me if they wanna capitalize on their hard work they didn't get paid for every once in a while. I heart surgeon also had to do a residence before he makes big bucks right or wrong? Absolutely he did but once he became a heart surgeon he didn't say, ehh I like the money of being a heart surgeon so keep paying me that but 3 times a week instead of doing surgeries I'm going to change sheets around the hospital. These guys pay their dues the same way and are rewarded at the top with top level money. Once you get there you don't deserve top level money to do a bottom level job (in their case fighting guys way below their skill level).

You are wrong about going to the back of the line. If a good fighter loses they can bounce back and avenge their loss, this is what makes great fighters, you dont have to be undefeated to be a ppv star. So many ATGs took a loss and it didnt take away from their career, its how they came back that made them so great. So if Canelo or Cotto lose they are gonna be in the driver seat headlining a big show immediately after? I think not. They will have to work their way back to being the a side.

Call me crazy but I like competition sports to be competitive. But here's my issue aside from that. The guys you are talking about are elite fighters. They are paid big money because they have a skill that the rest of the world doesn't. If they do what everyone else can, why should they be paid like they are special? Let's say you are a heart surgeon. You have a skill that very few people in the world have, so you are paid accordingly. But if you decide to wash cars on a weekend, don't expect to be paid big money for that too. Because there are tons of people who can wash cars. You don't deserve big paychecks to fight guys that anyone can fight. You only deserve top money to fight at the top level. But in everything in life to get to an elite level you pay your dues along the way right. These got also fought for no money before. Made little to no money fighting 8 and 10 rounders and opening fights on Friday night fights. Making a lot of ppl around them more money than them. So excuse me if they wanna capitalize on their hard work they didn't get paid for every once in a while. I heart surgeon also had to do a residence before he makes big bucks right or wrong?

I get what you saying, but they will always be big fights and some one always lose and go to the back of the line. Just like with Canelo and Cotto. They both made a lil bit more money before facing each other. Bc one is gonna lose and go to the back of the line and one is gonna get a king ransom win lose or draw with GGG. Both guys insured them selves two pay days with the option of a monstrous third one. You are wrong about going to the back of the line. If a good fighter loses they can bounce back and avenge their loss, this is what makes great fighters, you dont have to be undefeated to be a ppv star. So many ATGs took a loss and it didnt take away from their career, its how they came back that made them so great.

The best fights do eventually get made, however you can milk the cow and butcher it later. Your trying to make my topic something that it's not. I'm not saying I don't like combat sports knock outs or the best fights being made. I'm saying from the other side of the coin guys are gone do what's best for them and I accept that too. Danny porter broner Madiana Lucas Thurman all know that eventually they will rise to the top or get knock off the hill completely bc sooner or later they will all have to fight. So until then they are gonna line their pockets. Bc if they get knocked off the checks stop coming in. Call me crazy but I like competition sports to be competitive. But here's my issue aside from that. The guys you are talking about are elite fighters. They are paid big money because they have a skill that the rest of the world doesn't. If they do what everyone else can, why should they be paid like they are special? Let's say you are a heart surgeon. You have a skill that very few people in the world have, so you are paid accordingly. But if you decide to wash cars on a weekend, don't expect to be paid big money for that too. Because there are tons of people who can wash cars. You don't deserve big paychecks to fight guys that anyone can fight. You only deserve top money to fight at the top level.

what?? they only get paid cause of the fans. Who the **** wants to see Garica vs Salka or Santa Cruz vs a cab driver? No one but in that case you speak with your wallet or remote. In a lot of the cases investors pay a lot of money for a whole bunch of match ups like pbc and those mismatches are provided and adjusted for. So if the staduim was empty it wouldn't have mattered. Boxing need the front runners to be front runners until the next big thing or things come along. Pac Crawford at top rank. Canelo for Oscar at golden boy. Broner garcia khan or Thurman for Mayweather. It's a lot of time and money invested. So you can't kill of the main characters the first season. You bring on special guest who be come co stars to replace the stars you kill off. That's just the business of boxing. So as much as we would want to see Thurman Danny Lucas Maidana and khan all beat up on each other every two-three months boxing isn't structured that way. So on you way to making big fights you have to give them showcase fights in the mean time.

Eh......if it dies, it dies. Another will rise to take its place.

Problem is if you pay them top dollar to fight mismatches then they will want unrealistic money to take a fight where they could possibly lose. It will become unsustainable in the the end or they might start to refuse to take big fights. Creating bad habits is not a good idea. I personally want the best fights while fighters are in their prime, just imagine what may v pac would of been in 2000, instead of what we got in the end. I get what you saying, but they will always be big fights and some one always lose and go to the back of the line. Just like with Canelo and Cotto. They both made a lil bit more money before facing each other. Bc one is gonna lose and go to the back of the line and one is gonna get a king ransom win lose or draw with GGG. Both guys insured them selves two pay days with the option of a monstrous third one.