I honestly have never seen Mayweather put on a "masterclass"

Honestly. Im going to be honest. I dont like him, hes ugly, unappealing, horrible personality, so i try and limit any exposure i give to the wife beating ego maniac. But i judge a guy on his skills, regardless of personality. For example i dont like Amir Khan, but hes one of my favourites as i think hes tremendously talented. When hes on hes on, and there no denying is incredible speed and skill. Has Floyd ever done that for me??Nah. The fights ive seen, whether live or on youtube were as follows. Castillo-We all agree he lost that one. Hatton-got the pay per view. Hatton did terribly well considering he was fighting floyd at a weight class the pundits said he should never fight at. Pus Cortez was disgraceful. however Hatton still caught Floyd a few times despite disadvantages. Not impressed yet. ODH-Draw. Crap fight where a past prime fighter was pressing all the action and floyd ducked in his usual awkward way. No one won that fight. Certainly no masterclass. Ortiz-Just when i thought the fight was exciting, floyd cheated and pot shotted his last "ko". Pathetic as the fight was quite good untill then. Canelo-Fair cop, i scored this 4 rounds victory for Floyd. This is the best ive ever seen him fight personally. Even then though he weight drained a green fighter. But fairs fair, he boxed well imo. Maidana fight 1-Draw again. I am not making this up. I Couldnt quite give it to Maidana as he tired in the second half of the fight. So a draw is fair. Pacquio fight-i watched this a week later on youtube knowing it would be crap. Again a Draw. No problem floyd getting the nod. Pacquio had one arm, but still landed the better punches. Floyd had the fight he wanted. Bit again, i was not impressed. In conclusion, the media keep telling me "genius this and genius that". I dont see it. Lets face it, if he wasnt America he would be like Rigondeux. He just doesnt dominate opponents like say Wladimir Klitschko does. Wlad for 10/11 years has literally barely lost a round, and probably KOED 80-90 percent of his opponents. I never feel wowed by floyd, i never feel appreciated that ive watched something truely great. All i see is a very good boxer aming dam sure he had every advantage for the fight and being extremely defensive whilst doing enough to make it tricky for the judges. I will not miss him when he retires...

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I quit clearly have stated that i have only seen the fights mentioned. I was honest, and only the Canelo one was a good performance in my eyes, but winning by 4 rounds against a wight drained 23 year old is not "masterful display" Look its my opinion, i am sure floyd hardly cares consider hes a multi millionaire Oh my god!

11y ago

slimshandy69

11y ago

mrpizzand_beer

I dont get what your about , the boxing lesson Floyd gave JMM was as fine a schooling of an ATG that youre ever gunna see , to do that to such a great boxer was amazing Floyd made him look like a C grader . If i let you fight my crippled neighbor that wouldn't be considered fair isn't it?

11y ago

ADP02

That's all well and good, and yes boxing can be subjective, but no matter how much you dislike a particular fighter, denying what they have actually done on more than one occasion because you didn't take the time to educate yourself is ignorance. Performances against Corrales and Gatti were masterclasses no matter how subjective you want to get. If you can't acknowledge that as a fan of the sport, you're beyond help- pretty much the OP. Again, depends on how you look at it. You give credit but how much do you give? Everything is relative. Diego was severely drained and the Gatti Floyd fought, well, do I really need to explain? Oscar fought Gatti a few years before and said it best. "If I lose to Gatti, I might as well retire." So how much credit can we give Oscar after that statement? Really?

11y ago

ADP02

ADP02 is here getting his wig pushed back.:dead: Depends how bias you are. The truth is, some Floyd fans that I responded to are using opposite theories and both believe that they are right and think that I am wrong. It is just too funny, if you care to actually read what is being said.

11y ago

ADP02

You're just as dense as he is. I'll spell it out one last time... How the **** did Mayweather bring Alvarez down to 152 knowing he had issues making 154 when he showed no signs of a struggle in any of the previous fights? If you don't have an answer, I'd suggest you STFU. Man, you have issues. Floyd's side was to drain Canelo as much as they can. They even tried to bring Canelo down to 147. Here is what Canelo and Ellerbe said. "I'll tell you the truth of what happened," Alvarez said in Spanish through translator Eric Gomez. "Why would I give up the weight? I'm at 154. I'm the 154-pound champion. "I wouldn't do that. But when the (fight) negotiations started, they wanted me to go to 147. I said that's physically impossible. I couldn't do it. Then they inched up to 150. I said I can't do it, that's impossible. Those days are over. I can't make that weight anymore, I've grown. "Then they went up to 151. And then finally, so we could make the fight, I said, 'If anything, I'll give up two pounds. I'll go up to 152. I agreed to that. Then they tried to force me to be quiet and not to mention anything that they came up with the weight of 152. And that's why ... I haven't said anything until now. Ellerbe "We just took advantage of a situation. It's no different from basketball, football or baseball," he said. "You're always going to put your opposition at a disadvantage, if you can. You break 'em down and you go in for the kill. "The kid suggested a while ago that he would be willing to come down to fight Floyd at 150. So if he put it out there ... this is business at the end of the day, and we're going to hold his feet to the fire, and his manager the same way." http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/boxing/2013/09/11/canelo-alvarez-floyd-mayweather-super-welterweight-152-pounds-catchweight/2802237/

11y ago

PACnPBFsuck

ADP02 is here getting his wig pushed back.:dead:

11y ago

PACnPBFsuck

He forgot Canelo, Guerrero, Marquez, Gatti, Bruseles and Corales. The fact that this thread went past this comment, is truly amazing.

11y ago

Marvellous1

Everyone has their own personal definition of that word. Some of that is dependent on what you like seeing more of in boxing and who you like in boxing. Personally, I don't like the fouls that are committed in fights. Not just in boxing but other sports that I like. In some sports, acceptable fouls make bad players better than they really are and bring down the quality of the good players. In turn, hurting the game. Once refs enforce the rules, it lifts the level of the game and actually shows who are the most skilled people or teams of the sport. That's all well and good, and yes boxing can be subjective, but no matter how much you dislike a particular fighter, denying what they have actually done on more than one occasion because you didn't take the time to educate yourself is ignorance. Performances against Corrales and Gatti were masterclasses no matter how subjective you want to get. If you can't acknowledge that as a fan of the sport, you're beyond help- pretty much the OP.

11y ago

b00g13man

You are in some kind of tunnel vision with that it seems. You asked a question that was precisely responded to you by ADP. All he really said was when Canelo struggled with 154 and even told you it was AFTER the Floyd fight. Still, you either pretended or ignored what he said and you said that he does not know what he was talking about. That was my point with you. That poster was not wrong. You actually said the same thing as him, as far as your question. All he did was answer your question. My point was also with the other poster who brought up an article of 2 years prior to the fight and calling people idiots for not agreeing with him that it was valid still valid 2 years later. You're just as dense as he is. I'll spell it out one last time... How the **** did Mayweather bring Alvarez down to 152 knowing he had issues making 154 when he showed no signs of a struggle in any of the previous fights? If you don't have an answer, I'd suggest you STFU.

11y ago

ADP02

11y ago

ADP02

So you give Pac as little, or as much credit for the Cotto fight as you give Floyd for the Canelo fight? Ben, you have been here a while. We are talking about Reloaded. He was totally against CWs. I can find a middle ground. I rather see a fight than no fight but as long as nobody gets a clear advantage from it.

11y ago

ADP02

I hear that. And in all honesty Mayweather proved himself a massive hypocrite for taking that catchweight. But....... you cannot take credit away from that win without taking credit from Pacquiao's win over Cotto. The same way I feel if you call it a masterclass (I think it was), the Cotto beat down gets the credit it deserves. Still this is off at a tangent from what is a massively ignorant thread and it's exposed a lot of posters that either don't know what a masterclass is or just straight refuse to acknowledge one because of who performed. That is NOT what being a boxing fan is. That is being an ignorant child. Everyone has their own personal definition of that word. Some of that is dependent on what you like seeing more of in boxing and who you like in boxing. Personally, I don't like the fouls that are committed in fights. Not just in boxing but other sports that I like. In some sports, acceptable fouls make bad players better than they really are and bring down the quality of the good players. In turn, hurting the game. Once refs enforce the rules, it lifts the level of the game and actually shows who are the most skilled people or teams of the sport.

11y ago

Lets_Get_It_On

None of the drivel you posted answers my question. He weighed in under 154 for Trout. Explain how that indicates he had issues making 154. You don't know what the poster I quoted meant, so why the **** are you getting involved in the convo? Oh, ADP02's posting history tells me that those posters are right. You are in some kind of tunnel vision with that it seems. You asked a question that was precisely responded to you by ADP. All he really said was when Canelo struggled with 154 and even told you it was AFTER the Floyd fight. Still, you either pretended or ignored what he said and you said that he does not know what he was talking about. That was my point with you. That poster was not wrong. You actually said the same thing as him, as far as your question. All he did was answer your question. My point was also with the other poster who brought up an article of 2 years prior to the fight and calling people idiots for not agreeing with him that it was valid still valid 2 years later.

11y ago

MRBOOMER

Troll thread at its best lol.

11y ago

Marvellous1

That really does not matter. Where was the other poster wrong? You even agreed with other posters concerning ADP. On what did you agree on? As for your question, there were discussions here about Canelo's struggles prior to the Floyd fight. He ballooned to around 172 against Trout and was having stamina issues. So that could have been the point or perhaps comments made prior to the fight being signed by Canelo and his team. There was a lot of talk coming from them that they can't do a CW without having issues making weight but only that poster can tell you what they meant by that statement. As for the 152 CW and this may also answer your question, you should be listening to Floyd's own words. "CWs are used to drain your opponent". If you take someone's word then you need to take Floyd's. I hear that. And in all honesty Mayweather proved himself a massive hypocrite for taking that catchweight. But....... you cannot take credit away from that win without taking credit from Pacquiao's win over Cotto. The same way I feel if you call it a masterclass (I think it was), the Cotto beat down gets the credit it deserves. Still this is off at a tangent from what is a massively ignorant thread and it's exposed a lot of posters that either don't know what a masterclass is or just straight refuse to acknowledge one because of who performed. That is NOT what being a boxing fan is. That is being an ignorant child.

11y ago

ThePunchingBag

The real response to this thread. Floyd is so good, he makes it look easy. It's not about the skills. His tactics are so high-level that what he does looks simple to the layman. Like watching Bob Ross paint.

11y ago

ThePunchingBag

What is this thread about? An opinion?

11y ago

b00g13man

That really does not matter. Where was the other poster wrong? You even agreed with other posters concerning ADP. On what did you agree on? As for your question, there were discussions here about Canelo's struggles prior to the Floyd fight. He ballooned to around 172 against Trout and was having stamina issues. So that could have been the point or perhaps comments made prior to the fight being signed by Canelo and his team. There was a lot of talk coming from them that they can't do a CW without having issues making weight but only that poster can tell you what they meant by that statement. As for the 152 CW and this may also answer your question, you should be listening to Floyd's own words. "CWs are used to drain your opponent". If you take someone's word then you need to take Floyd's. None of the drivel you posted answers my question. He weighed in under 154 for Trout. Explain how that indicates he had issues making 154. You don't know what the poster I quoted meant, so why the **** are you getting involved in the convo? Oh, ADP02's posting history tells me that those posters are right.

11y ago

Lets_Get_It_On

Read the origin of the conversation before you get involved next time... Explain to me how He brought Alvarez down to 152 knowing he had issues making 154. I'll wait. That really does not matter. Where was the other poster wrong? You even agreed with other posters concerning ADP. On what did you agree on? As for your question, there were discussions here about Canelo's struggles prior to the Floyd fight. He ballooned to around 172 against Trout and was having stamina issues. So that could have been the point or perhaps comments made prior to the fight being signed by Canelo and his team. There was a lot of talk coming from them that they can't do a CW without having issues making weight but only that poster can tell you what they meant by that statement. As for the 152 CW and this may also answer your question, you should be listening to Floyd's own words. "CWs are used to drain your opponent". If you take someone's word then you need to take Floyd's.

11y ago