Let me just say, I appreciate Roman Gonzalez tenacity and his fighting style. He reminds me of the fighters of the older generations where they showed great skill but also employed the attitude to constantly find a way to end their opponent in dramatic fashion. His recent fight on the undercard of Gennady Golovkin against Edgar Sosa was a great display of skill, power and action against a former champion. To show the ability to get him out of there in 2 rounds was spectacular and noteworthy.
However, he is not what the powers that be is trying to tell the public and boxing ignorant. His style is casual friendly but the guy is being hyped up more than he deserve to be at this point. Basically putting this guy at P4P #2 is absolutely wrong and premature. People lets not forget what happened last time. You guys are creating another #48(Pacquiao) situation where American viewers are told this guy is the most exciting fighter to watch and also has top notch skill much above their competition. He's not meant to be there just yet.. not just yet.
There should be protest about this guy's place on the P4P list, as he has legitimately been outboxed , outskilled and beaten before soundly. We do not need another premature hyped fighter where he is not what the narrative said about him matches up with his overall career. He is not an undefeated fighter in this sport, he has been gifted. The Mexican Juan Francisco Estrada should be P4P #2 if we all feel Roman Gonzalez should have that position. He legitimately beaten and outclassed Gonzalez in their showdown.
Yes, just like the narrative between #48 and the Great Professor Juan Manuel Marquez, one fighter has rightfully won but been thrown into the abyss of shadows after being robbed to promote the fighter the powers that be wants to bring to American audience forefront and collect their dollars. Talk of a rematch forgotten and years go by. Juan Francisco Estrado continues to outbox and stop his opponents in beautiful technical fashion but gets no coverage or promotion to build his fanbase. Roman Gonzalez however gets to take on less opponents for more exposure and fed to the global community for bigger pay checks, hoping to drown out any talk of a rematch.
He's not undefeated, and definitely not P4P #2. Watch the fight for yourself and you will see how beautiful Juan Estrado neutralize and outboxed Gonzalez.
One last point. A more secure and correct P4P list that has Gonzalez on it should look like this.
1) Floyd Mayweather
2) Guillermo Rigondeaux
3) Wladimir Klitschko
4) Terrence Crawford
5) Juan Estrada Francisco
6) Timothy Bradley
7) Juan Manuel Marquez
8) Roman Gonzalez
9) Sergey Kovalev
10) Carl Froch
...
...
...
48) Manny Pacquiao
Lets be clear folks, and not make the same mistake so soon.
1.roman
2. Juan
3.roman
4.juan
Even though juan was busy and did some great work in those rounds he was staggered in 1 and 3. When roman turned it on he bullied juan.
5-8 roman. Juan's work rate dropped in those rounds and roman did as he pleased and landed the harder shots.
9. Juan
10. Juan
Great work while roman didnt land anything of consequence.
11. Roman
12.roman
Similar to the split in the first four rounds, juan did great work but again gets hurt. The fights theme was the beauty of estradas boxing and the violence of roman.
116-112 is my latest scorecard but I can see 115-113 too.
You didn't mention the many more times Roman was rocked in Rd. 8, Rd. 7 and Rd. 6. Roman was also rocked in Rd. 11 and Juan was throwing beautiful beautiful combinations in all those rounds. Gonzalez pretty much kept his guard up and somehow Juan still permeated it by throwing one combination to open his guard to land 4 punches in succession.
Still not one Gonzalez fan has provided evidence as to why Gonzalez won or posted their scorecard I see, :thinking:.
Gonzalez fan: *Looks up Gonzalez vs. Estrada on boxrec and sees scores of 116-112 x2 and 118-110 for Gonzalez*
Gonzalez fan: Gonzalez won clearly. No need for a rematch.
1.roman
2. Juan
3.roman
4.juan
Even though juan was busy and did some great work in those rounds he was staggered in 1 and 3. When roman turned it on he bullied juan.
5-8 roman. Juan's work rate dropped in those rounds and roman did as he pleased and landed the harder shots.
9. Juan
10. Juan
Great work while roman didnt land anything of consequence.
11. Roman
12.roman
Similar to the split in the first four rounds, juan did great work but again gets hurt. The fights theme was the beauty of estradas boxing and the violence of roman.
116-112 is my latest scorecard but I can see 115-113 too.
Still not one Gonzalez fan has provided evidence as to why Gonzalez won or posted their scorecard I see, :thinking:.
Gonzalez fan: *Looks up Gonzalez vs. Estrada on boxrec and sees scores of 116-112 x2 and 118-110 for Gonzalez*
Gonzalez fan: Gonzalez won clearly. No need for a rematch.
That's exactly what makes me hate popular opinion, people around here have the tendency to fall into group think. I doubt any of them actually watch the fight to it's conclusion. It's no way... they say it's a close fight because Fat Dan and other boxing writers that's **** riding Gonzalez right now is claiming it was a close fight.
The thing is Estrada won that fight and wasn't close. Gonzalez was getting beat up and out fought as well as outboxed. It was amazing and beautiful work by El Gallo.
This reminds me of how people were **** riding Pacquaio out of nowhere and just propped him on top of the p4p list without much merit of why. They ignore the actual details and just did it because everyone else were ****riding.
Basically all 22 that voted that Gonzalez is more skilled than Rigondeaux on this poll are beta and dksab. None of these guys posted a scorecard or gave a detailed argument as why he beat El Gallo. He won by high arm robbery that's why.
There's no point in debating with a retard like yourself who thinks estrada won 10-2 and who doesn't know the difference between "has," and "have."
"What do estrada has to do to get respect?"-brickyardigan.
FOH.
He won 10-2 in a schooling of Gonzalez. I provided reasons and you done nothing but provided absolute crap and gurling.
God you're a moisturized cunt. Just sweet in the butt, all you do is girl and girl. Its definitely a difficult task for you to even contribute standard knowledge of boxing in any of your post.
You believe Gonzalez won and deserve the #2 p4p spot then provide actual arguments for your position, instead of playing a nagging ass *****.
There's no point in debating with a retard like yourself who thinks estrada won 10-2 and who doesn't know the difference between "has," and "have."
"What do estrada has to do to get respect?"-brickyardigan.
FOH.
**** you're stupid. Stop posting man, it's embarrassing.
God you're a moisturized cunt. Just sweet in the butt, all you do is girl and girl. Its definitely a difficult task for you to even contribute standard knowledge of boxing in any of your post.
You believe Gonzalez won and deserve the #2 p4p spot then provide actual arguments for your position, instead of playing a nagging ass *****.
Pacquaio wasn't really known until 2008 when he destroyed David Diaz and then beat a drained De La Hoya. That's besides the point however as I am not talking about popularity but skill through and through. Pacquaio was able to get by mostly based on his popularity more so than the skill he possessed. People really believe he beat Marquez without ever seeing their fight. They just have it to him because Marquez wasn't mentioned or being touted as a PPV star. They basically was putting all focus on Pacquaio and building him up as some dominant force that outclassed anyone big or small he comes across with his will and explosive skill.
Only a few boxing knowledgeable fans knew Pacquaio wasn't what he was being portrayed to be, especially when the sprouted up to #1 p4p. It was incorrect as he still had Marquez problems and avoid rematches, so he can continue to appear dominant. Just like the notion of everyone believe this guy Gonzalez deserve the number 2 spot. Gonzalez was out boxed and out fought against Estrada, and everyone ignores it and give him the win. They say it was a close fight but Gonzalez pulled it off but anyone with a boxing brain watching that fight will see it was not a close fight at all with Estrada winning 9 or 10 rounds.
Gonzalez isn't number 2 p4p is all I'm saying, he's not.
Crawford didn't get out boxed by Gamboa who kept his hands down and leaned on his speed to save him. Crawford have a lot of tools .
More tools than Gonzalez have shown, who can be pacified by simply being out boxed.
He won 9 rounds CLEAR as day but I gave him 10 all together for a 10-2 victory. Can you read?
**** you're stupid. Stop posting man, it's embarrassing.
While there's a point to be made, the OP does a poor job making his argument and basically disproves himself. Comparing it to the public being oversold on Pacquiao?? WTF? Pac was amazing back in the day and helped keep boxing alive for a decade so leave the ignorant bias out of it as it doesn't help the argument. The more relevant point would be to make a Rigo comparison in that we don't have a good barometer for Roman because of the competition in his division. But, seeing that he thinks Rigo is #2 basically explains why his argument has no legs/is hypocritical.
Pacquaio wasn't really known until 2008 when he destroyed David Diaz and then beat a drained De La Hoya. That's besides the point however as I am not talking about popularity but skill through and through. Pacquaio was able to get by mostly based on his popularity more so than the skill he possessed. People really believe he beat Marquez without ever seeing their fight. They just have it to him because Marquez wasn't mentioned or being touted as a PPV star. They basically was putting all focus on Pacquaio and building him up as some dominant force that outclassed anyone big or small he comes across with his will and explosive skill.
Only a few boxing knowledgeable fans knew Pacquaio wasn't what he was being portrayed to be, especially when the sprouted up to #1 p4p. It was incorrect as he still had Marquez problems and avoid rematches, so he can continue to appear dominant. Just like the notion of everyone believe this guy Gonzalez deserve the number 2 spot. Gonzalez was out boxed and out fought against Estrada, and everyone ignores it and give him the win. They say it was a close fight but Gonzalez pulled it off but anyone with a boxing brain watching that fight will see it was not a close fight at all with Estrada winning 9 or 10 rounds.
Notice how he didn't reply to my post about Crawford being #4 on his list, because he got outboxed by Gamboa.
How is Gonzalez not AT LEAST top 5? He's a three weight champion, with a very good resume.
Gonzalez isn't number 2 p4p is all I'm saying, he's not.
Crawford didn't get out boxed by Gamboa who kept his hands down and leaned on his speed to save him. Crawford have a lot of tools .
More tools than Gonzalez have shown, who can be pacified by simply being out boxed.
So did he win 9-3 or 10-2 retard? Can you count?
He won 9 rounds CLEAR as day but I gave him 10 all together for a 10-2 victory. Can you read?
You big dummy you have no choice but to give Estrada the 12th. YOU are the worst poster on this board. Always have something to say but ain't saying anything. People shouldn't read your post, because it will just make them more stupid. 1-4 clearly goes to Estrada, as well as 9-12. You are even being extremely nice to give Gonzalez round 7.
You are soooo moist.
So did he win 9-3 or 10-2 retard? Can you count?
Notice how he didn't reply to my post about Crawford being #4 on his list, because he got outboxed by Gamboa.
How is Gonzalez not AT LEAST top 5? He's a three weight champion, with a very good resume.
I would have voted no if you didn't put that sentence afterwards. He beat Estrada but it was close.
Gonzalez should not be number 2 P4P
1. Mayweather
2. Ward
3. Klitschko
4. Rigondeaux
5. Golovkin
6. Kovalev
7. Gonzalez
8. Froch
9. Canelo
10. Uchiyama
I literally just watched the fight this weekend. I didn't score it but thought it was a genuinely tough competitive high level bout. **** it I'll watch it again and score it round by round.
Mos def, I'm about to do the same :)
I literally just watched the fight this weekend. I didn't score it but thought it was a genuinely tough competitive high level bout. **** it I'll watch it again and score it round by round.
Roman isn't 2. However, he IS top 5. Pretty solid resume with sublime skill. He is genuinely the goods. Just needs to face more solid foes and rematch Estrada.
While there's a point to be made, the OP does a poor job making his argument and basically disproves himself. Comparing it to the public being oversold on Pacquiao?? WTF? Pac was amazing back in the day and helped keep boxing alive for a decade so leave the ignorant bias out of it as it doesn't help the argument. The more relevant point would be to make a Rigo comparison in that we don't have a good barometer for Roman because of the competition in his division. But, seeing that he thinks Rigo is #2 basically explains why his argument has no legs/is hypocritical.